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nice pic

nice to whom? certainly not bush...

Lame

but i like this one better

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Lame post.

ure lame account?

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Originally posted by kamil ure lame account?

u lost your funny? go find it pls







-P.S. I deal with plenty of liberals on this forum....We argue, discuss, etc...which is fine. At the end of the day we get along.
I post garbage when neccessary and post arguments when needed......YOU however are the most pathetic loser on this forum. I had not seen you on this board during the entire campaign.

what constitutes you as such?

1. Your lame posts?
2. The length of your posts?
3. Hateful, Rude, Disgusting Language?
4. Your brain


Combine them 4 and you have a senseless trash.

END

your stupid, ive seen more shiteworthy posts by you than the local noob.

heres food for thought:

"I beleive in god. I beleive in respect for all people. Im religious. Hey, how are those fighter planes doing, are they ready to fire some missiles at innocent Iraqis?"

Looks like bush has "invasion" written all over his agenda, thats ok, hes just following an american trend:

1947 France Election Finance;
Economic Coersion Communism Wanted pro-USA government and French recolonisation of Vietnam.
1947 Italy Election Finance;
Economic Coersion Communism Wanted pro-USA and pro-business government.
1947 Greece Military Backing Communism Wanted pro-USA government and military bases.
1947 Philippines Election Finance None Military bases.
1948 Peru Military Backing None Control of government.
1948 Vietnam Military Backing Communism Support for French recolonisation. Fear of independent Vietnam.
1948 Nicaragua Military Backing None Pro-USA government and access to plantations.
1949 China Arms Sales;
Bombing Communism Access to a pro-USA and pro-business government.
1950 Colombia Food Aid Humanitarian Destruction of an agricultural rival.
1950 Korea Killing Civilians None Unknown.
1950 Puerto Rico Military Action None To crush independence movement.
1953 Philippines Election Finance None Wanted pro-USA government and military bases.
1954 Vietnam Military Backing Communism Fear of united and powerful independent country.
1955 Europe Election Finance None Wanted united pro-USA, pro-NATO and anti-socialist Europe.
1956 Egypt Sanctions Communism Country took ownership of its Suez Canal and opposed USA Middle East policy.
1957 Jordan Military Training None Wanted strong pro-USA government.
1958 Lebanon Military Action None Removal of anti-West dissidents.
1958 Indonesia Election Finance None Government is against USA business interests.
1958 Japan Election Finance None To keep pro-USA governments in power.
1959 Haiti Military Action None To crush rebellion against pro-USA government.
1959 Nepal Covert Action None To help pro-USA government win power.
1960 Congo Assassination None Wanted to remove popular and nationalist leader; access to minerals.
1960 Cuba Trade Embargo Communism Country using its resources for its own people.
1960 Iraq Destabilisation None Leader founds and supports OPEC.
1961 Cuba Secret Invasion None Country using its resources for its own people.
1961 Dominican Republic Assassination None Unknown.
1962 Vietnam Military Action Communism Country wanted unity and independence.
1962 Cuba Economic Sabotage None Country using its resources for its own people.
1962 Brazil Election Finance None Wanted pro-business government.
1962 Dominican Republic Political Coersion None Unknown.
1963 Iraq Assassination;
Intelligence Communism Previous government against USA oil interests; removal of dissidents.
1963 El Salvador Advisors Communism Removal of anti-USA dissidents.
1964 North Vietnam Bombing None Removal of independent government.
1964 South Vietnam Torture Training Communism Suppression of independence movements.
1964 Panama Military Action Law and Order Suppression of movement demanding return of canal.
1965 Vietnam Military Action Communism To keep the country from uniting.
1965 Dominican Republic Intervention Communism To keep elected leader from returning to power.
1965 Indonesia Intelligence Communism Removal of dissidents. Helping a pro-business regime.
1965 Laos Destabilisation;
Bombing Communism Denial of support for Vietnam.
1965 Thailand Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government; military bases.
1965 Peru Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1966 Vietnam Village Clearing;
Bombing Communism Political control of the country.
1966 Laos Bombing None Denial of support for Vietnam.
1966 Central Africa Finance None Access to uranium.
1966 Bolivia Election Finance None Access to minerals and oil.
