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why does everyone use reason if it can't accept VST'S?
Reason seems to be the choice for alot of electronic producers.
why is this if it can't accept VST's.
cuz you can produce good music without VSTis. reason has some good instruments built into it like subtractor. and people get can get some fantastic sounds out of it. the instrument isnt as important as the person using it.
ive heard to many classy tracks made out of freebie synths to put any credence into the idea that you need a �1,000 instrument to make good sounds.
A VST is just a format, nothing more.
Why use VSTs when you can use DXs? Or Apple Audio Unit?
For that matter, why use VSTs when you can use Reason?
thanks guys
reason it is.
reason 4.5 is the latest right?
is there a way I can reocrd samples into it (using the AUDIO IN from my sound card) and tweaking it with reason?
or is there a way I can import other samples from other sources (files) and tweaking that with reason?
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| Originally posted by djVersus thanks guys reason it is. reason 4.5 is the latest right? |
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| Originally posted by Derivative cuz you can produce good music without VSTis. reason has some good instruments built into it like subtractor. and people get can get some fantastic sounds out of it. the instrument isnt as important as the person using it. ive heard to many classy tracks made out of freebie synths to put any credence into the idea that you need a �1,000 instrument to make good sounds. |
heheh. airbase stuff sounds awesome cuz of skilled production and expensive hardware, sampled and imported into reason. the new prodigy album sounds awesome cuz liam howlett is a producing legend and after he fiddled in reason he shipped the lot into pro tools and thus also the best set of effects on the planet 
on the new prodigy album he did not use reason for his bass. infact if you read the interview with him he clearly states that reason can not produce good bass tones or sounds... also the reason why reason is so heavily used is for the fact that when reason came out fruity loops hadnt began to support vstis, and reason was alot cheaper then any other program. however where reason lacks is its effects as with a vsti supported host you can use vsti effects which blow reason effects out of the water. reason has it issues and to get around them youd have to rewire into cubase and at the expense of lots of cpu usage. honestly your best bet is going with fruity and some good vstis and then move on to cubase or logic. many many great trance tracks are produced in fruity loops i know sevral producers that can make a trance track in fruity loops that will put any reason track to shame. the only thing with vstis is you have to rember the sound quality is limted to the quality of your soundcard... many people will argue this but i dare them to try it and they will see the differnce.
well I don't know and I don't care about others. I myself use reason mainly because of two things. It's fast to work with AND it draws less processorpower than using vst's.
tho I must admit that I use cubase from time to time when I need a special sound I can't get frmo the subtractor BUT the synths in reason are def. underestimated 
Re: why does everyone use reason if it can't accept VST'S?
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| Originally posted by djVersus Reason seems to be the choice for alot of electronic producers. why is this if it can't accept VST's. |
. I guess its about preference.
It exists a freeware which allow to open the VST's with Reason, but I don't remember the name !
thanks guys
I wanna master one program and stick to it, looks like fruity loops studio is the answer.
should I go straight to cubase / logic ? I don't see the purpose in starting out with FL studio then learning a entirely new program like cubase / logic. I wanna start one and master it and use one program only.
I figure as long as I can import samples into the program and have full control/tweakability of that sample, the possibilities should be endless.
what u guys think ?
are you guys also saying Reason is not capable of a nice bassline with alot of depth ? If not then layer two basslines and create that depth? couldn't you do that?
yes you could do that. theres always ways to get around the limitations of your host. most of the people that complain that fruity or reason sucks for making music are generally bad producers. most of the people that say you need expensive software or hardware instruments to make good music are bad producers. at the end of the day its whatever you feel comfortable with using.
u've musta known u couldnt have gotten a striaght answer from Fruity n Reason users tryin to grab u to there darkside
Anywayz man
I use Fruity...90% with Vst'z (albino/absynth/V-station/Superwave bundle 2.0 as well as linplugs free vst Alpha and others...btw there are alota good free vst's)
I think Fruity is very dependable...with some tweakin and some hrs of work...u can get any type of sound. I myself am still in the processing of mastering Fruity...about 80% over 3 yrs with no knowledge of music theory...yup from the grind up
May i suggest something?...Try using a combination of Fruity+Cubase or Fruity+Sound Forge/Acid Pro...i've worked with all 4 programs...and well i love them all and have seen great outcomes from there partnerships.
