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Iran: "Death to America."

Iran approves uranium enrichment
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/e...lear/index.html

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran's parliament Sunday unanimously passed a resolution allowing the government to continue its uranium enrichment activities, despite recent efforts by European negotiators to curb the program.

After the vote was passed, several lawmakers stood up and shouted: "Death to America."

Iran has previously stated its nuclear program is intended for peaceful civilian uses. The Iranians have said they have every right to resume enriching uranium.

Enriched uranium can be a fuel for both nuclear energy and atomic weapons.

European negotiators have recently engaged in talks with Iranian representatives in an attempt to ease fears in the United States and Europe that Iran is seeking to develop nuclear weapons.

Iran recently rejected proposals from European negotiators to indefinitely suspend its program in exchange for incentives.

During the talks in Vienna -- the headquarters of the United Nations' nuclear watchdog International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) -- negotiators for Britain, Germany and France offered to supply nuclear fuel for Iran's planned power plants, and to enhance trade and political relations.

The proposals were a last ditch effort before the next meeting of the Board of Governors of the IAEA scheduled for November 25.

Iran's Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) reported the Iranian delegates told the Europeans that "restricting Iran's access to nuclear technology marks a red line for the country and it would not be acceptable at all."

What's good for the US, Israel, France, China, North Korea, and Russia isn't good for Iran? I say eliminate all.

This is extremely simplistic but do what Israel did to Iraq, bomb the facilities. That seemed to work...or slow down the process anyway.

Iran will have them, its time the world gets used to that state of affairs.

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Its very likely that the US iraq war actually is causing the iranian program to speed up as a viable defense against a possible theat from israel or the US.

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Originally posted by PHALPAX This is extremely simplistic but do what Israel did to Iraq, bomb the facilities. That seemed to work...or slow down the process anyway.

The point is that they will get it,and I dont see why they cant have it really,if they wanna get rid of Irans Nuclear bombs they should destroy all of them including Isreal and U.S. .

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer The point is that they will get it,and I dont see why they cant have it really,if they wanna get rid of Irans Nuclear bombs they should destroy all of them including Isreal and U.S. .

then you have no respect for the weapon.

Iran with nuclear weapons is like giving a 5yr old a loaded shotgun. nothing good will come of it. they don't need it.

BTW Iran has learned from Iraq's mistakes regarding pre-emptive Israeli strikes. Israel took out one nuclear site in the middle of the desert realtively close them. Iran has 12 active/underconstruction nuclear sites scattered throughout the country with many hardened and underground research facilities location in question.

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Originally posted by Q5echo then you have no respect for the weapon. Iran with nuclear weapons is like giving a 5yr old a loaded shotgun. nothing good will come of it. they don't need it.

well, obviously iran has the same right to defend themself as the US have. I agree that it feels safer that the US has WMD than iran, but i still think it is quite narrow minded to say that US could have, but no other countries.

There is a big difference in a peaceful country having nuclear weapons and a rogue nation having them. A rogue nation will use them for blackmail, will use them as a deterrent to do anything they wish, as a way of seeking more power than they deserve, and as a way to spread the technology to terrorists.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil There is a big difference in a peaceful country having nuclear weapons and a rogue nation having them. A rogue nation will use them for blackmail, will use them as a deterrent to do anything they wish, as a way of seeking more power than they deserve, and as a way to spread the technology to terrorists.

how many wars have the US been in lately? how many wars has iran been in lately?

How many of these wars have we used nuclear technology? How many of these wars have we made threats of nuclear war? How many of these wars have we proliferated nuclear technology? How many of these wars have we use nuclear technology for blackmail or defense purposes?

Don't forget the rest of the countries who have nuclear weapons, the United States isn't the only one. I figured someone would bring the US up however.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew how many wars have the US been in lately? how many wars has iran been in lately?

apples and oranges, man.

you, as a western European, should be able to appreciate strategic nuclear deterence. especially when the parties involved have shown the level of responsibility they've had for the last half century.

how many wars have we used nuclear weapons in when we had them? that was our first one wasn't it?

now Iran has nukes. (waiting for their first war with them) nuh-uh! not gonna do it! it's frikken Iran, dude!

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil How many of these wars have we used nuclear technology? How many of these wars have we made threats of nuclear war? How many of these wars have we proliferated nuclear technology? How many of these wars have we use nuclear technology for blackmail or defense purposes? Don't forget the rest of the countries who have nuclear weapons, the United States isn't the only one. I figured someone would bring the US up however.

well, i dont think Iran has threatened anyone more than the US or Israel has with their nuclear weapons (or any other country with nuclear weapons either really?)...

its just a way for them to make it harder for US or Israel to invade them, and i fully understand them... although i agree that it feels unsafe that they do have them and I think the UN should do everything to make them not have them... actually that is for every country with nuclear weapons, the world would be a safer place without any

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Originally posted by St_Andrew well, obviously iran has the same right to defend themself as the US have. I agree that it feels safer that the US has WMD than iran, but i still think it is quite narrow minded to say that US could have, but no other countries.

