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TIESTO: why the bashing?

Hi all.. this is my first post..
ive been reading this board for a few days now and I have came across alot of tiesto bashing.. and I will just like to give my 2 cents..

first the people who are saying that tiesto cant mix and doesnt deserve his #1 ranking. well I have something to say about that, keep reading..

second.. the people who say he plays cheese.. ok I wont object to that.. yes he does play cheese from time to time.. BUT do you know why??

and third.. people who say tiesto is not even a real good DJ.. and his track selection has been off when some people have attended his live gigs..

well I am going to try and defend these negative remarks about him..


first of all,, Tiesto is a Dj who is in extreme demand.. he probably plays over 100 shows a year and every show cant be as good as the last or beter than them all.. alot of those days is like the title another day at the office.. so he is not going to rip it up..
he is only human.. but he still puts in a show for the majority.. just there will always be some people out there in the crowd who have heard better and its not up to standard..

his track selection.. well ok.. yes, he is number 1 again.. and he is probably alittle arrogant about it.. just as oakie was..
so he doesnt feel like he has to perform so much now.. kinda lost the hunger.. but he still turns out a professional set..
number one doesnt mean every show and track has to be EPIC..

he plays cheese ok I cant say much about this except.. people love it! hahahaha its true.. look at the rankings.. I know I know..but the stats speak for it self.. so play what sells..
of course for many not listening to cheese or commercial hits kinda means you are real hardcore.. not a lollipop novice like so many others.. so we talk about non commercial tracks and less cheese tracks which you wont hear on some cheesy remix cd...

but that doesnt mean he is a bad Dj..

becuase the fact is.. tiesto is number one becuase he is THAT GOOD!
he might be abit of a sell out now.. but most of the top djs do sell out as do all stars... hip hop etc....
they turn commercial and start to play radio hits and get sloppy..

BUT!!
the fact is.. if tiesto wanted to HE could do a set that would blow all the djs away and have us all dancing like freaks and then at the end of it we will be saying OH MY GOD!! please someone pick up my jaw it just hit the floor.. if he wanted too.. becuase he is that good!

he has the talent and the skills.., its just that he is not really using them so often on the decks for the likes of us trance junkies
he spends lot of time in the studio making the commercial cheese that will go number 1 all over europe and make him millions..
but hey.., thats no reason to be dissing him..
the guy can mix.. and we all know this..
anyway thanks for listening..
thats all I have to say about tiesto..
I think the guy is great.. of course I dont listening to him often
but I think he needed some defence.. too much bashing..
IF tiesto came to my city I would go see him.. I guess most of you all would too..
maybe alot of you are angry that he is not doing what he is capable of doing.. or maybe a lot of you just do think he is garbage haahha
to each there own huh..
well anyway..

Why do people bash oakenfold?

Eventually all of the high end djs get flipped off by people who like to think they know alot about the industry, or whatever.

Hell, James Zabiela used to be some big amazing hero, but now people are already starting to bash him, saying that he doesnt deserve the place hes in because other djs have done what everybody is making a big deal out of him doing.

(although i must admit, him cutting a deal with pioneer is pretty lame...)

He's not, nor has he ever been #1 because he's "that good". He plays pop music, happened to do it at the right time, and has a marketing team that could turn my grandmother into a pop star in six weeks. He's #1 because he's more popular, not because he's a better DJ. You don't know what you're talking about. I doubt you could name a DJ who actually knows what he's doing. Tiesto is bad even for a trance DJ. Playing tracks end to end with one minute of mixing is bad enough but tiesto can't even beatmatch. People bash him because he sucks, simple fact.

Can the Music Discussion stop revolving around Tiesto, Armin, and Paul van Dyk

That�s great you love Tiesto but there is much more to dance music than these three mega stars.

I've been on this board a short time but I am getting tired of reading about the same shit over and over.


Please let�s talk about the vast world of electronic music.

If you can�t control yourself then these websites can help you further your crusade:

www.tiesto.com
www.paulvandyk.de
www.arminvanbuuren.com

If Tiesto can mix but doesn't, why doesn't he? Sasha plays the same amount of gigs, ya don't see him screwing up as often, do you? Actually he doesn't screw up at all.

