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The Price of Liberty

I had to go vote at the american consulate this morning (in Toronto). After getting there an hour early (I forgot to change the time on my alarm clock after daylight savings time), I get all my crap done there but they tell me that I have to courier my ballot to MY polling station, which is in California.. and it has to be there by tomorrow. So it looks like the price of liberty and freedom in the US is $28.92. Bollocks to that!

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict I had to go vote at the american consulate this morning (in Toronto). After getting there an hour early (I forgot to change the time on my alarm clock after daylight savings time), I get all my crap done there but they tell me that I have to courier my ballot to MY polling station, which is in California.. and it has to be there by tomorrow. So it looks like the price of liberty and freedom in the US is $28.92. Bollocks to that!

If you are voting Kerry, I plead that you send your ballot!!!!

I think out of the two, Kerry should win, and he needs all the votes he can get. Please send it!

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Originally posted by Theresa If you are voting Kerry, I plead that you send your ballot!!!! I think out of the two, Kerry should win, and he needs all the votes he can get. Please send it!

Haha, no i'm not voting for kerry.. the avatar and sig are just a clever disguise

I'm registered in California, and kerry is going to win there easily.. but i'm still sending in my vote.. I'm actually getting it couriered from the firm i work at. That way it gets deducted from my paycheck, instead of having to pay for it upfront.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Haha, no i'm not voting for kerry.. the avatar and sig are just a clever disguise I'm registered in California, and kerry is going to win there easily.. but i'm still sending in my vote.. I'm actually getting it couriered from the firm i work at. That way it gets deducted from my paycheck, instead of having to pay for it upfront.

YAY!!!!!! GO KERRY!!

I REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY hope he wins

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Originally posted by Theresa YAY!!!!!! GO KERRY!!

Even though, for all intents and purposes , I live in Canada, I couldn't bare to see 4 more years of idiocy

www.badnarik.org

:P

Anyone but Bush....

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Even though, for all intensive purposes, I live in Canada, I couldn't bare to see 4 more years of idiocy

I hear ya!

I one thousand million kajillion percent agree with that.

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Originally posted by placebo www.badnarik.org :P Anyone but Bush....

HAhahaha +99

That's who I voted for!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On That's who I voted for!

That's a great way to throw your vote away... n00b

At least you didn't vote for Bush... florida is a swing state afterall

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict That's a great way to throw your vote away... n00b

But, I voted for who I thought would be the best President. Isn't that what the whole point of it is? I couldn't give a rat fuck about whether or not my vote counts or not - if you have that sort of defeatist attitude, you might as well not vote at all.

I'm not into 'choosing sides' in order to make the next leader of the Executive branch - it's people like you who proliferate the strictly 2-party system of Government the US has, and by many accounts, people are very sick of all that bullshit...t00l.

I'm not a "defeatist".. I'm just a realist.

Do you think your "candidate" will even get enough votes to ensure funding from the government for his party (5%).. yeh didn't think so. Vote for whomever you want, but there is no escaping the two party system until legislation changes it. Fat chance of that happening. No, the US doesn't have a perfect democracy, that's why you have to make your vote count. It has been described as the lesser of two evils, but really you are voting for a party and it's policy, not for a specific candidate.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict I'm not a "defeatist".. I'm just a realist. Do you think your "candidate" will even get enough votes to ensure funding from the government for his party (5%).. yeh didn't think so. Vote for whomever you want, but there is no escaping the two party system until legislation changes it. Fat chance of that happening. No, the US doesn't have a perfect democracy, that's why you have to make your vote count. It has been described as the lesser of two evils, but really you are voting for a party and it's policy, not for a specific candidate.

You're just mad that we didn't vote for Kerry.

Thats how it is, people want you to vote, until they find out you don't want to vote for their candidate. Then they get pissed off.

Hilarity ensues.

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Originally posted by placebo You're just mad that we didn't vote for Kerry. Thats how it is, people want you to vote, until they find out you don't want to vote for their candidate. Then they get pissed off. Hilarity ensues.

