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Posted by ManTrance on Oct-27-2004 10:19:

Kick & Sub Bass Frequencies

Hi,

Can any1 tell me what should take up the lowest frequencies, the Kick or the Sub Bass?

I've seen the many EQ charts but they just say which frequencies to boost & cut, tho I'm unsure which should lay the lowest.

Any help would be appreciated?

Posted by hardikaveri on Oct-27-2004 10:55:

I always cut everything below 35hz becouse it could resonize!!

Posted by ManTrance on Oct-27-2004 11:30:

So do I, tho thats not really the answer to my question.

What I want to know, is what sits lowest in the frequency chart.

The kick or the Sub Bass?

Or even, which freqencies should the kick take up, and what frequencies should the sub bass take up?

Posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ on Oct-27-2004 13:56:

i usually try to keep my kicks between 40-50hz and my bass around 60-100hz however i suck at production and that might be why alot of my tracks sound muddy

Posted by ManTrance on Oct-27-2004 14:41:

Any1 got any other ideas?

Posted by ilalin on Oct-27-2004 16:35:

Both, the kick and the sub bass occupy pretty much the same frequencies. These can range from 16Hz to 120Hz. Additionaly, the kick usually occupies frequncies of up to 3kHz. It all depends on the sample. When mixing it's only up to you to decide which sound is going to take up each frequency. Personally, I would not keep the kick and the sub bass playing at the same time, thus giving your track more room to breathe.

Posted by Derivative on Oct-27-2004 17:13:

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i usually try to keep my kicks between 40-50hz and my bass around 60-100hz however i suck at production and that might be why alot of my tracks sound muddy

that is FAR too low to be putting a kick!

mantrance, first off a good dynamic kick drum occupies alot of frequencies because it isnt just one tone. its got like a click or a slap at the start then a thump then a sub tail off. the click or slap resides around 1,500 hz to 2,500hz depending on how much you want it to sound separate from the bass. the thump, the main part of the kick is around 500hz to 800hz. the underlying sub (the WHOOOOOMMMMMM bit) is around 50 to 80hz.

i usually layer my kicks to get all those frequencies. individual kick samples that you can get off the net or on sample cds dont necessarily have all of these dynamics. a tr-808 kick for example has little to no click/slap which is why i often use it as a sub bass (i just change the envelope and extend the sustain and release. sub basses typically reside between 50 and 500hz and is easily the most prominent low end sound you are gonna put into your tunes. often parts of your kick (note: NOT necessarily the whole kick) will reside in the same sub frequencies which is why its necessary to know the presence of your kicks, basses and subs in the low frequency part of an EQ. the only way to be absolutely sure is to use a spectrum analyser. PAZ analyser seems popular although there are freeware ones available.

Posted by Massive84 on Oct-27-2004 19:50:

meh don't bother the rulez that much.

Posted by EtherealSL on Oct-27-2004 21:53:

one or the other doesn't have to take up the lower frequency

it varies from song to song... some songs may be bass intensive while others may wanna lay off the bassline a little

Posted by pho mo on Oct-28-2004 03:13:

I find in general that trance (melodic) has very deep kicks and the bass or sub-bass is not as low.

Breaks in general has a bass that is much deeper than the kick, in breaks the bass is always heading for the "brown note"

That's very general, and I can't even back it up, and it's probably wrong, but there you go.