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Posted by PVD fanatic on Nov-11-2004 19:39:

Invisible Grin First Recorded Mix, would love feedback ...

Hey there, Just started recording myself last week, I've been dj'ing for almost 2 years. 1st year it was more of a hobby, but the within the last year, I've really put time and effort into it. There are mistakes in the mix, but I figured might as well get out there and do this, it'll be a good experience. Here's a mix I made, and I'd love some feedback from anyone. Whether good or bad, doesn't matter. The recording is not so great, but mind you I just started using this software last week, so I'm still learning. Enjoy the set, and thanks in advance for your input.

Here's the tracklist:

1. Holden & Thompson � Nothing (93 returning mix)
2. Infusion � Girls Can Be Cruel (Infusion s�Qed mix)
3. New Order � Blue Monday (Rogue Audio mix)
4. Sam Sharp � Deep
5. Randy Katana � In Silence (Txitxarro mix)
6. Age of Love � Age of Love (Marco V remix)
7. Lotstep � Burma (Sasha Remix)
8. Jas Van Houten � Heavens Gate
9. Mojado � El Toro
10. Marcel Woods � Static State
11. Marcel Woods � Time is Running Out (Original Mix)
12. Tiesto � Traffic
13. D:fuse � Bodyshock (Threw this is at the last moment for a friend, that�s why the mixing is off)

Here's the link : http://www.people.vcu.edu/~bhoadley/files/Get%20Well%20Rikka%20Mix.mp3


Posted by Scottaculous on Nov-11-2004 19:47:

Link doesn't work.

What did you use to mix this with?


Posted by PVD fanatic on Nov-11-2004 20:46:

try this link, copied it wrong ... :

http://www.people.vcu.edu/~bhoadley...Rikka%20Mix.mp3

used my decks, djm-500, and soundforge 7.0 to record...thanks for listening.


Posted by Scottaculous on Nov-11-2004 21:03:

1st mix the phrasing is wrong. About 8 beats off. This is more preference but you mixed in little late too. Levels are ok.

2nd mix, the beats are off. Pretty abrupt mix. Levels are too loud on the incoming track. When mixed right, the mix sounded pretty good together.

3rd mix is abrupt as well but it mixed well together.

4rd mix is abrupt and the beats are off. Trance is all about timing. Try and have the mix take longer. If you notice what PVD does is, he mixes in 1 phrase before the climax ends and then blends the two tracks after that for another 2 phrases.

5th mix is shakey. The phrases are off, that's why you were left hanging after Age of Love's short breakdown. Got to know your records better.

6th mix: Good beatmatching here. The exiting track had a lot of highs and mids that conflicted with Burma. Maybe mix later in the track or kill the highs and mids.

7th mix. Phrasing problems again. Mixed in too early or late. Right in the middle of the phrase. Too fast a mix. The track didn't really go well with Burma.



Well, I stopped here. Hope you don't take it the wrong way but overall the mixing is pretty poor but that's ok because we've all been there. The biggest problems I see is your phrasing and beatmatching. I think a lot of your mixes were rushed because your beats weren't matched perfectly forcing you to kill the volume. Practice mid-mix adjusts with your pitch control. Phrasing... just make sure you mix in every 16 or 32 beats.

The first three tracks didn't really fit into the rest of your mix. I assume you were trying to build up but that's hard in a 74 minute mix.

Keep practicing.


Posted by PVD fanatic on Nov-11-2004 21:18:

scott thanks sooo much for the input, u have no idea how much it'll help me, i dont have many dj friends, so i'm kinda on my own, u know ??? Thanks for taking the time for the feedback, I appreciate it ...


Posted by nchs09 on Nov-11-2004 21:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Scottaculous
1st mix the phrasing is wrong. About 8 beats off. This is more preference but you mixed in little late too. Levels are ok.

2nd mix, the beats are off. Pretty abrupt mix. Levels are too loud on the incoming track. When mixed right, the mix sounded pretty good together.

3rd mix is abrupt as well but it mixed well together.

4rd mix is abrupt and the beats are off. Trance is all about timing. Try and have the mix take longer. If you notice what PVD does is, he mixes in 1 phrase before the climax ends and then blends the two tracks after that for another 2 phrases.