Haha, although I care how people vote, I recognize their right to choose. That said, I find I pretty sad that people actually think that voting for a third party candidate (especially one who has no chance to win and who has no real platform..) will be effective at all. It's pretty uneducated if you ask me

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Haha, although I care how people vote, I recognize their right to choose. That said, I find I pretty sad that people actually think that voting for a third party candidate (especially one who has no chance to win and who has no real platform..) will be effective at all. It's pretty uneducated if you ask me

people can vote for who the hell they want can they not? if a vote such as his is uneducated, you should be shouting at all the brits who voted UKIP in the european elections. they had no chance of winning, they will never get in office, but the whole point was that it was a protest vote, much like i presume this is.

if people wish to vote for someone other than the 2 main candidates, that is not uneducated. more power to them, and people voting as such will encourage 3 party politics, which is what the US is in desperate need of.

back on topic, that sucks that you had to pay to vote. they should be paying it for you!

1) I'm not really fermiliar with the UK voting system, but it's not a 2-party system is it?

2) I HATE the fact that the US is a two-party system, but until it's changed (which won't happen, since it has to be changed by legislation, and the legislative branch of the gov't is populated by YOU GUESSED IT democrats and republicans). Go vote for whomever you want....

3) Voting for candidates that have no representation in the house or senate is ludacris. If there was a system of proportional representation in place in the US, or even a mixed system, then voting for non-majority candidates would be feasible.

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Originally posted by tu_face back on topic, that sucks that you had to pay to vote. they should be paying it for you!

Yeh, the election is tomorrow, and California requires that all the absentee ballots be into the polling stations by the end of election day. It sucks because I sent in an application for an absentee ballot like 2 months ago, all filled out properly, and they sent me back the same application :-/. It said that it had to be in by Oct 26, but that's when I recieved it back in the mail.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict 1) I'm not really fermiliar with the UK voting system, but it's not a 2-party system is it? 2) I HATE the fact that the US is a two-party system, but until it's changed (which won't happen, since it has to be changed by legislation, and the legislative branch of the gov't is populated by YOU GUESSED IT democrats and republicans). Go vote for whomever you want.... 3) Voting for candidates that have no representation in the house or senate is ludacris. If there was a system of proportional representation in place in the US, or even a mixed system, then voting for non-majority candidates would be feasible.

we have a 3 party political system, with many smaller independant parties and even single candidates also within the system. there will never be legislation in the US for 3 party politics if nobody ever votes for people other than republicans or democrats, this is where i think you lot are stuck in a rut, anbd why i would encourage people to vote for others

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict 1) 3) Voting for candidates that have no representation in the house or senate is ludacris.

What does voting have to do with a rapper from Atlanta?



Ludicrous, perhaps.

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Originally posted by tu_face there will never be legislation in the US for 3 party politics if nobody ever votes for people other than republicans or democrats, this is where i think you lot are stuck in a rut, anbd why i would encourage people to vote for others

Yeh i hear yah, but the barrier to access for "other" parties is just too high. They need 5% of the popular vote to be recognized for public funding, so that would be like 13 million votes (something like that). Even if they attained this goal, they still need to actually get seats in the house and the senate (and they'll need more than 5% of the vote to do so). I think that the US voting system (2 party, electoral college) and represtation structure (single member plurality) needs a huge revamp.

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Originally posted by AwakenedAddict Yeh i hear yah, but the barrier to access for "other" parties is just too high. They need 5% of the popular vote to be recognized for public funding, so that would be like 13 million votes (something like that). Even if they attained this goal, they still need to actually get seats in the house and the senate (and they'll need more than 5% of the vote to do so). I think that the US voting system (2 party, electoral college) and represtation structure (single member plurality) needs a huge revamp.

totally agreed. maybe these 'rock the vote' people should concentrate on this as opposed to soley voter turnout.

maybe next elections eh?

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Originally posted by UWM What does voting have to do with a rapper from Atlanta? Ludicrous, perhaps.

sp so sue me! arg

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Originally posted by tu_face maybe next elections eh?

Yea I hear that every election year

I don't give a shit if a third party will ever be in office, I feel that if I vote for Bush or Kerry, I'm wasting my vote. Hence why I voted Libertarian.

That's why I like living in the US. You can put your 2 cents in.

Anyways, back on topic, 28 dollars to vote, thats hardcore.

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Originally posted by placebo Anyways, back on topic, 28 dollars to vote, thats hardcore.

Yeh, especially b/c kerry is going to win California easily. But I couldn't let the kerry-edwards alliance have a voter turnout of 0%

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