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Vote Kerry: Give Terrorism a Chance
From: WSJ Editorial Opinion Journal Page
Kerry Fails the Guantanamo Test
He promises he would weaken the fight against terrorism.
BY JOHN YOO
Tuesday, November 2, 2004 12:01 a.m. EST
September 11 made long-term strategy against terrorism the most important issue before our nation this election. President Bush has pursued clear, and at times unpopular, policies that use every possible tool against al Qaeda. In contrast, John Kerry, who talks tough, follows ideas that will weaken the United States in the fight against terrorism.
Mr. Bush has adopted a straightforward approach to preventing future terrorist attacks. He believes that the war on terrorism demands the use of all of war's weapons. By authorizing the CIA to target al Qaeda leaders, Mr. Bush is using force to attack terrorists and their networks abroad. By denying terrorists prisoner-of-war status under the Geneva Conventions, he has prevented terrorists from hiding behind the very laws of war they mock. By pushing the Patriot Act, President Bush enhanced the government's ability to disrupt another attack at home.
Mr. Kerry has responded by outflanking Mr. Bush rhetorically. In the last presidential debate, he repeated "kill" like a kid in love with a new word: "I have a plan that will help us go out and kill and find the terrorists, and I will not stop in our effort to hunt down and kill the terrorists." But aside from proposing new spending for searching containers at seaports, Mr. Kerry said precious little about what he would do if elected.
In fact, Mr. Kerry's policies will obstruct our ability to prevent future terrorist attacks. As a small, non-state network of religiously-motivated extremists, al Qaeda cannot be defeated on the battlefield by regular armed forces. Its operatives hide within our societies to launch surprise attacks on our civilians. Our only means for preventing future attacks, which could someday involve weapons of mass destruction, is to gain intelligence that permits pre-emptive action. Once attacks occur, it is too late.
Mr. Kerry's approach would directly undermine our ability to collect terrorist information. Take the Patriot Act, which expands government authority to conduct surveillance of suspected terrorists. The act made some significant changes to the system of secret courts, hearings and warrants for pursuing potential national security threats: It updated the standard for warrants to allow law enforcement and intelligence to cooperate, it allowed searches without immediate notice to the target, and it extended warrants to business records.
Although Mr. Kerry voted for the act, he has since changed his mind. During the primaries, he supported "replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time," and said that the act's best part is its 2005 sunset provision. According to news reports, he even compared use of the Patriot Act to the Taliban's repression of Afghans. Mr. Kerry now says that he would repeal the provisions for delayed-notice searches and demands for records. Sacrificing these important tools to please his party's civil-libertarian wing is not a successful strategy for a commander in chief.
Or consider the detention and trial of terrorists. Mr. Bush has declared that the conflict with al Qaeda is not governed by the Geneva Conventions, which apply only to international conflicts between states that have signed them. Since al Qaeda is not a nation-state, and its members flout the laws of war, Geneva regulates neither the detention nor the interrogation of its detainees. Mr. Bush has ordered that special military commissions may try terrorists for war crimes. As for Americans who join al Qaeda, such as dirty bomber Jos� Padilla, Mr. Bush has allowed their detention as enemy combatants.
Mr. Kerry sides against aggressive counterterrorism. Last month he announced that "a Kerry administration will apply the Geneva Conventions to all battlefield combatants captured in the war on terror." This reverses consistent U.S. policy since the Reagan administration to deny terrorists the legal status of honorable warriors. John Edwards has said that a Kerry administration would use the courts-martial that try U.S. servicemen, but not military commissions, for terrorists. This eliminates a significant American advantage in the war for information. Mr. Kerry's policy would prevent the U.S. from employing interrogation methods in Guantanamo Bay that go beyond polite conversation but fall well short of physical mistreatment. Under Geneva, a POW need only provide name, rank and serial number and cannot receive negative treatment for refusing to cooperate. At Guantanamo, by contrast, interrogators can reward cooperators with better food, more creature comforts and favorable plea bargains. Mr. Kerry's policy would dry up our most important method for stopping future terrorist attacks--gaining information from the terrorists themselves.
