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Posted by {b.s.e.} on Oct-11-2001 14:10:

What I set out to Achieve...

Alright,granted:
You crazy mofo's are all trance addicts..but I swear to High Heaven that one day...ONE DAY!..you will all love hardcore. Maybe not all of you...but if I can sway just one of youse guys, my life will be complete..that is until I can see Dj Promo. But we can't all have what we want most, can we?

On the other hand: I emplore all of you to show me sick sick trance..cuz some of it's actually pretty damn slick.
Give and take, children.

I'ma try and find some relatively cheap host with a decent bandwidth and I will create a site. One for all hardcore...and an ftp for yo' crazy ass trance. But that won't happen until i can get my greedy little hands on a VISA and or Mastercard [so if you're feelin' generous..hehe]

so yeah..that's my goal.

the Black Sun Emperor

Post Script:
I won't force any of the crazy hard shit on y'all though..that might just blow your minds. and we can't have that.

Posted by Pjotr G on Oct-11-2001 14:15:

lol i think a lot of people (at least the dutch ones that remember the hard days) kinda went from hardcore to trance, not other way around. However every now and than nothing beats a good ole distorted 909 kick, however i can go without 180bpm

Posted by tu_face on Oct-11-2001 15:50:

hardcore... simple things for simple minds..

because ur from the UK i know u know im only jokin.. ye i used to listen to some old hardcore rave music.. when i was 10 i think i can speak for most of us when i say we wanted something a little more imaginative... thus trance

Posted by Lost on Oct-11-2001 19:01:

i agree with pjotr g. me and all of my friends started out with hardcore and gabber but we all kinda mellowed out to trance over the years. the back and knees just don't keep up after a while. specially when you get to be an old man like me. trance makes for nice music to dance to and when the body gives out you can still enjoy it for its' muscial quality.

lost

Posted by Eugene on Oct-11-2001 20:34:

Has it ever occurred to you that you're a mofo yourself?
And a crazy one at that...

Posted by {b.s.e.} on Oct-11-2001 21:10:

Mofo?

quote:
Originally posted by Eugene
Has it ever occurred to you that you're a mofo yourself?
And a crazy one at that...

Why yes. It has occured to me, and by gum I've accepted it.

As for simplicity, hardcore has evolved far past the old skool tunes that Paul Elstak pumped out. It's actually quite impressive, what they are doing nowadays. Take Dj Promo for instance, he's got a trance-y flash to him, but a nice stady beat, sick samples, all beautifully composed. Flawless shit, boys and girls.

THis is Promo's site. Give it a chance, check out the real audio section. I suggest listening to the File 9 RA files. 'My underground Madness'...masterpiece.
www.thirdmovement.nl

I know that hardcore has a reputation, which is why I'm trying to set the record straight. Hardcore has blindingly bright future, and I'm here to see no one keeps the shades down, so to speak. ;D
My ICQ
132249144

kind regards,

the black sun emperor

post script: It seems that many of you are at least half-assed familiarized with the gabber scene.. for any still interested; check out
www.mastersofhardcore.com
or
www.sector-1.com
Sector 1 has some great new trance as well.. so you can pretend you're going to check out some sick new trance vinyl. ;P

laters.

Posted by Noisician on Oct-11-2001 22:10:

oh why... i still listen to Hardcore sometimes (but not that sack of shit Happy Hardcore )

I prefer Terrorcore (or Speedcore as it's called in US) with beatrate of 300 and higher. I listen to it when im being angry and wanna blow up the whole fuckin world (and believe it or not, it works!)
AcidCore is also one of my favorite Hardcore genres - i freakin love it when TB303 goes mad with hardcore builds (like in Cixx vs. The vynil Junk - The Lecker; Unknown Structure - Helixcoid; Brain - Mystique; DDR & The Geezer - Mad Cows on Acid; Lenny Dee & DJ Edge - Silence of Eternity etc.) Outstanding shit!
What i don't like is Rotterdam Hardcore and ArtCore - very boring stuff (IMHO)

Generally, when i was into Hardcore my favor producers were (and still are actually) Omar Santana, Lenny Dee, Manu le Malin, Liza 'n' Liaz, DJ Paul (he was very good before he started making that ultra-commercial cheese under the name Dj Paul Elstak), Vinyl Junk, Delta 9, Wedlock, Ruffneck, DJ Dano, The prophet (of course!), Stunned Guys .
But frankly, i dont understand people who listen to Hardcore *only* - what's so bad in CLassic Techno or Trance??

Posted by Paul Wilson on Oct-11-2001 22:21:

Re: What I set out to Achieve...

quote:
Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
Alright,granted:
You crazy mofo's are all trance addicts..but I swear to High Heaven that one day...ONE DAY!..you will all love hardcore. Maybe not all of you...but if I can sway just one of youse guys, my life will be complete..that is until I can see Dj Promo. But we can't all have what we want most, can we?

On the other hand: I emplore all of you to show me sick sick trance..cuz some of it's actually pretty damn slick.
Give and take, children.

I'ma try and find some relatively cheap host with a decent bandwidth and I will create a site. One for all hardcore...and an ftp for yo' crazy ass trance. But that won't happen until i can get my greedy little hands on a VISA and or Mastercard [so if you're feelin' generous..hehe]

so yeah..that's my goal.

the Black Sun Emperor

Post Script:
I won't force any of the crazy hard shit on y'all though..that might just blow your minds. and we can't have that.

Your posts never cease to crack me up whether you mean it or not!

