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Reasons for trance vs hip hop popularity
Personally I think part of the reason that hip hop enjoys such a following is that it's easier to get into than trance.
Just to start.. This is not a one is better than the other discussion, it is simply stating reasons as to why one is different from the other
Hip hop has more of a universal party atmosphere. There are words and anyone can sing along. The DJ can do more with the songs tricks wise to involve the crowd. Can't do that with trance. It's also much easier to recognize an artist and track title, making it easier for people to go out and get. Also, it's quicker. If you don't like one song there's a good possibility the next song may be totally different.
With trance, at least from a tru trance perspective, the songs will take a while to develop and climax and then the next song usually does the same thing with a different, but similar song.
Dance/house music kind of strattle the gap between these two offering combinations of all the different aspects of both genres.
Trance is more personal/spiritual. It takes more of an understanding and development to like it. Especially(gonna get flamed for this one) much of it is sooooo boring. I am extremely affected by music and anything without a lot of energy bores me, puts me in a bad mood. it's very hard to know who did what song; which can hinder popularity.
Can't sing to it, even if it has vocals because most people would sound out of tune.
I love EDM and hip hop. I grew up listening to Freestyle(dance) and Miami booty/bass. I get a totally different highs from each of them. Booty and Freestyle get me goin nuts and woo hoo; whereas as trance is more of a driving powerful feeling.
Craig
why do people have to keep pointing out distinctions/ advantages of hip hop and trance??every time i come on here theres a thread about hip hop and why it is shit or why it is different to trance.
wheres the link except they are both made with drum machines?
i really dont understand
true, but youre making the fallacy jump of comparing large genres against each other...
is Toca Me (I need a miracle) difficult for people to like if the know nothing about trance? Nelly for hip hop?
there isnt a true reason that one is more popular, it just happens to depend on the effort one expounds to find music. and there isnt too much effort in the US to find EDM, and hip hop is everywhere.
basically tho, music without lyrics hasnt been popular in the US since the 1920s - and that doesnt seem likely to change soon|
For one thing, as I said in my first post, I wasn't saying which one was better or worse....
I was elaborating on why one is more popular than the other.
Another thing. I am bored at work, so I thought I would do something constructive and when I'm tapping away at the keyboard, it sounds like I'm busy!
If you can get to a base as to why something is, then you can affect a change or help others affect a change to it.
I tend to have a little more perspective than many people on this board because of my musical background. I have been exposed to both genres; more so than many on this board who argue over this subject and enjoy both genres and do not give bias to either one. So I would think based on that I would provide a more valid explanation.
As conceited as that sounds, it is true.
Craig
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| Originally posted by Hyoctane For one thing, as I said in my first post, I wasn't saying which one was better or worse.... I was elaborating on why one is more popular than the other. |
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| If you can get to a base as to why something is, then you can affect a change or help others affect a change to it. I tend to have a little more perspective than many people on this board because of my musical background. I have been exposed to both genres; more so than many on this board who argue over this subject and enjoy both genres and do not give bias to either one. So I would think based on that I would provide a more valid explanation. |
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| Originally posted by svens_bath all i want to know is why people who post on tranceaddict feel the need to say why trance is better or worse or different from hiphop? its a different form of music, which loads of people , including myself, enjoy. lets just leave it at that. |
I think it's cuz hiphop music is always on tv - trance isn't. Plus in lil clubs(where youngies always goes), where most important stuff is to make money, it's always playin pop/hiphop music, it's pretty hard to hear a real trance, and if you don't hear it, you can't fall in love with it IMO
perhaps, but its the fact thats its always hip hop these people are comparing trance with..as if its some kind of natural opposite of trance. dont see the connection myself.
Good points, but in my opinion what you just said was a long, drawn-out version of the phrase "personal taste."
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| Originally posted by svens_bath perhaps, but its the fact thats its always hip hop these people are comparing trance with..as if its some kind of natural opposite of trance. dont see the connection myself. |
Why "mainstream" hip hop is popular - It's pop(ular) music, older, and has a huge cultural history and following
Why epic/anthem trance is popular - It's pop(ular) music and people are stupid, mostly because they don't think it's pop(ular) music
Hip-hop is just more commercialized. There is more exposure via radio, MTV, etc... A lot more money is put into promoting hip-hop, whereas EDM is more underground, although it is becoming more commercialized. I don't really know how I feel about that. It has it's pluses and it's minuses.
Another thing is that you have to like trance for the pure sound of it.
People can relate(either from experience or imagination) to other forms of music, especially hip hop. You can't do that with EDM.
Other forms of music tell stories, trance does not.
Like I said in first post. EDM for the most part is deeper... It's harder to get into. It is meant to evoke a feeling. The information transferred takes longer to decode. Just like anything that needs effort, only people who like it will do it.
Yes commercialization has some effect, but whenever I go shopping all I hear is EDM in the stores, at least on South Beach and other places in FL. One funny thing.
When the hip hop stations are talking, they have EDM playing in the background lol.
Craig
Hip hop is also a product. It's been packaged by MTV and sold to young people (18-24). Especially with the videos, it's easy to see why it is such an effective product. I would say 50-70% of all hip-hop videos involve booty shaking girls to some degree or another so guys will watch it. Hip hop is also a huge purveyor of materialism. Highlighted in the use of flashy cars and lots of diamonds.
But just like every other genre of music, hip hop is a phase. If you track MTV from its start in '81, you'll see that it shifts its style of music. Whether MTV dictates what's "popular" or just reacts to what it thinks its audience wants is another discussion. My opinion is that the two effects work in tandem.
Don't get me started on what I think of hip hop.
Hip Hop is not easier to get into, I mean, we aren't 2 year children learning to walk, you don't need to listen to a certain amount of a genre of music to like it ffs.
Hyoctane, the information takes longer to decode?
Its not the Matrix, its music.
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What I meant by decode was that trance is a deeper music. Music is meant to be enjoyed. It takes longer; whether it be in any given song or the whole genre for that matter, to develop that enjoyment with trance.
People will not always give it a chance because it takes longer at any given time to derive enjoyment out of the music. All many people say is "it's the same constant beat the whole time" They don't here enough variety or let enough time pass to hear the "whole" of it.
Whereas with hip hop, its "fun" right from the get go and keeps that energy the whole time.
The packaging and materialism(superficial, not deep like trance like I've been saying the whole time) was a good point.
Craig
Most generic trance poo released nowadays is just as easy to 'decode', to put it in your words.
commercial hiphop is just as hated amongst true hiphop fans as commercial trance is hated amongst true trance fans
commercial hiphop is CRAP
i love hiphop just as much as i love progressive and trance, in fact i would say that these days, i listen to hiphop more than i do trance
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| Originally posted by serp i love hiphop just as much as i love progressive and trance, in fact i would say that these days, i listen to hiphop more than i do trance |
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| Originally posted by bananas that is really sad my friend.. |
Even some people who listen to commercial rap/hiphop don't/won't listen to the underground.
The best answer is, some people are tools, and they don't care what others think.
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| Originally posted by bananas that is really sad my friend.. |
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| Originally posted by bananas that is really sad my friend.. |
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| commercial hiphop is just as hated amongst true hiphop fans as commercial trance is hated amongst true trance fans |
a lot of ppl just don't have the attention span for edm, they think it's just the same sound repeated over and over which is why they need lyrics in the music they listen to
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