Mr. Kerry's position should, perhaps, come as no surprise. Important constituents such as lawyers, academics and civil-rights groups have bitterly opposed the military detention of terrorists and their designation as illegal combatants--to the point where many asked the Supreme Court that an American-born Saudi, captured in Afghanistan with a weapon, either be charged with a crime or freed. This represents a failure to recognize that the September 11 attacks began a war. Would a President Kerry continue to follow their advice?
These supporters will likely supply the cabinet and sub-cabinet officers who will develop anti-terrorism policy for a Kerry administration. Former Clinton officials have returned to develop the campaign's defense and terrorism policies. This provides little assurance that Mr. Kerry will follow through on his promise to "hunt down and kill the terrorists." Sandy Berger, the former Clinton national security adviser and potential Kerry Secretary of State, rejected four plans to assassinate Osama bin Laden. In one case, he apparently worried that bin Laden's capture could not meet the Fourth Amendment standards for an arrest. Other members of Mr. Clinton's legal and national security teams raised legal doubts about killing bin Laden. These officials would no doubt populate the Kerry White House and its State, Defense and Justice departments. That team had two presidential terms to destroy al Qaeda, but failed. They do not need a third.
Mr. Yoo, a law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, is a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a former Bush Justice Department official.
ahuh
Stupid people beleive stupid things. This terroist bullshit is another example.
As the report below indicates; stupid people love a foolish president.
http://americanassembler.com/featur...te_averages.htm
State Avg. IQ 2000
1 Connecticut 113 Gore
2 Massachusetts 111 Gore
3 New Jersey 111 Gore
4 New York 109 Gore
5 Rhode Island 107 Gore
6 Hawaii 106 Gore
7 Maryland 105 Gore
8 New Hampshire 105 Bush
9 Illinois 104 Gore
10 Delaware 103 Gore
11 Minnesota 102 Gore
12 Vermont 102 Gore
13 Washington 102 Gore
14 California 101 Gore
15 Pennsylvania 101 Gore
16 Maine 100 Gore
17 Virginia 100 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Gore
19 Colorado 99 Bush
20 Iowa 99 Gore
21 Michigan 99 Gore
22 Nevada 99 Bush
23 Ohio 99 Bush
24 Oregon 99 Gore
25 Alaska 98 Bush
26 Florida 98 Gore
27 Missouri 98 Bush
28 Kansas 96 Bush
29 Nebraska 95 Bush
30 Arizona 94 Bush
31 Indiana 94 Bush
32 Tennessee 94 Bush
33 North Carolina 93 Bush
34 West Virginia 93 Bush
35 Arkansas 92 Bush
36 Georgia 92 Bush
37 Kentucky 92 Bush
38 New Mexico 92 Gore
39 North Dakota 92 Bush
40 Texas 92 Bush
41 Alabama 90 Bush
42 Louisiana 90 Bush
43 Montana 90 Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 Bush
45 South Dakota 90 Bush
46 South Carolina 89 Bush
47 Wyoming 89 Bush
48 Idaho 87 Bush
49 Utah 87 Bush
50 Mississippi 85 Bush
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| Originally posted by Dave Piazza Stupid people beleive stupid things. This terroist bullshit is another example. As the report below indicates; stupid people love a foolish president. http://americanassembler.com/featur...te_averages.htm State Avg. IQ 2000 1 Connecticut 113 Gore 2 Massachusetts 111 Gore 3 New Jersey 111 Gore 4 New York 109 Gore 5 Rhode Island 107 Gore 6 Hawaii 106 Gore 7 Maryland 105 Gore 8 New Hampshire 105 Bush 9 Illinois 104 Gore 10 Delaware 103 Gore 11 Minnesota 102 Gore 12 Vermont 102 Gore 13 Washington 102 Gore 14 California 101 Gore 15 Pennsylvania 101 Gore 16 Maine 100 Gore 17 Virginia 100 Bush 18 Wisconsin 100 Gore 19 Colorado 99 Bush 20 Iowa 99 Gore 21 Michigan 99 Gore 22 Nevada 99 Bush 23 