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Posted by eyeball_2003 on Oct-29-2004 07:53:

bpm mixing chart

hi all, i did use search and it doesnt work,
please can someone point me in the direction of a bpm mixing chart so i know what roughly what pitch to set my records at to beatmatch please
thanks in advance

Posted by Freak on Oct-29-2004 08:01:

For what its worth, you can buy one from Hard to Justify the Price Records

However:
I (any many others) can pitch a track within literally a few seconds- faster than it would take you to pick up the chart and look at it.
As pitch is analogue anyway, it wont be exact so kind of pointless anyway- not that there is enogh light in most club consoles to be able to read it properly.
Utterly utterly useless.

Posted by FirstBorn on Oct-29-2004 08:16:

Yep - learn to use your ears and not how to read a chart. A BPM grid or beatcounter might seem like a good idea when you're starting out but all you're doing is short-cutting the essential listening skills you need to acquire to DJ properly.

I've never seen one of those charts but I did buy a beatcounter when I was starting out. Nowadays, the only thing I use it for is determining the BPM of my records when I first buy them (I label all my records by key/BPM).

How many DJ's have you ever seen poring over a chart mid-mix?

Posted by eyeball_2003 on Oct-29-2004 08:17:

ok, its just i got my decks yesterday and was having trouble last nite mixin, but this mornin i read an article on mixing and managed to beatmatch two songs using the pitch adjuster so your right prob wont need that chart now, thanks anyway

Posted by FirstBorn on Oct-29-2004 12:41:

Nice - good luck m8 and enjoy!

Posted by Hyoctane on Oct-29-2004 14:05:

Just make one in excel, I'll make it for you if you want...
Just give me a range of BPM.

Craig

Posted by D Dubya on Oct-29-2004 14:41:

Ive said it a million times.... Don't use a beatcounter! Ever! You know, I do use a beat counter on the first record I throw down because I like working with a 133-135 BPM. After that though, its completely useless to me. As others have said, if you rely on something like a beatcounter you're screwing yourself. Most clubs don't have one. None of them are really accurate. Avoid it!!!

Posted by tu_face on Oct-29-2004 15:07:

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Originally posted by Dirk W.
Ive said it a million times.... Don't use a beatcounter! Ever! You know, I do use a beat counter on the first record I throw down because I like working with a 133-135 BPM. After that though, its completely useless to me. As others have said, if you rely on something like a beatcounter you're screwing yourself. Most clubs don't have one. None of them are really accurate. Avoid it!!!

very true. the only real use for a beat counter is, as you say, to get a starting tempo (which really can be done by ear easily anyway) or in conjunction with beat effects, samplers and loops.

the fact of the matter is that a lot of people don't realise how good their own brain is at sound processing. our brains have their own, more reliable beat counters, as well as built in compressors/limiters. if only they made an FX unit for your brain!

Posted by D Dubya on Oct-29-2004 16:01:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
the fact of the matter is that a lot of people don't realise how good their own brain is at sound processing. our brains have their own, more reliable beat counters, as well as built in compressors/limiters. if only they made an FX unit for your brain!

I agree. I have a real hard time though knowing what BPM something is playing at (like when I first start out). I don't know why, but I can't tell if its playing at 130 or 135. Matching beats no problem... I am just not good at estimating. I think thats the whole problem, never ask me to estimate size, distance, BPM, anything - I will be horribly wrong.