Dont judge a book by its cover mawn...reason may 'look' 'intense' i kno...i've worked with it...and i have yet to understand what all the hype is about it *yawn*
Sebastiano
Btw gl...for me this has been an awesome ryde
i hate reason. i dont use it either.
tha bass problem is accutally an issue with exporting the track if im correct. which would in turn mean no matter how many times you layer it still wont be right, however you can overcome this problem simply by rewiring into cubase. this will however furthermore drain your cpu processing power. as for big producers who use reason yes you can make good tracks this is true but look at other producers who use nothing but freeware and make amazing ass tracks not just sound but mathimatically amazing. honestly i got into production for the fact of the theory behind sound sythensis and the amount of math and values envolved in making awesome insane sounds... yes alot of my tracks suck but there are very unique sounds, and most of the people that say my tracks suck are reason users. this is due to the fact that unless its an supersaw they dont care. however other people who listen to my tracks might say they are shitly produced lack lots of things but overall the sound is infact very unique. imo its about indiviaulity supersaws have been done over thousands of times.
so its up to you, i myself look up to producers such as james holden, richard d james, filterheadz, airwave, hybird, john 00 flemming, dito, tonedepth & sultan.... and so on i belive having a varitey of tastes and abilty to create more then one style very important and honestly reason is good but to get that unique unheard of sound in reason is not very common. most reason users tracks will follow the same basic sound pattern and brag souly on the abilty to create a track that youd hear on asot..... imo this isnt why you should produce, your doing nothing but holding production back by producing this way. creating new styles of production and sounds lead to very good productions...... but hey fuck it find something you like and stick with it, me personally i love flp its a awesome host.
i once had a conversation with airbase who uses strictly reason, he said the main reason why he doesnt use vstis is beacuase he doesnt have time to relearn a new host and gather a large library of vstis. where as a friend of mine had a conversation with james holden who said it like this: i get really fucking high i open buzz and i dont stop touching shit till its an amazingly awesome sound and then i get even more high and keep fucking with shit. now me personally id follow the advice of a person who is openminded on shit not someone who takes the option of saying its too much trouble and i dont have enough time.
so you pick do you want to be able to use vstis which there are litterly thousands of free ones or do you want to stick to a one trick pony..... good luck and rember its not about what other people think its about how you feel and what you want to be able to do.
if i offended anyone fuck off im tired of little bitches trying to make most the shit i say invalid when i go against what they want to belive, its simple you stick with your reason built in effects and ill use my vsti effects that alone blow reason out of the fucking water.
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| tha bass problem is accutally an issue with exporting the track if im correct. which would in turn mean no matter how many times you layer it still wont be right, however you can overcome this problem simply by rewiring into cubase. this will however furthermore drain your cpu processing power. |
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| so you pick do you want to be able to use vstis which there are litterly thousands of free ones or do you want to stick to a one trick pony..... |
try the arturia moog modular for some nice bass it cna produce warmth and everyhting. your right lots of people do use samples for bass but yet i repeat in reason there is an exporting issue which causes the bass problem not the synths, and the only way around it is to rewire into cubase to export. now about the synths and having to elarn to program each one well to be rather honest after youve been programming a varitey of them for a while you learn that pretty much all of them are the same as long as they fall into the same catagory of synth. as some synths are made for differnt purpose and so on and arnet exactly the same. and yes layering synths is good i agree you need to layer to create a full spectrum of sound. however varitey helsp as some synths are better at certain tasks then others.
like for example a while ago i stoped using pro-53 for pads becuase i found it to be rather weak at making pads, then just recently i was like im going to see how good i cna make leads with ti and woah was i amazed that it can do really good leads. now take albino 2 i used to use albino 1 all the time for leads but when 2 came out i saw its potential for making pads and now i find it to be one of my best vstis for pads......
ohh and btw note i said that there are litterly thousand of free vstis.... as in you dont ahve to purchase them they are freeware
think you will find reason started out quite dear to buy and now has gone down in price ;o)
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| Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ the only thing with vstis is you have to rember the sound quality is limted to the quality of your soundcard... many people will argue this but i dare them to try it and they will see the differnce. |
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| Originally posted by h.vox ?!? the quality of sound of a softsynth depends on a quality of softsynths algorythms only. how can soundcard quality be a factor unless you record its analog out? |
yes it dpeends on the mathamatically processes that the creators used to program the soft synth indeed but theres still the fact that unless your soundcard can support the range of frequencys and produce them ina good manner then it wont sound good. to say that soundcard doesnt matter would be completely destory the point of needing a souncard that can do 24bit 96khz. the quality of sound depends on the qaulity of the card as the sound must be processed by the cards chips and if the chips suck then the sound will be loosely processed and create a shittie sound. not saying you need a 800dollar soundcard but using that built in soundcard on a computer thats 4years old or even 2 years old will limit the sound quality.
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| Originally posted by d-miurge It exists a freeware which allow to open the VST's with Reason, but I don't remember the name ! |
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| the quality of sound depends on the qaulity of the card as the sound must be processed by the cards chips and if the chips suck then the sound will be loosely processed and create a shittie sound. not saying you need a 800dollar soundcard but using that built in soundcard on a computer thats 4years old or even 2 years old will limit the sound quality. |
yes it would because the soundcard would be used to processes the sound from the vsti. might not hear the sound but it still si required to use teh soundcard to processes the sound.
to be honest i can switch between my delta 1010 and my internal crappy soundcard and i notice no difference in playback quality. no difference in rendering quality. the only difference i get is that with my 1010 i get 10 1/4 inch TRS inputs/outputs/spdif/midi connectivity/24bit/96khz recording capabilities/midi connectivity. whereas with my internal soundcard i get 1 headphone jack.
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