Ohio 99 Bush 24 Oregon 99 Gore 25 Alaska 98 Bush 26 Florida 98 Gore 27 Missouri 98 Bush 28 Kansas 96 Bush 29 Nebraska 95 Bush 30 Arizona 94 Bush 31 Indiana 94 Bush 32 Tennessee 94 Bush 33 North Carolina 93 Bush 34 West Virginia 93 Bush 35 Arkansas 92 Bush 36 Georgia 92 Bush 37 Kentucky 92 Bush 38 New Mexico 92 Gore 39 North Dakota 92 Bush 40 Texas 92 Bush 41 Alabama 90 Bush 42 Louisiana 90 Bush 43 Montana 90 Bush 44 Oklahoma 90 Bush 45 South Dakota 90 Bush 46 South Carolina 89 Bush 47 Wyoming 89 Bush 48 Idaho 87 Bush 49 Utah 87 Bush 50 Mississippi 85 Bush |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec so whats al bore been up to lately? besides campaigning in hawaii |
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| Originally posted by Dave Piazza Isnt it pathetic that you keeping trying to bump these Bush threads you created whilst my Kerry threads get much greater support and hits And you fail to make educated points in why we should support Bush. It is so obvious that he's an idiot that you cant defend him. |
he's desperate. clinching to a soon to be forgotten president in a world progressing past his own shallow perspective. good thing he's just a kid, cause i hate to see a grown man cry.
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec why even begin... You dont even post on these forums and have missed on thousands of topics |
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| Originally posted by ResonantDrag he's desperate. clinching to a soon to be forgotten president in a world progressing past his own shallow perspective. good thing he's just a kid, cause i hate to see a grown man cry. |
i know the feeling.. regardless what happens, friends?
i may have to join the party tonight around 1 or so.
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| Originally posted by ResonantDrag i know the feeling.. regardless what happens, friends? i may have to join the party tonight around 1 or so. |
Speedracer,
Your a true Texas man. Full of bullshit and empty ideas.
When I put forth detailed plans on how Kerry is better than Bush economically and socially ( see 2004 Ballot thread) you fail to discredit how economic theory favors Kerry. You fail to ratioanlize or convince others why Bush isnt a Fuck up.
You resort to childish Southern Texas behavior.
Go raise some cattle young man and leave the politics to us educated folk 
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| Originally posted by Dave Piazza Speedracer, Your a true Texas man. Full of bullshit and empty ideas. When I put forth detailed plans on how Kerry is better than Bush economically and socially ( see 2004 Ballot thread) you fail to discredit how economic theory favors Kerry. You fail to ratioanlize or convince others why Bush isnt a Fuck up. You resort to childish Southern Texas behavior. Go raise some cattle young man and leave the politics to us educated folk |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec Someone stole your funny. |
As a Catholic I support some of Bush's ideas. However, I do not believe Bush really understands Christ. Mr. Bush , a person who proclaims his faith to Jesus, yet supports efforts of war,deception, and disregard to the poor,elderly, and sick in the USA is NOT the person who walks in accord with Christ. Mr. Bush is not the compassionate conservative America yearns for. Mr.Bush fails to realize that his once strong political tool,religion,has been weaken by his actions over the last 4 years.
Americans will be heard in todays election and brighter future will be upon us November 3rd. 2004. It is time for compassion and understadning to come forth from the White House. It is time for change.
John F. Kerry is our man to lead us all to that better future.