1967 Vietnam Military Action Communism Political control of the country.
1967 Cuba Assassination None Removal of popular leader.
1968 Vietnam Village Clearing;
Bombing Communism Political control of country.
1969 Cambodia Secret Bombing None Denial of support for Vietnam.
1969 Vietnam Military Action Communism Political control of country.
1970 North Vietnam Bombing None Control of country.
1970 Uruguay Torture Training None To keep opposition from taking power.
1970 Oman Military Assistance None Unknown.
1971 Laos Invasion None Control of country.
1971 Vietnam Military Action None Control of country.
1972 North Vietnam Blockade;
Bombing None Control of country.
1972 Nicaragua Troops Business interests Support for business and pro-USA government.
1972 Australia Election Finance None Did not like Labour Party foreign policy.
1972 Iraq Aid to Kurds Humanitarian To destabilise Iraq as it had a quarrel with USA ally, Iran.
1973 Cambodia Bombing None Control of country.
1974 Vietnam Trade Embargo Communism The Vietnamese were winning against the USA.
1974 Zaire Military Aid None Control of resources.
1974 Portugal Election Finance None Did not want socialist government to take power.
1975 Vietnam Economic Attack Communism To stop country developing as a model for the region.
1975 East Timor Support of Invasion None Did not want a new independent state; oil.
1975 Iraq Change of Support None Kurdish rebels no longer of use.
1975 Morocco Support of Invasion None Morocco grants use of military bases in return.
1976 Indonesia Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1976 Philippines Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1977 Pakistan Military Aid None Support for unelected pro-USA government.
1977 Egypt Economic Coersion None To remove Egypt from the anti-Israel camp.
1977 Zaire Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1977 Indonesia Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1978 Guatemala Military Aid;
Economic Aid None Support for unelected pro-USA government.
1979 Iran Habouring Dictator None New government wants control of its resources, especially oil.
1979 Central Africa Economic Aid None Support for pro-business government.
1979 Afghanistan Military Aid Repel USSR To repel USSR and break their economy.
1979 Cambodia Aid to Khmer Rouge None To please new ally China; to antagonise Vietnam.
1979 Vietnam Economic Blockade Communism To stop country developing as a model for the region.
1979 Yemen Military Aid None To please ally, Saudi Arabia.
1980 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Stop opposition to pro-USA government.
1980 Honduras Troops Communism Protect resources and create anti-Nicaragua bases.
1980 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran Wanted to destabilise new anti-USA government of Iran.
1980 Cambodia Military Aid None To destabilise Vietnamese backed government and to please new ally, China.
1980 Italy Terrorism None To discredit socialist election candidates and to heighten fear of the USSR.
1980 South Korea Military Aid;
Political Support None Suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1981 Tanzania Economic Coersion Communism Wanted the country to change its economy to suit USA companies.
1981 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Stop opposition to pro-USA government.
1981 Libya Provocation Terrorism To destabilise an anti-West government.
1981 Indo-China Economic Coersion Communism To stop the independent development of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.
1982 Lebanon Troops Humanitarian To help Israel remove Palestinians.
1982 Guatemala Military Aid None To suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1982 South Africa Financial Aid Terrorism To help South Africa destabilise the region.
1982 Afghanistan Military Aid Communism To replace USSR backed government by the USA backed government.
1982 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran To support Iraq's war against the anti-USA government of Iran.
1983 Lebanon Troops;
Bombing Peace Keeping To ensure pro-USA factions won the civil war.
1983 Nicaragua Blockade;
Arming Rebels Communism To replace government with pro-USA regime.
1983 Zimbabwe Economic Coersion None Government had too independent foreign policy.
1984 Mozambique Economic Coersion Communism To stop support for democracy in South Africa.
1985 Lebanon Car Bomb Assassination To remove anti-Israel and anti-USA dissidents.
1985 New Zealand Economic Coersion None Country backed nuclear free Pacific.
1985 Chad Military Aid;
Financial Aid None Support for non-elected pro-USA regime.
1985 Honduras Military Aid;
Training Communism To destabilise elected government of Nicaragua.
