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Guys let's be sensible about what we type.

We're here as a part of a generation of EDM listeners not

I repeat

NOT, to bash on one another's political views.

Whatever you support that's cool, let's just respect each other.

Anyway, if you got something intelligent to say about the current political situation that won't offend anyone type it in here otherwise just keep it to yourself.

kthxbye

P.S. My two cents - since Kerry supports Scientific Research and is willing to create more government grants for that area, and both of my parents are immunologists, I support him. However I believe the country can benefit from both candidates. I mean these guys graduated Yale and whatnot - you can't just sneak through Yale, even if you are an x-presidents son. So I believe each one of them is an intelligent human being with lots of good ideas, though Bush does struggle with wording them properly, but that's fine - there are many of us that can't word shit properly, just check out some threads.

that thread should die for being opened instead of beign a reply @ some other thread

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Originally posted by MatthewAdams that thread should die for being opened instead of beign a reply @ some other thread

too many to run through and there's no massreply option

i would merge them all, but if i did that it would create an uber-thread that would be undeletable without grinding the server to a halt for about 3 hours.

any further threads will be closed

edit: in fact, this can now be the trash can for all the election business.. i am comandeering your thread

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Originally posted by tu_face i would merge them all, but if i did that it would create an uber-thread that would be undeletable without grinding the server to a halt for about 3 hours. any further threads will be closed edit: in fact, this can now be the trash can for all the election business.. i am comandeering your thread

hooray, i did something positive

lol @ uber-thread

Ok, so back to the discussion I tried to start:

What do people think Kerry is gonna do? Be a man and admit defeat today so that the country can move on, or go democrat crybaby on us and drag things out until all provisional ballots are counted in Ohio?

Hell, at least Al Gore had some credibility to his challenge. After all, he was less than 1000 votes behind in the deciding state and he won the popular vote by a small margin.

I think if Kerry does not concede today he ends up looking like an idiot. He lost the national popular vote by 3.5 million votes and its all but impossible for provisional ballots to make up the 140,000 votes he is behind in Ohio.

Why go down in history as a bigger crybaby loser than Al Gore?

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Originally posted by XaNaX Ok, so back to the discussion I tried to start: What do people think Kerry is gonna do? Be a man and admit defeat today so that the country can move on, or go democrat crybaby on us and drag things out until all provisional ballots are counted in Ohio? Hell, at least Al Gore had some credibility to his challenge. After all, he was less than 1000 votes behind in the deciding state and he won the popular vote by a small margin. I think if Kerry does not concede today he ends up looking like an idiot. He lost the national popular vote by 3.5 million votes and its all but impossible for provisional ballots to make up the 140,000 votes he is behind in Ohio.

145,000 and you're right by all accounts he lost, but i think conceeding will make him look like a l0s3r too so he just sticks it out until the absentee/provisional ballots are in and then gives up but definitely NO RECOUNT this time around, that would just look stupid on his part

As much as i hate to agree. i do there's no way kerry is winning now. Anyways, i wonder when the US will bring the draft back. Ive never been alive with a draft in place. will be interesting to watch you all being dragged off to war. Good job voting for war.

I think we're at war whether we like it or not.
Terrorism is not going to pack up and go away if Kerry shows up in the office.
Personally I like the Soviet Union's policy on terrorism -
if you kidnap any of our country mates we find out who you are and kill your family - that's why they started wearing masks in decapitation videos

since 1997 (or something) there hasn't been a single russian captive in the middle east

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Originally posted by Mike_B As much as i hate to agree. i do there's no way kerry is winning now. Anyways, i wonder when the US will bring the draft back. Ive never been alive with a draft in place. will be interesting to watch you all being dragged off to war. Good job voting for war.

I doubt they will re-enact the draft, there are enough people in the Military right now, that one wouldn't need to be enacted yet.

I voted for Badnarik, even though there is no way he could EVER win. As long as our electoral system is the way it is, a 3rd party will NEVER win. People kept saying there were picking the "less of two evils", I say, "Why not vote for someone who isn't Evil?"

Oh well, I guess Bush won, I don't think Ohio is going to do much for Kerry, did he even get the popular vote there?

We are FUCKED for the next 30 years, not 4, if Bush wins and here's why.