5th mix is shakey. The phrases are off, that's why you were left hanging after Age of Love's short breakdown. Got to know your records better.

6th mix: Good beatmatching here. The exiting track had a lot of highs and mids that conflicted with Burma. Maybe mix later in the track or kill the highs and mids.
owned... that was some rough critisism hehe


Posted by PVD fanatic on Nov-11-2004 21:31:

quote:
owned... that was some rough critisism hehe


Much appreciated though ...


Posted by Scottaculous on Nov-11-2004 21:36:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
owned... that was some rough critisism hehe


I'm not trying to be a dick. How else can someone get better unless he know his mistakes? Look at Tiesto. Tiesto's friends need to tell it to him straight.


Posted by PVD fanatic on Nov-11-2004 21:37:

quote:
I'm not trying to be a dick. How else can someone get better unless he know his mistakes? Look at Tiesto. Tiesto's friends need to tell it to him straight.


LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You just made my freagin day !!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA ....

Damn straight , they need to tell it to him straight ....


Posted by Vero on Nov-12-2004 04:17:

quote:
Originally posted by nchs09
owned... that was some rough critisism hehe


no way! scott that was some great advice for him, i am very tempted to send you one of my mixes now and have you school me on some shit. i mean what more could you ask for than a detailed description of what needs work on every single one of the mixes in your set.

scott you are the man, and if you dont mind, would you give one of mine a listen. even though you have heard me spin live before, if you be great to get some input of some specific things in my mixing.


Posted by Scottaculous on Nov-12-2004 16:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Vero
no way! scott that was some great advice for him, i am very tempted to send you one of my mixes now and have you school me on some shit. i mean what more could you ask for than a detailed description of what needs work on every single one of the mixes in your set.

scott you are the man, and if you dont mind, would you give one of mine a listen. even though you have heard me spin live before, if you be great to get some input of some specific things in my mixing.


Sure thing bro. Send it over.


Posted by 3xx3r7 on Nov-13-2004 02:34:

I may even consider sending mine as well.


Posted by MunkyAngel on Nov-13-2004 02:47:

wow my boyfriend is great


Posted by 3xx3r7 on Nov-13-2004 02:58:

For some reason mixing in breakbeat is much easier than regular beat. Maybe it is just me.

Edit: Hmmm.. Mixing between Time is Running Out and Traffic is really short. Almost a crossfade job.


Posted by b0bb0 on Nov-13-2004 08:57:

Since were all posting sets ill be posting a set shortly. Scott i'd definately like your critisism.

If you dont remember me, i met you in atlanta in a line for PVD @ a collesium/arena there on the northside in 02 for his politics for dancing tour. I was wearing a ta.com shirt, and damn was that a great night!


Posted by deejayTHUNDER on Nov-13-2004 17:58:

OK THAT DOES IT ! ! ! i'm jumping on the band wagon... I had posted this mix a few weeks ago on the site and got some feed back but i would like something a little more detailed.

Genre: progressive

Link: September 2004 Promo

Track Listing:

1.stage one - space manouvers (deepfish mara's re-edit)
2.panoptic - surface (original mix)
3.leama - requiem for a dream (leama dream mix)
4.ridgewalkers feat. el - find (original mix)
5.andy moor & andy white - the white room (original mix)
6.nikola gala & chrs mozio - colourless (original mix)
7.avid - the hunt (original mix)
8.dousk - the novel (original mix)
9.james holden - solstice (original mix)
10.j f sebastian feat. kaz - burden (leomn 8 remix)
11.arthur baker feat. astrid - 1000 years (andy moor remix)

thanx and i hope you enjoy the mix


Posted by MunkyAngel on Nov-13-2004 18:03:

lol you guys are going to keep him busy


Posted by PVD fanatic on Nov-13-2004 18:04:

damn... talk about jacking somebodys thread ... LOL ...


Posted by b0bb0 on Nov-13-2004 18:39:

Threadjack!


Posted by Scottaculous on Nov-15-2004 17:18:

quote:
Originally posted by deejayTHUNDER
OK THAT DOES IT ! ! ! i'm jumping on the band wagon... I had posted this mix a few weeks ago on the site and got some feed back but i would like something a little more detailed.