Let's be mindful there�s a difference between a democratic republic having nukes and a radical Islamic theocracy having nukes. Besides that point, why does Iran need nuclear weapons? The U.S. needed them and still needs them as a deterrent against powers such as Russia, China and North Korea. What immediate military threat does Iran have? And I can say the U.S. isn't particularly interested in invading Iran anyway (Iraq has more oil ).

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil How many of these wars have we used nuclear technology? How many of these wars have we made threats of nuclear war? How many of these wars have we proliferated nuclear technology? How many of these wars have we use nuclear technology for blackmail or defense purposes?

so because it is "Iran" it means they cant have it,Pakistan has them and they have Al Quada in the country,Isreal has them,but since they are tight with the US they can have them.A premptive strike on Iran wont solve anything,it'll make a better case for them to actually get nuclear bombs.
Also attacking Iran will distabilize the region even more.specially Iraq.

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Originally posted by PHALPAX And I can say the U.S. isn't particularly interested in invading Iran anyway (Iraq has more oil ).

you are right,it is all about protecting Isreal,and Isreal sees Iran as a major threat.

let's not forget taht india has them too. the only sensible solution is not proliferation, but disarment, and the US adminstration hasn't done anything or very little on that issue.

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Originally posted by Q5echo apples and oranges, man. you, as a western European, should be able to appreciate strategic nuclear deterence. especially when the parties involved have shown the level of responsibility they've had for the last half century.

As i pretty much said in the other post, yes, i agree, the world is less safe with one more country with nuclear weapons. But as an Iranian i would definitely think i would have as much right to have nuclear weapons esp since you just invaded the country next to it.

as a western european tho, i certainly feel a lot safer that the US have nuclear weapons than iran..., since the US have pretty much the same way of thinking as me..

trying to see it out of their perspective tho, i think they have the same right as you to have it, IE if they are going to destroy their weapons, i think the US should do it too.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer you are right,it is all about protecting Isreal,and Isreal sees Iran as a major threat.

On that note, I'm not in favor of Israel of having nuclear weapons either.

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Originally posted by PHALPAX Let's be mindful there�s a difference between a democratic republic having nukes and a radical Islamic theocracy having nukes. Besides that point, why does Iran need nuclear weapons? The U.S. needed them and still needs them as a deterrent against powers such as Russia, China and North Korea. What immediate military threat does Iran have? And I can say the U.S. isn't particularly interested in invading Iran anyway (Iraq has more oil ).

bah, i wont write the same thing a third time, so read my other posts

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange let's not forget taht india has them too. the only sensible solution is not proliferation, but disarment, and the US adminstration hasn't done anything or very little on that issue.

http://www.indianembassy.org/press_...2004/sep/17.htm

if we were blessed with a relationship with Iran like we do India, then we wouldn't be discussing this.

try stick with your other shortsided attacks on my administration

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Originally posted by St_Andrew As i pretty much said in the other post, yes, i agree, the world is less safe with one more country with nuclear weapons. But as an Iranian i would definitely think i would have as much right to have nuclear weapons esp since you just invaded the country next to it. as a western european tho, i certainly feel a lot safer that the US have nuclear weapons than iran..., since the US have pretty much the same way of thinking as me.. trying to see it out of their perspective tho, i think they have the same right as you to have it, IE if they are going to destroy their weapons, i think the US should do it too.

I agree that if I was Iran, I would feel insecure right now seeing that the U.S. is in Iraq and Afghanistan. But honestly, their point of view is irrelevant on the issue of nuclear weapons (I emphasize nuclear weapons, not necessarily nuclear technology). In the grand view of things, there�s no genuine �right� for a nation to have nuclear weapons. Any nation can claim a right for nuclear weapons under the guise of defense. Just ask Kim Jong ll

Death to America? that is most definitely a threat
especially on the passing of a nuclear enrichment program

wtf are they thinking?

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Originally posted by NiteKiD Death to America? that is most definitely a threat especially on the passing of a nuclear enrichment program wtf are they thinking?

I know it's f**kin crazy, huh?

and people complain we shouldn't have nukes in the first place.
that kind of thinking get mutherf**kers killed.

....and what did the US adminstration do to prevent this?

What did it do to prevent further proliferation?

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Pakistan, India, N. Korea aquire nukes on this administration's watch? Or was that unde the previous US adminstration?

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange ....and what did the US adminstration do to prevent this? What did it do to prevent further proliferation? ****silence****

WTF?

if your referring to India, talk to Clinton.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20010901fareviewessay5575/sumit-ganguly/behind-india-s-bomb-the-politics-and-strategy-of-nuclear-deterrence.html

the U.S. has always been at the forefront of making peace and properity with countries that want nukes.

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