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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3984469.stm
Letter threat to Dutch politician
By Geraldine Coughlan
BBC, The Hague
A letter left on the body of murdered Dutch film-maker Theo van Gogh contained death threats against a Dutch politician, the justice minister says.
Piet Hein Donner said the letter, pinned to Mr van Gogh's body with a knife, was "a direct warning" to the liberal deputy Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Mr van Gogh was shot dead in Amsterdam on Tuesday.
Nine suspects, all believed to be radical Islamists, have been arrested in connection with the murder.
Mr Donner said the letter was signed by an unknown group.
Ms Hirsi Ali is a Somalian refugee who wrote the script to Mr van Gogh's controversial film Submission, which criticises the treatment of women under Islam.
Mr van Gogh, the great-great-nephew of the 19th-century artist Vincent van Gogh, received death threats after the film was broadcast on national television in August.
Koranic verses
The letter threatened to bring down "non-believers".
It was typed in Dutch and contained Koranic verses written in Arabic and translated into Dutch.
Another letter found with a suspect arrested in the case is a farewell letter stating that he is prepared to die as a martyr for his faith.
The authorities are investigating possible links between the nine suspects who have been arrested and foreign terrorist groups, including those responsible for the Casablanca bombings in May last year.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3982537.stm
China's minority fears
By Tim Luard
China's biggest known outbreak of ethnic violence in recent memory has re-awoken some of its communist leadership's worst fears.
Five days of pitched battles between thousands of Hui Muslims and Han Chinese villagers in Henan province left at least seven people dead, the latest in a series of large-scale confrontations that have come to light in recent weeks.
Adding race and religion to an already explosive mixture of economic and social grievances, the Henan violence was also a stark reminder of the potential for chaos and fragmentation underlying China's seemingly unstoppable economic rise.
Relations between the majority Han community, who make up 93% of the population, and as many as 55 officially listed "national minorities" have always been sensitive.
For the ruling Communist Party, they are a potential source of danger to social stability, national unity and ultimately the very existence of the regime.
Often hidden in the past, these tensions are now bubbling to the surface, exacerbated by new problems associated with economic growth, such as the country's widening wealth gap and increased competition for scarce resources.
The migrant worker issue means that what used to be a local issue has now become a national one
Peter Ferdinand, Warwick University
"China is a very fractured and complex place and these are the kinds of local conflicts that can easily erupt into region-wide conflagrations," said Dru Gladney, Professor of Asian Studies and Anthropology at the University of Hawaii.
The Chinese government played down the ethnic dimension of last week's clashes, saying it was a problem "between villages", and was of no interest to foreigners.
"China is a country with many minorities," a foreign ministry spokeswoman said, "but we have a healthy and good policy towards them."
But what was particularly interesting about the latest incident was that it occurred right in the heart of China, Mr Gladney said.
Most of the country's ethnic groups live in the huge, resource-rich but sparsely populated border regions like Tibet and Xinjiang.
Resentment
The only exposure many Chinese have had to them in the past has been in the official media's carefully-posed pictures of exotically dressed tribal people attending the annual meeting of the National People's Congress in Beijing.
But the economic and social reforms of recent years have changed the whole context of ethnic relations, according to Peter Ferdinand, an East Asia specialist at Warwick University.
The reforms have included a major loosening of controls on people's movements, leading to the creation of a 200 million-strong army of migrant workers.
"The migrant worker issue means that what used to be a local issue has now become a national one," Dr Ferdinand said.
As well as sending delegates to China's rubber-stamp parliament, minority groups in many areas are offered preferential treatment in the form of less restrictive birth control policies and easier access to university and employment.
But decentralisation means a lessening of Beijing's power to ensure these rights are honoured.
Non-Han is automatically associated with barbarianism and a threat to China's territorial integrity
Wils Cheng, student
This has allowed provincial authorities to treat minorities less well than they used to, Dr Ferdinand said.
These privileges, originally designed to ensure compliance with Chinese rule, also cause resentment among ordinary Han Chinese.
An angry contributor to a Chinese website recently complained that police in the southern city of Shenzhen were afraid to arrest pickpockets belonging to the Uighur national group from Xinjiang - who look and sound more Turkish than Chinese - because it could cause "political trouble".
Ethnic minorities are often the victims of deep-seated prejudice, according to Wils Cheng, a student in Sweden of Chinese birth.
"There is a Uighur student here in my university, and she regards herself as East Turkish rather than Chinese. When I talked to other Chinese students about her, they expressed hostility and contempt towards her," he said.