It's 30 years and not 4 because of the Supreme Court. In this next four years, THREE justices will be either dying or retiring, including the chief justice. The next president will appoint new justices, and that will affect our next 30 years. Needless to say Bush will appoint Justices with similiar values to his own and with the Republican control of both House and Senate, whoever Bush appoints will be guaranteed.

Hope everyone likes ultra right winged conservatism.

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Originally posted by Aristronica I think we're at war whether we like it or not. Terrorism is not going to pack up and go away if Kerry shows up in the office. Personally I like the Soviet Union's policy on terrorism - if you kidnap any of our country mates we find out who you are and kill your family - that's why they started wearing masks in decapitation videos since 1997 (or something) there hasn't been a single russian captive in the middle east

No Russia just gets terrorised from the inside by Chechen rebels trained by Islamist. must better situation there

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Originally posted by Mike_B No Russia just gets terrorised from the inside by Chechen rebels trained by Islamist. must better situation there

yeah actually they were trained by us (as in russia), they were used as militarists starting with the czars, just after WWII they wanted independence and we said "fuck you, you got oil ties"

in all cases it's a political war, we could easily go in there and destroy all that garbage but we keep plucking away, cuz there's no better solution

and i'll be darned if the state cares about the people unless it's to better their image or look scary to others

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Originally posted by Scottaculous We are FUCKED for the next 30 years, not 4, if Bush wins and here's why. It's 30 years and not 4 because of the Supreme Court. In this next four years, THREE justices will be either dying or retiring, including the chief justice. The next president will appoint new justices, and that will affect our next 30 years. Needless to say Bush will appoint Justices with similiar values to his own and with the Republican control of both House and Senate, whoever Bush appoints will be guaranteed.

yup your right. Its gonna be a nice downhill for human rights and liberty in the State for the next few decades. I find it weird how its like a step in the opposite direction from where most democratic nation are heading. Most Democrotie are passing legislation for legalisation of drugs, gay marrige, all kinds of liberal rights. The Unite State because of large Republican representation is diong just the opposite.

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Originally posted by Scottaculous We are FUCKED for the next 30 years, not 4, if Bush wins and here's why. It's 30 years and not 4 because of the Supreme Court. In this next four years, THREE justices will be either dying or retiring, including the chief justice. The next president will appoint new justices, and that will affect our next 30 years. Needless to say Bush will appoint Justices with similiar values to his own and with the Republican control of both House and Senate, whoever Bush appoints will be guaranteed. Hope everyone likes ultra right winged conservatism.

you're making it sound like Bush will appoint fucking satan and his dark angels, dude they're still human being and will make smart decisions, he won't appoint some yokel from texas but qualified individuals, republican or not they will do their jobs to improve this country - they're not going in there with "ohh let's fuck everyone over" mentality

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Originally posted by Mike_B yup your right. Its gonna be a nice downhill for human rights and liberty in the State for the next few decades. I find it weird how its like a step in the opposite direction from where most democratic nation are heading. Most Democrotie are passing legislation for legalisation of drugs, gay marrige, all kinds of liberal rights. The Unite State because of large Republican representation is diong just the opposite.

we will be alot more conservative though, you're right on that

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Originally posted by Aristronica yeah actually they were trained by us (as in russia), they were used as militarists starting with the czars, just after WWII they wanted independence and we said "fuck you, you got oil ties" in all cases it's a political war, we could easily go in there and destroy all that garbage but we keep plucking away, cuz there's no better solution and i'll be darned if the state cares about the people unless it's to better their image or look scary to others

If this was 50 years ago before the UN and media was properly established, you could be ganrantied Russia would of massacared the Chechens to shut them up. With the world watching your every step its sure harder to just go in and slaughter a people. Even if they are full of crazy suicidal radicals bent on Terrorism.

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Originally posted by Mike_B If this was 50 years ago before the UN and media was properly established, you could be ganrantied Russia would of massacared the Chechens to shut them up. With the world watching your every step its sure harder to just go in and slaughter a people. Even if they are full of crazy suicidal radicals bent on Terrorism.

well put

I'm just curious why the majourity of the people who voted yesterday, said no on letting gay people get married?

*shrugs*

I'm not Gay, but like, I don't know why anyone would care if Gays wanted to marry?? Why are we even voting on that?

I guess its that "hardcore Christian" mentality.

I think the democratic party as a whole should stand up and take notice at this election.