I'll tell you, in just two words...

Personal Opinion

Hm, what's this about Zab cutting a deal with Pioneer? Tell meh more.

Pretty simple. Technically, he is terrible.

I always rip that, but defend his programming and track selection. That's what made him big. I don't like his sets as much anymore (programming wise), but at least he has variance in his sets. But he is so awful technically that I get frustrated. I don't wanna pay $40 (or nothing even) to see a guy trainwreck and come in abrupt with bass cancellations. Sasha, Sander K, Hernan Cattaneo, Digweed, Max Graham, and IMO Armin at least mix well and bring some variety to their sets, most times. Why aren't they ranked higher than him. Because he's commercial and appeals to the masses, especially younger, undeveloped listeners.

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Originally posted by idoru I'll tell you, in just two words... Personal Opinion

haha yeah i was going to say the same thing..

before this thread turns into a flamewar, Coffee, you have to realize that most (if not all) threads are just opinions... that is all.

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Originally posted by Ory If Tiesto can mix but doesn't, why doesn't he? Sasha plays the same amount of gigs, ya don't see him screwing up as often, do you? Actually he doesn't screw up at all.

True.

I hate when these groupies come on a forum to tell the world that their favorite DJ can mix but doesn�t show it because they are lazy.

Fuck it that�s the case than every DJ is Sasha but they are just to lazy to show it


come on for someone who is dedicating their teenage life to hype a DJ you need a better excuse than this.

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Originally posted by Radagast He plays pop music,

I will give Tiesto this...his sets differ more than most of the DJ's that I have seen live. With some of the others I can almost predict what they will spin. I say this because I am still a bit stunned from his set two months ago when we couldn't ID over half of his set. He only played two vocal tracks and they were at the beginning of his set (Find & I Found U). The rest was non-vocal trance and I loved it. He didn't play any well known Tiesto tracks except for Nyana or any (crowd favorite) tracks that you just knew would get the dance floor going. Yet his set was one of the best that I had ever heard live. His track selection that night was anything but "pop music". Is he my favorite DJ? No. Is he capable of playing a set as good if not better than anyone else's? Yes. Not too many DJ's can walk into a room and throw down a set with over half of it not being able to be ID'd by the people there and still have the room stand there and stare at you in awe. I have to give props where props is due.

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Originally posted by Mebot haha yeah i was going to say the same thing.. before this thread turns into a flamewar, Coffee, you have to realize that most (if not all) threads are just opinions... that is all.

yes.. ok.. well I never said tiesto is my idol. I did say I dont listening to him often.. I was just saying.. I dont think he sucks..
I mean he is a big NO HUGE draw card.. he can pack raves with 30.000 people with his name on the bill... now its either all those listers dont know shit about trance or actually he has some fans..
yes he is a commerical dj.. but people of the world ar enot that stupid.. they know talent when they see it.. and the person who said his grandmother could be a superstar in 6 weeks.. come on man..
you dont get to be number 1 and pack out areas becuase you are garbage! he doesnt go off.. becuase he doesnt have too.. he does a job.. he is now a show pony.. a big star..
IM not saying he is the best dj around.. I have personal favorites IMO kick all over tiesto.. but you all may think different..
im just trying to say.. tiesto is not that bad..

Lol, unfortunately u'll only provoce more bashing with threads like this ...

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Originally posted by trancebrat

So he played epic trance, some tracks one person (you) couldn't ID, and you loved it. What exactly are you trying to point out? Certainly not that i'm wrong. There are plenty of DJ's who have played nothing but tracks you've never heard of for their entire careers who have people "standing there in awe", only for a better reason than laying down the latest crap trance tune and playing it out for five minutes with little mixing.

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Originally posted by The_G0dfather Lol, unfortunately u'll only provoce more bashing with threads like this ...

yes.. good point.. ok whatever..
everyone can have their own opinions.. so some like him. some hate him some think he is ok.. I will leave it like that..
wow yes its a very touchy subject.. probably not a good one to start off with on this forum..

just wanted to give my 2 cents..

