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I was just wondering if someone could recommend cdr's ideal for burning music on, i did use Packard Bell CD-R Vinyl which are surpose to be ideal for music, but i was just wondering if anyone could recommend other types of cdr that are purposely for burning music on??

Cheers

Steve

'Pc line' at Pc world
80 min, come in packs of ten or on a spindle by the hundred.

Most reliable and compatible discs ive ever used (beat the top brands too by a long way, i had no ened of problems with discs not being read when i used memorex or packard bell)
No branding on the top surface either
And the best bit?
Cheap as chips (something daft like 10 for 2.50)

All brands have worked exactly the same way for me. Haven't noticed any differences yet.

Verbatim.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Verbatim.

Thats my choice 2
+ cds produced by Taiyo Yuden <--these are the best IMO

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Verbatim.

yeah there good used to use them alot ive got infiniti at the moment

Verbatims work best for me.

The OLD Memorex discs (I am talking 2000-2001) were so nice though, I have ones that I burned back in 2000 that are scratched to hell, and still play perfectly. It's really unbelievable.

I've been using ProMedia cd-r's lately. They had them at GC on sale a coulple months back for $5 for a 50pk. The cds have a nice Azo dye that works really well in all of my cd players. But Verbaitum and Taiyo Yuden are still my favorite.

buy the cheapest cdr's you can find. there is no difference between the more expensive and the cheapest. Those CD's that are labeled for music is nothing but hype, and they are more expensive because the company pays a fee to advertise them that way.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY buy the cheapest cdr's you can find. there is no difference between the more expensive and the cheapest. Those CD's that are labeled for music is nothing but hype, and they are more expensive because the company pays a fee to advertise them that way.

This is not true.

First of all alot of the cheaper cds that ive burned will stop working withing a year or two, the more expensive ones (verbatim) do not.

Second, some of the cheaper cds are actually thinner, and my slot in cd player will have trouble taking them, due to the rollers not being able to make proper contact with the cd.

Third, i have a dns3000, which is known for being picky with cds once in a while. If i get cheap cds, about 1 in 8 of them will not be read properly, but ive never EVER had a problem with it reading verbatims (ive used hundreds of them.)

see something like this. http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardwar...d_quality.shtml

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Originally posted by beats and beeps This is not true. First of all alot of the cheaper cds that ive burned will stop working withing a year or two, the more expensive ones (verbatim) do not. Second, some of the cheaper cds are actually thinner, and my slot in cd player will have trouble taking them, due to the rollers not being able to make proper contact with the cd. Third, i have a dns3000, which is known for being picky with cds once in a while. If i get cheap cds, about 1 in 8 of them will not be read properly, but ive never EVER had a problem with it reading verbatims (ive used hundreds of them.) see something like this. http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardwar...d_quality.shtml

That mainly deals with compatibility issues, cdr's have to be made to a standard. Some people buy shitty burners and blame it on the cdrs. One should always burn at 1x, and 99% of the time, never have compatibility issues. I have talked to tech people in the biz, and they all say the same thing...buy the cheapest ones, and buy the best burner you can get and always burn as slow as possible, 1x being optimium. This topic has also been brought up on Tech TV, and they say the same thing.

That still doesnt explain why cheaper cds are thinner. And i know that cheaper ones (non orange or red book standards)are simply not the same quality.

Id say that the cheapest cd you can find that meets the orange book II standards is a safe bet.

All cds are not created equally. http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/7751

"We came across CD-Rs that should never have been released to the market. It's completely unacceptable that CD-Rs become unusable in less than two years."

There are poor quality cds out there, thats why getting the cheapest you can find is not always a good idea.

Im not sure thought, i mean all of the stuff i've read could be complete bullshit, so if you can give me a link that states that all cds are made to one standard my view would be completly changed.

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Originally posted by beats and beeps This is not true. First of all alot of the cheaper cds that ive burned will stop working withing a year or two, the more expensive ones (verbatim) do not. Second, some of the cheaper cds are actually thinner, and my slot in cd player will have trouble taking them, due to the rollers not being able to make proper contact with the cd. Third, i have a dns3000, which is known for being picky with cds once in a while. If i get cheap cds, about 1 in 8 of them will not be read properly, but ive never EVER had a problem with it reading verbatims (ive used hundreds of them.) see something like this. http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardwar...d_quality.shtml

I love my verbatims, and I have to agree with you here about CDR quality. Sure, in an ideal world, all CDR's would be the same quality, but they are not. Also, some colors happen to work on more CD players than others. To say that all CDR's are exactly the same is false...

funny how people hype verbatims! IMO they're pure crap! i've had the most issues with just verbatims, even more than with basfs. got some cheap non label ones from thomann once too and they were all fucked. if i'd have to say what's the best IMO i'd go with tdk, but i prefer cds with no graphics on them and i've never seen tdks without any graphics. usueally i just buy what's cheap if it's something else than verbatim or basf

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY ...Those CD's that are labeled for music is nothing but hype, and they are more expensive because the company pays a fee to advertise them that way.