Posted by {b.s.e.} on Oct-12-2001 01:36:

Candy Kid Caning

quote:
Originally posted by USSR Junkie
oh why... i still listen to Hardcore sometimes (but not that sack of shit Happy Hardcore )

I prefer Terrorcore (or Speedcore as it's called in US) with beatrate of 300 and higher. I listen to it when im being angry and wanna blow up the whole fuckin world (and believe it or not, it works!)
AcidCore is also one of my favorite Hardcore genres - i freakin love it when TB303 goes mad with hardcore builds (like in Cixx vs. The vynil Junk - The Lecker; Unknown Structure - Helixcoid; Brain - Mystique; DDR & The Geezer - Mad Cows on Acid; Lenny Dee & DJ Edge - Silence of Eternity etc.) Outstanding shit!
What i don't like is Rotterdam Hardcore and ArtCore - very boring stuff (IMHO)

Generally, when i was into Hardcore my favor producers were (and still are actually) Omar Santana, Lenny Dee, Manu le Malin, Liza 'n' Liaz, DJ Paul (he was very good before he started making that ultra-commercial cheese under the name Dj Paul Elstak), Vinyl Junk, Delta 9, Wedlock, Ruffneck, DJ Dano, The prophet (of course!), Stunned Guys .
But frankly, i dont understand people who listen to Hardcore *only* - what's so bad in CLassic Techno or Trance??

Well, I never said my tastes were exclusive to hardcore. I really like jungle, that stuff is gold. And I'm rather partial to NU-NRG and techno.
[incidently, S4 is my 2nd favorite dj.]

Yeah, happy hardcore can kiss my ass. !:]

I like your taste of music though, if it's worth the words. :-)
I saw Lenndy Dee live in Toronto a few months back.. one of the most impressive sets I've ever seen..effortless. ;]
I'm more into New Style; Neophyte, Promo, Outblast, hard creation, catscan, Holy Crown Forces is awesome, Twistericals, Dj Dione..
The Prophet.. yeah man.
But anyhoo..
I'm always serious, Paul Wilson. >=P

Have you guys heard of AudioGalaxy?
www.audiogalaxy.com
You can find just about any damn song, very helpful. You can just be online, and someone from this forum could look up the track, and take it off your hard drive.. just a thought. ;-)

ok. well, i'm out for now.

{b.s.e.}

Posted by Kytracid on Oct-12-2001 02:05:

Hardcore LOL !!!! Do ppl still listen to that stuff (er...I'd call it shit, but I believe in tolerance)....LOL I have no idea what the hell would possess someone to listen to 160 bpm...except maybe candy kids.

Dude...I hope u are joking because hardcore ain't comming back anytime soon. Even the epic trance that has been so popular for the last few years is making way for the progressive era. The future is progressive man....hardcore is dead !!!

RIP Hardcore !!!!!

Posted by DJ Rob Noli on Oct-12-2001 04:51:

I listen to L.A. Hard House which is like hardcore...guys like Delta 9, George Centeno, Darren R....

I listened to that before I listened to trance and I still do.

Hard House and Hardcore ROCK!!!

Posted by {b.s.e.} on Oct-12-2001 05:40:

easy, big fella.

quote:
Originally posted by Kytracid
Hardcore LOL !!!! Do ppl still listen to that stuff (er...I'd call it shit, but I believe in tolerance)....LOL I have no idea what the hell would possess someone to listen to 160 bpm...except maybe candy kids.

Dude...I hope u are joking because hardcore ain't comming back anytime soon. Even the epic trance that has been so popular for the last few years is making way for the progressive era. The future is progressive man....hardcore is dead !!!

RIP Hardcore !!!!!

Y'see, you can say that. But I know different. Everyone who's familiar with hardcore is familiar with the old skool style.. but this isn't that. This is newstyle i'm talking about. It has everything a partyer wants in a set:
sick hard bass
fast beat
wicked synth patterns
wicked samples.
Dj Orbeat recently moved to Toronto with his sights set on sculpting the hardcore scene in Canada. Coupled with local favourites like Dominik, Deacon Boombastardizer..the word is starting to spread.

As for candy kids..well..i eat fun-fur for breakfast.
And aside from personal taste, what makes anyone want to listen to 100 bpm? I dunno.

until next time.

-bse-

ps.
good joke, eh? ;-D

Posted by Pjotr G on Oct-12-2001 08:23:

Screw "newstyle", NOTHING beats OLDSKOOL

you can't beat "ramirez - terapia" with a stick, or "marshall masters - setreo murder", or....welll listen to thunderdome 1 (only the slow tracks tho ) and you get my point.

And for hardcore being dead? Not ever gonna happen for the people that have even loved it. I listen to trance and techno and progressive and the likes too, and you can't simply call hardcore inferior. It is NOT easier to make (yea, making a BAD CHEESY tune is easy i know, but not a good track). Some people only hear the kick and think "all these people have to do is throw in a fakkin hard kick at 160 bpm and a hardcore track is born" it's not even like that. See it a bit like techno, a lot of focus on the rhythm.

Posted by {b.s.e.} on Oct-12-2001 17:33:

Mute Point Blank.

So taste clashes once again.
See. I'd have to disagree with you on NewSytle vs Old Skool. While I love old skool, it just doesn't seem to have the same flare [granted production is much more advanced these days..so who knows what Dj Paul could come with if he tried..;?].
But yuo can never really beat classics like Industrial Strength or Exlax...awesome stuff. Forgotten Moments - lenny dee..goddamn. :-)
As for ease of creating hardcore..i'd go as far to say that it is the hardest type of music to actually make WELL. A solid track is very rare in hardcore. There's some good shit going on at
www.thridmovement.nl check it out...
and at www.sector-1.com

well..it's time for lunch.
pieces.

bse.