1986 Nicaragua Military Aid Communism To destabilise elected government.
1986 Libya Bombing Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1987 Iran Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1988 Iran Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country.
1988 Iraq Military Aid Islamic Iran Support for Iraq in its war against Iran.
1988 Colombia Military Aid Drugs Support for pro-USA government.
1988 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Support for pro-USA government.
1988 Turkey Military Aid None Support for pro-USA government.
1989 El Salvador Military Aid Communism Support for pro-USA government.
1989 Panama Invasion;
Diplomatic Violation Drugs To ensure control over the Panama Canal.
1989 Cambodia Military Aid None To destabilise Vietnamese backed government and to please China.
1989 Libya Provocation Terrorism To destabilise the country because it is anti-USA and pro-Palestinian.
1990 Nicaragua Election Finance Communism To ensure that a pro-USA government was elected.
1990 El Salvador Military Training Communism Support of the pro-USA government.
1990 Guatemala Military Aid Communism Support for the pro-USA government.
1990 Bulgaria Election Finance Communism Did not want a socialist government in power.
1990 Germany Document Theft None Unknown.
1991 Iraq Invasion;
UN Violation;
Sanctions Free Kuwait To ensure that Iraq became less powerful.
1991 Philippines Disinformation None Military bases.
1992 Somalia Invasion Humanitarian To ensure that a pro-West government took control.
1992 Colombia Military Aid Drugs To remove anti-USA elements.
1992 Albania Election Finance Communism Did not want a socialist government in power.
1992 Angola Military Aid Communism Wanted access to oil and diamonds.
1993 Iraq Bombing UN Violations To ensure that Iraq does not flood the oil market, lowering the price.
1993 Cuba Trade Embargo Communism Country using its resources for its own people.
1994 Haiti Troops;
Document Theft Democracy To ensure that a pro-west government is elected.
1994 Jordan Financial Aid Humanitarian To obtain agreement with Israel's view that Palestinian refugees do not have a right of return.
1994 Colombia Military Aid Drug Trafficking To suppress opposition to pro-USA government.
1995 Turkey Military Aid None To keep a pro-USA government happy while it attacks Kurds.
1995 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To ensure that Iraq does not flood the oil market, lowering the price.
1995 Mexico Military Aid Drug Trafficking To crush opposition to USA business interests.
1995 Iran Sanctions Terrorism Country using its resources for its own people.
1996 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To keep the country weak and to destabilise the government.
1996 Mongolia Election Finance Communism To help elect a pro-USA government that would allow electronic monitoring of China.
1997 Rwanda Military Aid None Support for pro-West government.
1997 Iraq Sanctions UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
1998 Afghanistan Bombing Terrorism To destroy terror camps built by the USA to fight the USSR and now suspected of being used against the USA.
1998 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
1998 Sudan Bombing Terrorism Unknown.
1998 Turkey Military Aid None Support for pro-USA NATO country.
1998 Guatemala Military Aid None Suppression of opposition to pro-USA government.
1998 South Korea Food Aid Humanitarian To make the country dependent on USA produced food.
1999 Yugoslavia Bombing Humanitarian European business interests.
1999 Iraq Bombing UN Violations To destabilise independent Arab regime.
1999 Guatemala Military Aid None Suppression of opposition to pro-USA government.
2000 Israel Military Aid;
Economic Aid;
Political Support Terrorism Support for a strongly pro-West country in the Middle East.
2000 Kyrgyzstan Financial Aid Humanitarian To gain influence in oil rich Central Asia.
2001 Colombia Military Aid Drug Trafficking To protect USA oil companies from dissidents.
2001 China Provocation Communism To obtain secrets and intimidate independent country.
2001 Israel Military Aid;
Economic Aid;
Political Support Terrorism Support for a strongly pro-West country in the Middle East.
2001 Iraq Sanctions;
Bombing UN Violations To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
2001 Afghanistan Bombing;
Invasion Terrorism To replace the government with one that is more pro-West.
2002 Afghanistan Bombing;
Invasion Terrorism To gain influence and control over oil rich Central Asia.
2002 Angola Intelligence Terrorism To remove their no longer needed former client.
2003 Iraq Invasion Banned
Weapons To gain control of oil rich country and impose a government friendly to the USA.