The fact that George Bush was able do beat Kerry by 3.5 million votes during a time when gas is $2 a gallon most places, the economy is in a shaky recovery, jobs have not fully recovered, WMD has not been found in Iraq, and Bin Laden has not been captured shows that the American public has no confidence in the democrats.

The real problem here is trust and I think that most people dont trust Kerry or the democrats.

In Congress the republicans picked up 2 more seats in the Senate and 10 seats in the House. The Senate minority leader lost his seat, when the hell is the last time that happened?

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Originally posted by placebo I'm just curious why the majourity of the people who voted yesterday, said no on letting gay people get married? *shrugs* I'm not Gay, but like, I don't know why anyone would care if Gays wanted to marry?? Why are we even voting on that? I guess its that "hardcore Christian" mentality.

it's cuz married couples get tax breaks and other goodies from the government (better welfare and social security), and some people just don't deem them worthy of that, the whole marriage part doesn't matter it's how it legally changes your situation within the state and country

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Originally posted by placebo I'm just curious why the majourity of the people who voted yesterday, said no on letting gay people get married? *shrugs* I'm not Gay, but like, I don't know why anyone would care if Gays wanted to marry?? Why are we even voting on that? I guess its that "hardcore Christian" mentality.

I heard Howard Stern comment on this a while back and I like his position. I don't remember the exact quote, but the jist of it was:

"Straight people have been subjected to the institution of marriage for centuries. I think its about time that we subject gay people to it as well"

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Originally posted by Aristronica it's cuz married couples get tax breaks and other goodies from the government (better welfare and social security), and some people just don't deem them worthy of that, the whole marriage part doesn't matter it's how it legally changes your situation within the state and country

Deem then worthy of it. lol Im not gay either but common. i mean who cares what they do. Goerge Bush called gay marriage an attack on Strait families. Gimmy a break its not like gay ppl are gonna magicly cause strait ppl to get divorsed. Problem is that the marrige Bush is talking about and thinking about are not the same. What he's talking about is married by law, the other that he's thinking of in By god in a church. Not the same thing at all. And you're right Gay ppl what to get married for the reason stated above. I mean would you. Imagine your wife, falls sick and is lying on her death bed. But they wont let you in cause you're not familly. This to us is unbeleivable. Well gay ppl have to deal with that becaue they aren't technicly married by law, they aren't familly. I think this is ridiculus. who cares what others do. Keep your religion to yourselves and don't push it on others. State and religion should not be together, they have nothing to do with each other

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Originally posted by Mike_B Deem then worthy of it. lol Im not gay either but common. i mean who cares what they do. Goerge Bush called gay marriage an attack on Strait families. Gimmy a break its not like gay ppl are gonna magicly cause strait ppl to get divorsed. Problem is that the marrige Bush is talking about and thinking about are not the same. What he's talking about is married by law, the other that he's thinking of in By god in a church. Not the same thing at all. And you're right Gay ppl what to get married for the reason stated above. I mean would you. Imagine your wife, falls sick and is lying on her death bed. But they wont let you in cause you're not familly. This to us is unbeleivable. Well gay ppl have to deal with that becaue they aren't technicly married by law, they aren't familly. I think this is ridiculus. who cares what others do. Keep your religion to yourselves and don't push it on others. State and religion should not be together, they have nothing to do with each other

they have nothing to do with each other, but they have to work together

as the double headed eagle of the russian federation (avatar) would point out that

though these two totally different things are opposites of each other they must work for the same body - the country itself

also - there isn't an unlimited amount of tax breaks, if gay couples start getting them, straight ones might miss out and so they vote against gay couples

politics comes down to money, which really sucks at times

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Originally posted by placebo I'm just curious why the majourity of the people who voted yesterday, said no on letting gay people get married? *shrugs* I'm not Gay, but like, I don't know why anyone would care if Gays wanted to marry?? Why are we even voting on that?

I have serious issues with this. However, since in these states it was a decision that was left up to a vote I can't condemn our current government and their stance on it. The constitution guarantees us freedom of religion, and if more conservative Christians are getting out to the polls and voting (which is obvious by the overall popular vote) then issues such as this are obviously going to have these results. Fortunately this isn't a nationwide law approved by the White House (yet), or I could go into a long rant on the freedom of religion thing ...

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