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| Originally posted by Dave Piazza Agian you side track and ignore the isssues. If you are Mr. Texas please show us how Bush's plan will work economically in the USA. Please use accepted economic framework to make your pitch and not some bullshit you made up. Keep in mind I have an economics degree. And also please explain to me how as a Christian Bush's judgement to go war is ok in the faith? Isnt that kinda funny how he claims to be religious but acts like the Devil. Explain that Texas T The Catholic church did not support the war. Yet he thinks God said it was ok!!? He truely is a fool. |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec We've discussed this already..I dont know where have you been. 1) Raise minimum wage at least 50%. Your effective income will go down if you make more than minimum wage, inflation will occur, and the number of labor intensive US jobs will be at least slightly reduced. 2) Have the Gov't handle all health care issues. No more medical insurance, you will pay for it out of your checks each week. Roughly twice the amount you currently pay for SSI will be deducted. 3) Let the UN handle all the US foreign policy. The UN will decide when and where US forces will be deployed and what they will be used for. 4) Expanded affirmitive action programs. Will include more different groups, and more programs. Hiring at all companies, not just gov't jobs, reduced or eliminated fees for gov't programs, preferential enrollment at all educational institutions, etc. |
Speed, can you explain to me the prudence and wisdom of taking our eye off of the man that actually committed genocide on our soil for a man that had no ties to 9/11 in the first place, and was effectively contained by our sanctions? And can you further explain the fact that this genocidal maniac is still alive and apparently in good health clearly demonstrates our current Administration is strong on the war on terrorism?
Can you explain why our Vice President when he was working for Halliburton wanted to drop sanctions on Iran for business purposes only, when we full well knew Iran was harboring a slew of terrorist organizations including Al Qaeda, and was most certainly on our list of terrorist nations?
And finally, can you explain our Attorney General John Ashcroft's absolutely piss poor record of convicting known terrorists?
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec 1) Raise minimum wage at least 50%. Your effective income will go down if you make more than minimum wage, inflation will occur, and the number of labor intensive US jobs will be at least slightly reduced. |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Speed, can you explain to me the prudence and wisdom of taking our eye off of the man that actually committed genocide on our soil for a man that had no ties to 9/11 in the first place, and was effectively contained by our sanctions? And can you further explain the fact that this genocidal maniac is still alive and apparently in good health clearly demonstrates our current Administration is strong on the war on terrorism? Can you explain why our Vice President when he was working for Halliburton wanted to drop sanctions on Iran for business purposes only, when we full well knew Iran was harboring a slew of terrorist organizations including Al Qaeda, and was most certainly on our list of terrorist nations? And finally, can you explain our Attorney General John Ashcroft's absolutely piss poor record of convicting known terrorists? |
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| Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Speed, can you explain to me the prudence and wisdom of taking our eye off of the man that actually committed genocide on our soil for a man that had no ties to 9/11 in the first place, and was effectively contained by our sanctions? |
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And can you further explain the fact that this genocidal maniac is still alive and apparently in good health clearly demonstrates our current Administration is strong on the war on terrorism? |
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Can you explain why our Vice President when he was working for Halliburton wanted to drop sanctions on Iran for business purposes only, when we full well knew Iran was harboring a slew of terrorist organizations including Al Qaeda, and was most certainly on our list of terrorist nations? |
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And finally, can you explain our Attorney General John Ashcroft's absolutely piss poor record of convicting known terrorists? |
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| Originally posted by Dave Piazza You have no idea who I am. Look at my screen name carefully |
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| Originally posted by Shakka OMG, is that THE Dave Piazza that raped a 13 year old boy in the alley behind Uno's? |
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| Originally posted by Dave Piazza Speedracer, Your a true Texas man. Full of bullshit and empty ideas. When I put forth detailed plans on how Kerry is better than Bush economically and socially ( see 2004 Ballot thread) you fail to discredit how economic theory favors Kerry. You fail to ratioanlize or convince others why Bush isnt a Fuck up. You resort to childish Southern Texas behavior. Go raise some cattle young man and leave the politics to us educated folk |
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| Originally posted by speedracer_mec Your going to talk about sanctions? Did you read the dueffer report- section UN-food for oil scandal? or did you skip to the section about the WMD only? |
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| It speaks wonder to have a man who committed that crime send us a tape to influence our elections as opposed to bombing trains in Spain during their election? Can you explain why he didnt attack us now if he is at full capacity? A tape to influence our elections.....bahhhhh haha |
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| I dont like Cheney....But you talking about IRAN? did you want to pick a bone with a bigger dog? You libs argue about not going after Iran or N.Vietnam...so did you guys want a bigger war? |
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| Havent looked at it...I'll get back to you on that one. Now I'll get back to typing my paper |
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