^YOU MAKE ME SICK.

And you re-elect this racist bastard. Fuck off.

how many times have you copied and pasted that? maybe next time think of something on your own.


GG kthx. Talk to me when you have crawled out of that rock in 4 yrs.

BYE

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec how many times have you copied and pasted that? maybe next time think of something on your own. GG kthx. Talk to me when you have crawled out of that rock in 4 yrs. BYE

ill post it enough times to drill it into your head as well as others that ure supporting an evil empire. 60 years of invasions....what do u call that? Take ure "in god we trust" and "god bless america" BULLSHIT and cram it up ure ass.

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Originally posted by kamil your stupid, ive seen more shiteworthy posts by you than the local noob.

Hey I resent that remark!


<----- local noob

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec how many times have you copied and pasted that? maybe next time think of something on your own. GG kthx. Talk to me when you have crawled out of that rock in 4 yrs. BYE

how many times have you copy and pasted that stupid comic strip?

kthnxbye!

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Originally posted by josh4 Hey I resent that remark! <----- local noob

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Originally posted by kamil ill post it enough times to drill it into your head as well as others that ure supporting an evil empire. 60 years of invasions....what do u call that? Take ure "in god we trust" and "god bless america" BULLSHIT and cram it up ure ass.

So what country has been annexed then?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r So what country has been annexed then?

"Technically" none. But does it matter?

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Originally posted by kamil "Technically" none. But does it matter?

People have been conquered and subdued for thousands of years. The Europeans conquered the entire world! The British gave opium to the Chinese to keep them subdued. The French, Germans, Dutch, Spanish and Portugese colonized areas for profit and enslaved the native population. Slavery existed in the United States until it was abolished after the Civil War. The "White Man's Burden" was to civilize the world from the peoples of Africa to the Indians of North and South America. We have done something we thought just at the time and hindsight shows us otherwise. Since innocent people died in World War II, using your logic, it was wrong to defeat Hitler while he was killing millions?

Calling the the US evil is wrong before you look at yourself.

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Originally posted by habsfan Are you even in university??? Look at the source you just gave me, Washington Post....yeah that's not biased. Oh and here's the best part: "Of a dozen service members interviewed, only one said he voted against Mr. Bush, and he asked that his name not be published. "

Actually its Washington Times. Get it right.

I picked that article from a nice archive from Military.com website. The actual website of our Troops. It was in the news archive, if they didn't believe it was true Im sure they would of not put it in their archive.

http://www.military.com/News/Home/


another one

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Military personnel back Bush, poll finds BY CHARLES HOMANS Washington Bureau WASHINGTON � Despite Sen. John Kerry's attempts to woo the military vote, active-duty military personnel and their families remain solidly behind President Bush, according to a survey released Friday. Pollsters are legally barred from directly asking military personnel whom they plan to vote for. But when asked which candidate they would trust more as their commander in chief, survey participants chose Bush over Kerry by a greater than 2-to-1 ratio. Among the 655 active-duty personnel and their families polled, 69 percent said they had a favorable opinion of Bush while 29 percent said they felt the same way about Kerry, according to the survey sponsored by the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center. "Part of it has to do with (Kerry's) anti-Vietnam protests, which are as salient for the military as his record of combat valor," said Peter Feaver, a political scientist at Duke University in Durham, N.C., who studies politics in the military. Among all Americans, Bush has a narrower advantage on trust to be commander in chief, 50-41. To some extent, the findings reflect that the military is heavily Republican. Four in 10 of those polled said they were Republicans, twice the number that said they were Democrats.