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Originally posted by Radagast So he played epic trance, some tracks one person (you) couldn't ID, and you loved it. What exactly are you trying to point out? Certainly not that i'm wrong. There are plenty of DJ's who have played nothing but tracks you've never heard of for their entire careers who have people "standing there in awe", only for a better reason than laying down the latest crap trance tune and playing it out for five minutes with little mixing.

Blah blah blah. Did I say one person genius? Learn to read. There is an entire thread in my local forum of people saying the same damn thing. I forgot that things need to be spelled out to you.

The music wasn't crap. That is a fact. The mixing was on...transitions were like a piece of art. God forbid someone say something positive about a DJ on these forums.

Re: TIESTO: why the bashing?

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Originally posted by Coffee Hi all.. this is my first post.. ive been reading this board for a few days now and I have came across alot of tiesto bashing.. and I will just like to give my 2 cents.. first the people who are saying that tiesto cant mix and doesnt deserve his #1 ranking. well I have something to say about that, keep reading.. second.. the people who say he plays cheese.. ok I wont object to that.. yes he does play cheese from time to time.. BUT do you know why?? and third.. people who say tiesto is not even a real good DJ.. and his track selection has been off when some people have attended his live gigs.. well I am going to try and defend these negative remarks about him.. first of all,, Tiesto is a Dj who is in extreme demand.. he probably plays over 100 shows a year and every show cant be as good as the last or beter than them all.. alot of those days is like the title another day at the office.. so he is not going to rip it up.. he is only human.. but he still puts in a show for the majority.. just there will always be some people out there in the crowd who have heard better and its not up to standard.. his track selection.. well ok.. yes, he is number 1 again.. and he is probably alittle arrogant about it.. just as oakie was.. so he doesnt feel like he has to perform so much now.. kinda lost the hunger.. but he still turns out a professional set.. number one doesnt mean every show and track has to be EPIC.. he plays cheese ok I cant say much about this except.. people love it! hahahaha its true.. look at the rankings.. I know I know..but the stats speak for it self.. so play what sells.. of course for many not listening to cheese or commercial hits kinda means you are real hardcore.. not a lollipop novice like so many others.. so we talk about non commercial tracks and less cheese tracks which you wont hear on some cheesy remix cd... but that doesnt mean he is a bad Dj.. becuase the fact is.. tiesto is number one becuase he is THAT GOOD! he might be abit of a sell out now.. but most of the top djs do sell out as do all stars... hip hop etc.... they turn commercial and start to play radio hits and get sloppy.. BUT!! the fact is.. if tiesto wanted to HE could do a set that would blow all the djs away and have us all dancing like freaks and then at the end of it we will be saying OH MY GOD!! please someone pick up my jaw it just hit the floor.. if he wanted too.. becuase he is that good! he has the talent and the skills.., its just that he is not really using them so often on the decks for the likes of us trance junkies he spends lot of time in the studio making the commercial cheese that will go number 1 all over europe and make him millions.. but hey.., thats no reason to be dissing him.. the guy can mix.. and we all know this.. anyway thanks for listening.. thats all I have to say about tiesto.. I think the guy is great.. of course I dont listening to him often but I think he needed some defence.. too much bashing.. IF tiesto came to my city I would go see him.. I guess most of you all would too.. maybe alot of you are angry that he is not doing what he is capable of doing.. or maybe a lot of you just do think he is garbage haahha to each there own huh.. well anyway..

Better don't mention it, most of the guys here are gay, they love it but don't tell it. They are so ugly that even George Micheal don't want to fuck them. The only thing they can do is complain, but the only reason why they do that is because of themselves. Sad...

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Originally posted by Ory If Tiesto can mix but doesn't, why doesn't he? Sasha plays the same amount of gigs, ya don't see him screwing up as often, do you? Actually he doesn't screw up at all.

Sasha wrecked 2 times when i saw him.

