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What is Progressive?

What is Progressive trance/house?

Craig

Boring music

I find it funny how they pick the genre that progresses the least and call it progressive...

Cass Cutbush of Cass and Slide fame and now his own label once said that progressive was not a sound, it was a mindset, it was forward thinking music.

Try this link for one of the more in depth guides to music genre that has been posted on these forums. Many may disagree with some of the descriptions, but it is probably as accurate a read as you will find.

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Taken from cafeerte.com (URBAN/UNDERGROUND/PROGRESSIVE) TRANCE Characterized by a composition of powerful bagatelles, melodies and vocals, which are introduced as orchestrated `Build-Ups'. A `Build-Up', is a section within a track, where the beat and baselineare taken away and a soothing melody or vocal introduced. Various elements of percussion and sound effects are then arranged together in an uplifting manner, taking the listener up and up . The Beat and Baseline are reintroduced, combining melody and percussion to create an `Explosiv' effect.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I find it funny how they pick the genre that progresses the least and call it progressive...

Well, in Canada they used to have some thing called "Progessive Conservative"

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Originally posted by Steve Stephano Try this link for one of the more in depth guides to music genre that has been posted on these forums. Many may disagree with some of the descriptions, but it is probably as accurate a read as you will find.

sounds more like a definition of classic melodic trance to me.. breakdowns, build-ups and huge climaxes the way they are described in your quote are almost inherent to melodic trance.

progressive is more minimal and focusses on subtlety rather than big leads. the bassline also tends to be groovier..

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I find it funny how they pick the genre that progresses the least and call it progressive...

You can't be serious?

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Originally posted by Evan Almae You can't be serious?

Why not?

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Originally posted by TOR sounds more like a definition of classic melodic trance to me.. breakdowns, build-ups and huge climaxes the way they are described in your quote are almost inherent to melodic trance. progressive is more minimal and focusses on subtlety rather than big leads. the bassline also tends to be groovier..

But if you re-read the first line of the quote it says:

"Characterized by a composition of powerful bagatelles, melodies and vocals, which are introduced as orchestrated `Build-Ups'."

Melodic Trance usually climaxes throughout the song not just during the break/build section of the track.

I see your point though, the climax in prog is generally more subtle, but has the same ruling effect.

Originally posted by Ishkur

Progressive Trance doesn't really refer to any kind of build or climax, though a lot of them have that. It refers to the changing bass chords that kind of give the looping lead synth the impression that it's moving forward, or building towards something, when it's really not (it's just the same loop over and over again)...hence: "progressive".

See, here's where things get all muddy and confusing. Progressive Trance is really supposed to be nothing more than an extension of Progressive House, which is a ten year old term to explain music like Leftfield that was housey, but with those spitting synths that are ubiquetous trance.

The defining signature of Progressive Trance, that differentiated it from regular trance around 95 or so, were bass chord changes (in aeolian scale, usually) that, although the lead synth was just repeating itself, gave it the feeling of it moving forward or building towards something ie: progressing. Hence Progressive. It's the oldest trick in music. Go to my Guide and listen to the Progressive Trance samples. ESPECIALLY Gamemaster and Dream Universe....ignore the lead synth and listen to what the bass chord is doing, how it changes keys every four bars.

All the genres that spawned from that...especially the ridiculous, pompous anthem ones, utilize the same technique to idiotic extremes, giving it an "uplifting" feel. Probably where the butchered yet aptly described "Uplifting Trance" comes from.

"Progressive" as a just genre all by itself is nothing like Progressive Trance, but people are lazy about making up new names for things. Here is where the confusion comes in. The stuff on Digweed's Bedrock CDs is hardly Progressive, hardly Trance, and definitely not Progressive Trance (except for the overrated Heaven Scent). It's more of a monotonous house vibe, though I would hesitate to call it house. No one knows where it goes. I sometimes sarcastically call it "House Trance". I have it on my guide as UK House, since only the British could make something that boring

progressive far deeper than trance.the sound of the instruments used is more filtered and layered.the bass drum is not as defined and prominent,instead a melody pattern is one thing that strikes you.IMO progressive,although slower bpm wise is more intense than trance.

Some examples;
Ava Mea - In the end
Furry Nipples - surroundings
Rouzbeh Delavari - La la la
The MFA - Motherload
Whiteroom - The white room
....
And Much of Ozgur Can

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Originally posted by torontotrance Cass Cutbush of Cass and Slide fame and now his own label once said that progressive was not a sound, it was a mindset, it was forward thinking music.

I'd have to agree with that. "Progressive" sounds like you're pushing the boundaries, progressing on when others refuse to.

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Originally posted by Hyoctane What is Progressive trance/house? Craig

its that crap i have to forward through in some mixes sometimes.

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Originally posted by idoru I'd have to agree with that. "Progressive" sounds like you're pushing the boundaries, progressing on when others refuse to.

But everything is new and innovative the first time it is played.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange its that crap i have to forward through in some mixes sometimes.

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Originally posted by Steve Stephano But everything is new and innovative the first time it is played.

Well, that depends on your definition of "innovative." Probspot may have a "progressive" sound, ie tunes more relaxed, and at a BPM lower than 138, but using the same samples in every tune, while just changing the melody, isn't very innovating.

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Originally posted by idoru but using the same samples in every tune, while just changing the melody, isn't very innovating.

thats pvd right there..

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Originally posted by vatoloco77 Some examples; Ava Mea - In the end Furry Nipples - surroundings Rouzbeh Delavari - La la la The MFA - Motherload Whiteroom - The white room .... And Much of Ozgur Can

Whiteroom - The white room.

Is this prog??

"Progressive sounds like you're pushing the boundaries, progressing on when others refuse to"


I just think that the statement describes the word and has nothing to do with the music. Every music genre can be progressive in that sense, but is not necessarily decribed as Progressive.

I kind of agree with Ishkur's guide though in saying that Progressive is a misnamed genre, and I was just joking with my previous statement mind.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I find it funny how they pick the genre that progresses the least and call it progressive...

Bullshit. In the last few years, there has not been any type of EDM that has evolved more than progressive.
It started out as a slowed down version of trance, nowadays it's a genre of it's own. Especially over the last year, producers succesfully combined progressive (trance) with less 'accessible' types of EDM like techno, tech-house, electro and acid.

You don't like progressive, fine (it also took me some time to appreciate it)... that's your opinion and I respect it. Considering the variety of styles and the possibilities it creates for EDM in the near future, I think the name progressive is more than justified

grtz

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Originally posted by alieu Whiteroom - The white room. Is this prog??

You're Right...

I mean White room - White room

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Originally posted by Hitman Bullshit. In the last few years, there has not been any type of EDM that has evolved more than progressive. It started out as a slowed down version of trance, nowadays it's a genre of it's own. Especially over the last year, producers succesfully combined progressive (trance) with less 'accessible' types of EDM like techno, tech-house, electro and acid. You don't like progressive, fine (it also took me some time to appreciate it)... that's your opinion and I respect it. Considering the variety of styles and the possibilities it creates for EDM in the near future, I think the name progressive is more than justified grtz

No no, you misunderstood me. What I mean is that prog music builds around repetition of the same theme and don't really progress anywhere as such (though, obviously, there are numerous exceptions to this - there are different categories within prog as well). I'm not saying that because I don't like prog - I do like it... if you don't count this bastardised version of it some big jocks mistakenly think of as prog.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery if you don't count this bastardised version of it some big jocks mistakenly think of as prog.

You're right about that... just about everything that doesn't immediately qualify as trance, gets called prog

Fuck the name-calling anyway

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