another one

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Duke political scientist Peter Feaver reports that the military remains overwhelmingly Republican: Pundits have long speculated that the Democrats were making strong inroads with a constituency hitherto notoriously resistant to their appeal: the military. Since Gen. Wesley Clark threw his hat in the presidential ring, reporters have chased the "military vote" story, each new media report sprinkled with anecdotes about troops who questioned the Iraq war or who drew trenchant comparisons between the Vietnam combat valor of John Kerry and President Bush. Surely Bush is in trouble, and, in a close election, perhaps the military vote might swing the outcome as it did in Florida 2000, only this time for the Democrats. Even Kerry joined the bandwagon in the first presidential debate, citing individual military supporters he met on the campaign trail (the only voters Kerry mentioned that night). We now have fairly compelling evidence, in the form of a Military Times survey of its readership (primarily career military officers and enlisted personnel), that reports of the demise of Bush's popularity were premature. By an astonishing 72 to 17 percent margin, the active-duty military personnel who took the survey favored Bush over Kerry (Guard and Reserve respondents favored Bush, 73 to 18 percent). Frankly, the margin greatly exceeds anything that I or any other analyst had expected. To be sure, the survey method is tilted in Bush's favor, because it underrepresented the short-termers and junior enlisted personnel who would presumably be more Democratic (and thus more pro-Kerry). But the poll cannot be dismissed on technical grounds. The military is not captured in sufficient numbers by regular polls to say anything meaningful, and it is very difficult to reach the military in a targeted political survey. The Military Times readership is more reflective of career military people who at least entertain the idea of serving the 20 years needed to earn full retirement benefits, and previous surveys have established that this group tends to be more Republican. However, survey methods cannot account for a spread of 55 points. If the groundswell for Kerry claimed in earlier news reports was happening, it would have shown up here.

I was on another board a few months back and bookmarked it for future reference what he had to say, Im sure most Military personnel would agree with:

"Okay, I was in Iraq for the first 12 months. You question our support of someone who puts us in harms way? Newsflash: We get paid to be in harms way. You don't understand how being anti-war is not supporting the troops? Imagine watching TV in Baghdad, like I did, and watching people bash your mission. It pisses you off, and you want to go beat the protestors asses. That is like saying you support Kurt Warner but you think football is an evil game. You can't have it both ways. If you support troops then you motivate them, not demoralize them with your mouth. You, sir, do not in fact support the troops no matter how much you claim to. Getting "bombed in the desert" does not demoralize combat troops like myself. Actually, the actual fighting is the biggest rush you can have and can be addicting. And, yes, sighning a contract gives the government the right to use you as they see fit. Military life is quite different than civilian life, son."

Fact of the matter is..if you havent been in the politics scene long enough to notice that the military votes Republican everytime, then I'd say its time to start seeking a different interest to look into. This isnt about bias, its about reality, the military overwhelming supports Bush and you have yet to even mention Kerry's name and have sunk to the Clinton argument which is basically bashing Bush's name without mentioning the alternative. Your bias is making you blind to reality sir.



I dare you find a poll or voter statistic that showed such overwhelming support for John Kerry from the military. Fact of the matter is you Michael Moore Liberals love to put words in peoples mouth. I suggest go find a party platform to stand on and help the democrats find a soul..they really need it. Talk to me when you crawl out of your rock in 4yrs

see ya


http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=76946&ran=163002

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec how many times have you copied and pasted that? maybe next time think of something on your own. GG kthx. Talk to me when you have crawled out of that rock in 4 yrs. BYE

Why should he write his own thoughts when someone else already did it perfectly?