Actually, the cds labed as audio are for the home audio recorders. Those type of units will only take top of the line cdr that use the Phthalocyanine dye (greenish hue) rather than your standard Cyanine dye (light blue hue). When choosing a cdr, you are not so much looking for quality now as most, if not all, will work now, you are basing your decision as to how long it will last. If you get a better cdr that uses better dye, you will have a disc that will last longer and be able to stand up to the elements (tempature being a main one) better. The Phthalocyanine dye is the best and rated around 200+ years.

There are really only 4 or so cdr manufactures and all the name brands just bye from them. Some of them rotate around, some of them buy from the same source.

And as someone else mentioned, it is better to burn at a slow rate. When i burn my mix cds, i usually burn fast as they are no big deal. However, when i burn tracks to play out, it is good to stick < 4x.

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Originally posted by onceler Actually, the cds labed as audio are for the home audio recorders. Those type of units will only take top of the line cdr that use the Phthalocyanine dye (greenish hue) rather than your standard Cyanine dye (light blue hue). When choosing a cdr, you are not so much looking for quality now as most, if not all, will work now, you are basing your decision as to how long it will last. If you get a better cdr that uses better dye, you will have a disc that will last longer and be able to stand up to the elements (tempature being a main one) better. The Phthalocyanine dye is the best and rated around 200+ years. There are really only 4 or so cdr manufactures and all the name brands just bye from them. Some of them rotate around, some of them buy from the same source. And as someone else mentioned, it is better to burn at a slow rate. When i burn my mix cds, i usually burn fast as they are no big deal. However, when i burn tracks to play out, it is good to stick < 4x.

I'm not so sure about the audio cd part, I always thought that they were just more expensive because of the tax levied against "music" cdrs

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Originally posted by `pr0digy I'm not so sure about the audio cd part, I always thought that they were just more expensive because of the tax levied against "music" cdrs

that is not the case here in finland at least as we have the same taxes on all cdrs because you can burn music to all of them and still the audio ones are like many times more expensive.

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Originally posted by `pr0digy I'm not so sure about the audio cd part, I always thought that they were just more expensive because of the tax levied against "music" cdrs

Im not sure how it works in other countries, but here in canada theres a general copying levy against everything that can be used to copy media, not just music.

What proof is there that cds burnt at faster speeds then others sound/play differently?

Pretty much anything works just fine for modern CD players as far as reading is concerned. The cheapo brands don't last as long, but you can always just burn a new copy.

Personally, I go for TDK or Memorex, just because their logos are subtle and they last for a long time.

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Originally posted by sebjr What proof is there that cds burnt at faster speeds then others sound/play differently?

Your ears. You can sometimes hear pops and crackles in the sound. I didn't believe it at first until it happened to me. Any cd's I burn to play out, I burn <4x. If it is mix cds for my friends and what not, I burn as fast as I can.

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Originally posted by zoomzoom The cheapo brands don't last as long, but you can always just burn a new copy.

Not when you don't have access to the media anymore. If you have a HDD crash or you loose the file in someway, the only way to get this back is with a cd you have previously burnt. Another way around this if you dont want to invest in good cd's (which really aren't that much more $$ than cheap-o cd's) is to make a 2nd copy using the cheapo ones and never touch it. Store it in a cd book you dont use.

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Originally posted by onceler Not when you don't have access to the media anymore. If you have a HDD crash or you loose the file in someway, the only way to get this back is with a cd you have previously burnt. Another way around this if you dont want to invest in good cd's (which really aren't that much more $$ than cheap-o cd's) is to make a 2nd copy using the cheapo ones and never touch it. Store it in a cd book you dont use.

Very true. I guess the moral of the story is that you should have backups in case one method of media storage fails.

burning a CD as slow as possible ensures that the Image is "burned" in as good as possible. This is only for compatibility issues with other weak laser, or older cd players that sometimes have problems reading burned CD's. All cds/cdr's audio quality diminishes in time mainly by just being read in the player. I've used the expensive cdr's and the cheapos, and I have noticed no difference in audio quality or life span. The main issue is compatibility; Both the high dollar and so called cheapo cdr's aren't compatible with everything, just find what works for you. As for the so called cdr's labeled as music, they pay a license fee to advertise that way, and thats why they are more expensive. Do you think the company will eat that cost?? Thats why they pass that on to the consumer who pays for that, as well as the fancy labels/packaging you get with the high dollar cdr's.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY All cds/cdr's audio quality diminishes in time mainly by just being read in the player. [---snip snip---] As for the so called cdr's labeled as music, they pay a license fee to advertise that way, and thats why they are more expensive. Do you think the company will eat that cost?? Thats why they pass that on to the consumer who pays for that, as well as the fancy labels/packaging you get with the high dollar cdr's.

wrong and wrong. the quality of the cd isn't in any way affcted by how much it is played.
and the second one is wrong too like stated before.

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