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Posted by spdandpwr on Oct-29-2004 21:17:

beatmatch without headphones?

i am just curious if its possible to mix without headphones. i got pretty clost to it because i hot the db meters on the deck so i match when the beats hit a peak

Posted by Ken_Allen on Oct-29-2004 21:53:

If you have traktor yes

Press the sync button & move the little arrow things to keep it perfect synced...Takes some practice though .

Posted by 3xx3r7 on Oct-30-2004 00:13:

Re: beatmatch without headphones?

quote:
Originally posted by spdandpwr
i am just curious if its possible to mix without headphones. i got pretty clost to it because i hot the db meters on the deck so i match when the beats hit a peak

What's the point?

Posted by djkoolaide on Oct-30-2004 01:55:

Uhm, I guess technically it's possible, but it'd be quite hard especially in a club environment.

Posted by djdk on Oct-30-2004 11:43:

Re: Re: beatmatch without headphones?

quote:
Originally posted by 3xx3r7
What's the point?

showing off?

Posted by Freak on Oct-30-2004 12:19:

I used to do this years ago to perfect my pitching accuracy and speed.
I still do it sometimes- i can picth just as fast as when i am wearning headphones to be honest
It helps you differentiate between different parts and use the monitors.
Try it- you may learn something. Obviously not playing out.

Posted by Jarjar on Oct-30-2004 13:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Ken_Allen
If you have traktor yes

Press the sync button & move the little arrow things to keep it perfect synced...Takes some practice though .

Hmm.
I've been using traktor for over a year and the sync meter works perfectly in about 1 in 50 tracks. Not that I care anymore though, since I train my real skills instead of using traktors displays (I use a program to cover up the BPM/sync meters, hide waveforms etc ).

Posted by Chris Allen on Oct-30-2004 19:38:

NEVER rely on the BMP counters on your mixer. It'll come out to bite you in the ass one day if you do. Do it by ear! You're not showing off not using headphones...

Posted by Ken_Allen on Oct-30-2004 20:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Jarjar
Hmm.
I've been using traktor for over a year and the sync meter works perfectly in about 1 in 50 tracks. Not that I care anymore though, since I train my real skills instead of using traktors displays (I use a program to cover up the BPM/sync meters, hide waveforms etc ).

I can keep a song in perfect sync for like an hour

Posted by Unknown DJ on Oct-30-2004 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Ken_Allen
I can keep a song in perfect sync for like an hour

how many rewinds do you need to do to do that?

Posted by Nemesis44 on Oct-31-2004 19:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Freak
I used to do this years ago to perfect my pitching accuracy and speed.
I still do it sometimes- i can picth just as fast as when i am wearning headphones to be honest
It helps you differentiate between different parts and use the monitors.
Try it- you may learn something. Obviously not playing out.

Freak actually makes a good point, as it's really good to get used to hearing the sound you are mixing in all sorts of different ways.
I sometimes mess with the master output too so that I get a really heavy bass loaded sound. Helps you deal with the clubs that have crap monitoring and a mixer that wont let you mix in phones.

Cheers
Nem

Posted by DjJade on Nov-01-2004 02:15:

you can also put your ear really close to the needle lol...

Posted by Ken_Allen on Nov-01-2004 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by DjJade
you can also put your ear really close to the needle lol...

Can't really get the bass & kick out of that

Posted by DjJade on Nov-01-2004 02:51:

well i dont listen to bass when i mix

Posted by tu_face on Nov-01-2004 15:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Ken_Allen
Can't really get the bass & kick out of that

but you can pick out highhats and other perc. i can do it so long as the monitors arn't too loud, its good if someone else is playing and you want to bugger about while they are using the headfones

again, not for use in a club

Posted by PVD fanatic on Nov-09-2004 15:22:

how exactly do you beatmatch if ur mixer doesn't allow you too? i mean, how do you know if your exactly correct , if you can't check through your headphones?

Posted by DjJade on Nov-09-2004 15:27:

i dont think the point is that a mixer does nto allow you to. i mean.. it does if you have vu meters on each channel. the point that beatmatching is a skill that a person can use in desperate situations. say... your headphones broke and you dont have a spare and you have like one mroe song to do... or say the system that you are playing on is really crappy and you would rather trust your eyes than to trust whatever is coming out of the monitors.

personally i think mixing in headphones is also a good skill in these types of situation. if i had bad monitors then i would jsut turn them off and use headphones. if the headphone monitor is bad.. of if the mixer itself is bad then i guess you cant really trust vu meters but i still see some good things that people can consider whilst using vu meters to mix.

Posted by D Dubya on Nov-09-2004 16:10:

Beatmatching without headphones is good for practice in the bedroom. There used to be a video -- i know its on here somewhere that features DJ 2nd Nature spinning hiphop on the new DVJ-X1 dvd tables. He doesn't use headphones at all and still even beatmatches certain parts of the music. It actually looks like a pre-made video instead of a live demonstration, but thats my opinion on it. Anyone else seen that?

Posted by PVD fanatic on Nov-09-2004 18:07:

so there are clubs out there that have mixers, that dont allow you to check on your beatmatching throught he headphones, before you fade in your track? How do you know exactly if your beatmatching is correct? I mean, only when you bring in the other track are u able to hear ur cued track?? WOW, that sucks... are there other ways to check on ur beatmatching besides that ?

Posted by D Dubya on Nov-09-2004 18:11:

quote:
Originally posted by PVD fanatic
so there are clubs out there that have mixers, that dont allow you to check on your beatmatching throught he headphones, before you fade in your track? How do you know exactly if your beatmatching is correct? I mean, only when you bring in the other track are u able to hear ur cued track?? WOW, that sucks... are there other ways to check on ur beatmatching besides that ?

I believe what they were talking about is that there are mixers that do not allow you to hear more than one channel at a time within the headphones. This just means you can't hear the beats placed over each other in the headphones. There is no mixer that doesn't allow monitoring of at least one channel because that would be utterly useless. A lot of mixers though do not allow you to hear 2 channels at the same time. This does not affect me at all usually since most of my monitoring is done on one channel anyways with a free ear to the speakers or booth monitor. Occasionally I will just monitor two channels simultaneously for a second to make sure the volume levels are correct and right-on.