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec Fact of the matter is..if you havent been in the politics scene long enough to notice that the military votes Republican everytime, then I'd say its time to start seeking a different interest to look into. This isnt about bias, its about reality, the military overwhelming supports Bush and you have yet to even mention Kerry's name and have sunk to the Clinton argument which is basically bashing Bush's name without mentioning the alternative. Your bias is making you blind to reality sir.

Yep, he's right. I know someone who works at the Pentagon, while he may not have cared for all of Bush's views, he still voted Bush because he was Ex U.S. Army, and was strongly against Kerry's views for plans with the military.

Re: nice pic

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Originally posted by fastmp3 [IMG][/IMG]

"Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor. For patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and patriotism, will offer up all of their rights to the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Julius Caesar." - Julius Caesar

Another quote that pretty much means the same thing. You know, you can find "quotes" to support pretty much anything. I could give a bunch of pro-war/government quotes just as easily.

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Originally posted by kamil "Technically" none. But does it matter?

Oh....so there's a footnote then...

What would that be?
Maybe the fact the States hasn't annexing anything at all.
Just because of their involvement in helping others' affairs doesn't make them the bad guys...

That would be like someone hitting my sister but because I was there and helped defend her from the assault, I'm all of a sudden the bad guy for jumping in???
What kind of logic is that?

We live in a global village where countries are interdependent of each other and help each other out.
Taking that thought forward, if the Iraqis people REALLY didn't want the Americans/Coalition there; where are all the millions of protesting people then?
Surely that couldn't have slipped by the Liberal conflict-seeking North American media...

Re: Re: nice pic

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Originally posted by Radagast "Beware the leader who bangs the drum of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor. For patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and patriotism, will offer up all of their rights to the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Julius Caesar." - Julius Caesar

Thats fake, Caesar never said that.

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Originally posted by speedracer_mec -P.S. I deal with plenty of liberals on this forum....We argue, discuss, etc...which is fine. At the end of the day we get along. I post garbage when neccessary and post arguments when needed......YOU however are the most pathetic loser on this forum. I had not seen you on this board during the entire campaign. what constitutes you as such? 1. Your lame posts? 2. The length of your posts? 3. Hateful, Rude, Disgusting Language? 4. Your brain Combine them 4 and you have a senseless trash. END

Dude, don't you think this is the case of the pot calling the kettle black? It seems you devote your life to this political forum and sit behind a computer getting emailed responses to threads just to make sure you can put in your semi-intelligent 2cent comments.
I think the term 'pathetic loser' suits you a hell of alot more than anyone else on this board. Live a little

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r if the Iraqis people REALLY didn't want the Americans/Coalition there; where are all the millions of protesting people then? Surely that couldn't have slipped by the Liberal conflict-seeking North American media...

Where was the American/Coalition after the gulf war? Who let Saddam back in power? Who let Iraq's people suffer because it was not in their best interest to intervene.
Did you see the millions of people protesting after America pulled its troops out? Giving the people a sense of hope? Provoking them to stand up against Saddaam... which they did. And then what? They left.
What do you think happened to those who stood up to Saddaam after the troops of the gulf war bailed?

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance People have been conquered and subdued for thousands of years. The Europeans conquered the entire world! The British gave opium to the Chinese to keep them subdued. The French, Germans, Dutch, Spanish and Portugese colonized areas for profit and enslaved the native population. Slavery existed in the United States until it was abolished after the Civil War. The "White Man's Burden" was to civilize the world from the peoples of Africa to the Indians of North and South America. We have done something we thought just at the time and hindsight shows us otherwise. Since innocent people died in World War II, using your logic, it was wrong to defeat Hitler while he was killing millions? Calling the the US evil is wrong before you look at yourself.

I agree

Yeah really you're saying that everyone except the United States is and has always been an agel, come on

Throughout history every country has only acted in it's own interests and everyone has been an ass...and by everyone I mean everyone...

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