Genre: progressive

Link: September 2004 Promo

Track Listing:

1.stage one - space manouvers (deepfish mara's re-edit)
2.panoptic - surface (original mix)
3.leama - requiem for a dream (leama dream mix)
4.ridgewalkers feat. el - find (original mix)
5.andy moor & andy white - the white room (original mix)
6.nikola gala & chrs mozio - colourless (original mix)
7.avid - the hunt (original mix)
8.dousk - the novel (original mix)
9.james holden - solstice (original mix)
10.j f sebastian feat. kaz - burden (leomn 8 remix)
11.arthur baker feat. astrid - 1000 years (andy moor remix)

thanx and i hope you enjoy the mix



Mixes

1 - Slight double beat for about 8 beats. You fixed it nicely however.

2 - The phrasing is off on this one. "Requiem for a Dream" has 32 beat phrases and I think you were mixing for 16 beats.
Keys with audibly off.

3 - Abrupt mixing in of "Find" but only briefly.

4 - Worse mix of the set. The beatmatching was great but both tracks clashed with each other in more ways than one. The vocals, the keys, the elements of the tracks clashed. The mix sounded very cluttered.
Best thing to do is completely mix out as soon as possible and not try to fight it.

5 - Abrupt mixing in of "Colourless". The mix was short but it needed to be done because of the short break on "Colourless". I felt you could have waited longer before mixing in "Colourless".

6 - Good long mix into "The Hunt" but "Colourless" faded out really quickly at the end. Could have held Colourless for another 16 beats until that clap kicks in from "The Hunt". I liked the change in styles from melodic to deeper prog.

7 - Great mix. Nothing wrong with it except I heard your Windows events sounds firing in the background. Gotta mute all inputs but line-in

8 - Mix had tiny offbeats that most people wouldn't hear. Didn't like this track picked to go after the nice groove you had going. It's too dark compared to the airry vocals and melody of "The Novel". I can see why you pick it however. The CD is ending and you wanted to close it with a bang.

9 - Timing is off. Mix came in 3 or 4 beats after the phrase started.

10 - I felt the track picked didn't go well with the previous two tracks. Decent mix though.

Overall the recording levels are low. Try normalising with a wave editor like Sound Forge to -6dB.
Comparing the first few tracks to the last few tracks the volume gradually went louder. I should also say that individual mixes the volume levels were fine.
Your beatmatching, though not perfect, is usually on par.

I felt some of the tracks could be switched around for it flow more. You obviously have a good handle on beatmatching. You started out with some tribal, immediately mixed into melodic prog for a few tracks and then went to deep prog for the rest of the set. I felt you lost level of energy created in the earlier part of the mix. Flow is entirely subjective but I wanted to bring it up to your attention.


Things I feel you should work on is, matching keys and programming of the tracks for flow.


Posted by Scottaculous on Nov-15-2004 17:21:

quote:
Originally posted by b0bb0
Since were all posting sets ill be posting a set shortly. Scott i'd definately like your critisism.

If you dont remember me, i met you in atlanta in a line for PVD @ a collesium/arena there on the northside in 02 for his politics for dancing tour. I was wearing a ta.com shirt, and damn was that a great night!


I don't remember meeting you. That was a hazy night but super fun. That's where I met Jack (Tranceluver4evr). But sure, link yours over.


Posted by anycrew on Nov-15-2004 17:30:

Scott, Sounds like you can start a school of mixology. you handle the beats, i'll handle the drinks.


Posted by Scottaculous on Nov-15-2004 17:42:

quote:
Originally posted by anycrew
Scott, Sounds like you can start a school of mixology. you handle the beats, i'll handle the drinks.


Haha perfect. Remember to go easy on the water with my drinks!


Posted by deejayTHUNDER on Nov-15-2004 18:38:

thanx for the dissection of my promo. will work on it that, redo, and post again. again i appreciate the time and effort taken in doing this bro.


Posted by eyeball_2003 on Nov-17-2004 15:53:

hey all been watching this thread very closely, recorded my first set last night LOL! it was utter shite only managed one decent mix, so i'll not be posting it. please could u guys give me some pointers like for exapmle when u say about 16 and 32 beat? im not to sure what that means
thanks


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