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Originally posted by Coffee yes.. ok.. well I never said tiesto is my idol. I did say I dont listening to him often.. I was just saying.. I dont think he sucks.. I mean he is a big NO HUGE draw card.. he can pack raves with 30.000 people with his name on the bill... now its either all those listers dont know shit about trance or actually he has some fans.. yes he is a commerical dj.. but people of the world ar enot that stupid.. they know talent when they see it.. and the person who said his grandmother could be a superstar in 6 weeks.. come on man.. you dont get to be number 1 and pack out areas becuase you are garbage! he doesnt go off.. becuase he doesnt have too.. he does a job.. he is now a show pony.. a big star.. IM not saying he is the best dj around.. I have personal favorites IMO kick all over tiesto.. but you all may think different.. im just trying to say.. tiesto is not that bad..

I understand what you are saying and I'm not trying to attack you, but the comment about the people of the world not being stupid isn't really right, in one sense at least.

Sure the average person can hear a set and enjoy the tracks and probably even spot a trainwreck. However, the average person doesn't hear minor beatmatch errors or poor technical mixing. The average EDM listener has an underdeveloped ear. I know, because I did until I started to spin myself. Now I hear the flaws, mainly because I've gone through a process of trying to better myself as a dj. By no means am I saying that I don't miss a beat here and there, but Tiesto is very unskilled technically, especially considering the amount of time he has been doing it for. He used to be my favorite and I didn't notice the mistakes. Now I've seen him a few times in the last 2-3 years and I hear all of the errors. Plain and simply, he is not a good technical dj. He does have great tracks and knows how to program and control energy. That is very important too. Probably more important to the masses. I just expect a dj to be more consistent and have some fluidity. He lacks both of those.

Re: Re: TIESTO: why the bashing?

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Originally posted by Remy D Better don't mention it, most of the guys here are gay, they love it but don't tell it. They are so ugly that even George Micheal don't want to fuck them. The only thing they can do is complain, but the only reason why they do that is because of themselves. Sad...

Your all sad knobheads, fair enough he is going a little bit poppy now, but lets all face it he is number one and that is that. Just look at what he has done, no other dj comes close to him!!!!

Cant stand geeky music fans whom always go on bout the lesser known or underdog dj's too much, shut up and face it that your fav dj is NOT better than tiesto.

im not dissrespecting underdog dj's, i do actually like them.

I for one don't like the music he plays and I also think there are far more talented dj's out there who haven't had half the recognition tiesto has (some of those dj's who have been doing it since the late 70's early 80's).

I think he plays the most commercial music out there, thus appealing to the mass audience - who lets face it are not all clued up on the dance music scene (and b4 any of tiesto fans take offence I don't mean all of his fans) - thus securing the majority vote.

I also hate the fact that the moment he's criticised (fairly I might add) you get all his clued up fans ryhming off mixes he pulled off back in 2001 - well 1 out of 50 ain't bad - I'm also fed up of constant tiesto threads for every little thing about him. ie - this one. If you think he's being critisised unfairly then why not reply to the threads instead of cluttering up the board with more shite about him which is inevitably going to have more tieto bashing in it.

Re: Re: TIESTO: why the bashing?

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Originally posted by Remy D Better don't mention it, most of the guys here are gay, they love it but don't tell it. They are so ugly that even George Micheal don't want to fuck them. The only thing they can do is complain, but the only reason why they do that is because of themselves. Sad...

Thats a well thought out argument.

NOT ANOTEHR FUCKIN THREAD.


FFS.


*closed*


(i wish)

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Originally posted by GaryMak Your all sad knobheads, fair enough he is going a little bit poppy now, but lets all face it he is number one and that is that. Just look at what he has done, no other dj comes close to him!!!!

In a popularity contest? Technically, Zabiela kicks much ass over Ti�sto, yet he placed 15. That just goes to show you how much of a horrible contest it is.

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Cant stand geeky music fans whom always go on bout the lesser known or underdog dj's too much, shut up and face it that your fav dj is NOT better than tiesto.

In terms of advertising themselves and selling themselves to the public, no they are not.

In terms of opinion, though, many DJs are better than Tijs. We are going to like a DJ because of our own personal taste, not because he's ranked number one. If you like a DJ simply because of where he ranks in a cheesy popularity contest, then you really need to get a clue.

/rant

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