Han Chinese generally associate racial diversity with chaos, he explained.
"Han is basically synonymous with unity and national integrity, while non-Han is automatically associated with barbarianism and a threat to China's territorial integrity," he said.
Another recent problem is that indigenous groups are increasingly being marginalised by Han migration.
This is especially the case in areas such as Tibet and Xinjiang, where religious and racial tensions are highest and Chinese troops guard constantly against separatist activities. Minorities are obliged to learn Chinese if they want better jobs, and are invariably shut out of positions of real power.
The central government's biggest fear is that these restive regions could tear away at the country's edges, much as the former Soviet Union was sundered apart, and as imperial China was divided in the past.
The People's Republic of China has been called the world's "last great multiethnic empire", raising questions about whether it will follow the Soviet example.
But the Han Chinese do have the advantage of being much more dominant in terms of overall numbers than were the Russians. And China's minorities are thinly scattered over a very wide area.
Unity and strength also become increasingly important as China grows more assertive about its position in the world.
"Increasing Chinese nationalism is unlikely to encourage a more generous policy towards whingeing minorities," said Warwick University's Dr Ferdinand.
Uh huh...and why must Islam be eliminated again?
easy killer, "radical" Islam must be eliminated
my president is doing every thing he can.
it's "Hard work" you know
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| Originally posted by Q5echo easy killer, "radical" Islam must be eliminated my president is doing every thing he can. it's "Hard work" you know |
"Radical" Islam, as well as "radical" christianity, as well as "radical" judaism and so forth should be eliminated. Shadowolf, if I've ever seen a racist bigot, you're it. How someone as ignorant as you is allowed to post on this forum is beyond me.
As for Q5echo, I was also referring to the lack of a qualifier in front of Islam in my previous question. At any rate, your president is doing an attrociously shitty job if that indeed is his goal.
i beg to differ, but i'm not a Muslem. so...
all i can say is almost a billion muslims have lived and still live in peace for the whole of last century.
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| Originally posted by Epicurus As for Q5echo, I was also referring to the lack of a qualifier in front of Islam in my previous question. At any rate, your president is doing an attrociously shitty job if that indeed is his goal. |
Huh...you obviously misconstrued my post...I don't see where in my above post I would have said something that would have prompted you to differ with me...
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| Originally posted by Q5echo easy killer, "radical" Islam must be eliminated my president is doing every thing he can. it's "Hard work" you know |
So who wants to place a bet on how long will it take for this to be closed?
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| Originally posted by Dunya LOL 'jews' should be eliminated. That is always what binladen Hamas Al zarqawi said. Almost the whole US is jewish. And I think it is not hard work to ride a plane in those buildings. The nazis dreamed about this oppurtunity. |
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| we're all waiting for your ideas then. |
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| Originally posted by Epicurus Huh...you obviously misconstrued my post...I don't see where in my above post I would have said something that would have prompted you to differ with me... |
So you actually think that the influence of radical Islam in the world has decreased, and that there is less of a threat from radical elements of Islam today than before 9/11 
Good Grief...
How ignorant is this thread?
I have friends of every race / religion / background you can think of and I simply don't understand all the hate.
Here in Toronto, we're the melting pot that most of America wishes it could be.
People from all over the world living in harmony (minus the haters).
But I've also found that those that are the most travelled are normally the most understanding when it comes to race relations.
Thank God for Canada! 
The original poster for this thread is from Canada. In fact, I think he's from Toronto. So don't pat yourself too hard on the back.
ShadoWolf, your two consecutive posts have no relation to each other. One talks about a dutchman murdered for speaking out about Islam and the other is about ethnic fighting in China where Muslims were involved. I'm sure the radical muslims in Holland weren't remotely related to the fighting in China involving an ethnic minority of Muslims. Based on these isolated incidents, you cannot make a general statement that Muslims in general are bad because they have communities elsewhere across the globe and murdering and fighting is not the norm. I suppose you haven't taken any logic courses in college.
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I think this is the first time that Smokeape has actually said anything constructive, and furthermore correct.
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| Originally posted by Epicurus The original poster for this thread is from Canada. In fact, I think he's from Toronto. So don't pat yourself too hard on the back. |
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| http://fai.showsit.info/ |
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| Originally posted by Epicurus I think this is the first time that Smokeape has actually said anything constructive, and furthermore correct. |
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| Well....it did disclaimer myself with, "minus the haters"... |
or smoking...
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