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Posted by harcourt on Nov-12-2004 22:23:

Pentagon Strike 9/11

Check this out ... I've never believed it myself (that a hijacked 757 hit the Pentagon).

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main


Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-12-2004 22:32:

i am also convinced that the flight that came down over pennsylvania was shot down by the military. Instead of risking public backlash they came up with a nice neat feelgood story and "Let's roll" was born.

Sorry I don't buy it. Why? Half an hour before they reported a plane down in PA i remember watching CNN. They were reporting on the Pentagon incident and said that fighter jets had been scrambled to intercept another plane heading for either the capital building or the whitehouse. Then there was reports of a plane down and i was thinking "ok so they shot it down". A few hours later (after they ran it through the spin cycle) they come out with this "let's roll" story.

Sadly in today's PC society, people wouldnt get it. They had to invent the story because most people wouldnt understand the need to sacrifice a few dozen lives in order to save thousands.


Posted by k la on Nov-12-2004 22:46:

Some parts are interesting but I do not think it makes a case either way. I�m not denying the fact that the Americans are sneaky little bitches, or that there wasn�t a mass cover up, but that this video does not give sufficient evidence either way. At least it was a bit better than that tripe Michael Moore�s came out with.

When showing pics of the other wreckages, NONE of them went into buildings, thus its not a good comparison. Im sure an object will acti differently when hurled through cement, then when trying to make an emergency LANDING on the ground. How do we know what a plane will look like after hitting thousands of tons of concrete? Also, the videos from the pentagon, you�ve got to be kidding me! Its the freaking pentagon, I really believe they could have had a clearer view of that plane. A few distorted pixels proves nothing, to either side.

When the plane went into the wtc I don�t recollect seeing debris fly everywhere. I remember seeing a huge fire ball, but not huge chunks of metal flying, like in the pics of the planes that hit the DIRT!!! Also, fire came out of the other end of the wtc, the impact went all the way through a massive building, yet no plane came out the other side, just flame. The windows did not break above or below the main site of impact, so why should they at the pentagon?

I do have to admit its interesting the nice tidy hole in the pentagon though.

I dont deny the American govt is hiding things, just denying this video from being factual in any way shape or form!!!
The worlds going to hell anyways, so who cares


Posted by k la on Nov-12-2004 22:49:

I 100% agree with that one plane being shot down, but truthfully support it. Lets face it, the goal of the plane was to kill many more than those on the plane. A shitty situation, but at least it created the greatest good for the greatest number!

Back to the video, one other thing... If it was a missle that went into the building, then were did they hide the plane that they claimed went into the building? Thats a big cover up that im sure they could figure out!!! Did it just vanish into the Bermuda triangle???!!!


Posted by discojoe on Nov-12-2004 23:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
i am also convinced that the flight that came down over pennsylvania was shot down by the military. Instead of risking public backlash they came up with a nice neat feelgood story and "Let's roll" was born.

Sorry I don't buy it. Why? Half an hour before they reported a plane down in PA i remember watching CNN. They were reporting on the Pentagon incident and said that fighter jets had been scrambled to intercept another plane heading for either the capital building or the whitehouse. Then there was reports of a plane down and i was thinking "ok so they shot it down". A few hours later (after they ran it through the spin cycle) they come out with this "let's roll" story.

Sadly in today's PC society, people wouldnt get it. They had to invent the story because most people wouldnt understand the need to sacrifice a few dozen lives in order to save thousands.


shit thats an interesting theory. never thought of it that way. could be could be


Posted by matty on Nov-12-2004 23:08:

Saw this a long time ago....its definetely an interesting theory.


Posted by dallastar on Nov-12-2004 23:29:

so many things

tied into the 9/11 event's -

let's just let it be and give peace a chance -

whatever it was that crashed into the Pentagon terribly destroyed families and the actual historical structure..

anwayys - nice falsh site - but lost my attention half way through


Posted by nycionx on Nov-12-2004 23:42:

and when i said before in a previous post that the whole 911 project was a setup...u (Jaxy1) thought i was stupid and had no clue wtf i was talking about.


well there u go. a bit of proof for u.

ur so into politics i thought u wouldnt be as brainwashed as most people are.. ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF UR FUKEN EYES!!! its alll set up. get it? u still dont i kno u dont.

wutever.believe wut u want. so will i


Posted by Kytracid on Nov-12-2004 23:48:

Interesting vid. I'm pretty sure the US Govt did blow up the plane that crashed in the fields in PA, and then spun the story that a few passengers overpowered the terrorists and forced the plane down. That story just doesn't seem plausible to me, and given the WTC had already been hit, the US Govt decided to make up a story which made the actions of the plane that was shot down a little more heroic.

The sad truth is, shooting down the plane was probably the best option left at that point otherwise more lives would have been lost. Given the nature of 9/11, i don't think i would blame the US for the actions they took with regards to shooting down planes which potentially could have been used to launch attacks against other targets.


Posted by dallastar on Nov-12-2004 23:53:

Question

quote:
Originally posted by nycionx
and when i said before in a previous post that the whole 911 project was a setup...u (Jaxy1) thought i was stupid and had no clue wtf i was talking about.


well there u go. a bit of proof for u.

ur so into politics i thought u wouldnt be as brainwashed as most people are.. ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF UR FUKEN EYES!!! its alll set up. get it? u still dont i kno u dont.

wutever.believe wut u want. so will i


is this refering to JAYX???



we will all continue to have our opinions and thank god we have the freedom to voice them....

i am not to sure if the 9/11 thing was a swet-up - all i know - it changed my life around... not for the better -either...

anwyays no more comments on 9/11 from me


Posted by Kytracid on Nov-13-2004 00:07:

quote:
Originally posted by dallastar

i am not to sure if the 9/11 thing was a swet-up - all i know - it changed my life around... not for the better -either...


Hmm, while i don't doubt it might have changed your life around, i always find it strange when people use 9/11 to add melodrama to their life. I mean, how exactly did 9/11 change your life if you didn't lose someone when the towers crashed. It might have interrupted a few flights if you were flying after 9/11, but to say it had a profound experience on your life is just BS.

It changed the lifes of the firemen who went inside that building...
Or the people who witnessed first hand people jumping out of their 90th story offices...

For the rest of us, it was merely a wake up call that terrorists can strike at any time, in any place. 9/11 only a talking point because it happened on US soil, if it had occured any place else, people would have forgotten about it in a matter of weeks, much like the embassy bombing in East Africa, or the nightclub bombings in Bali.

It changed my life all right...it changed it for about 12 hours when everyone was talking about the Towers, and every channel was showing the same images again and again. After a few days, the dust had settled and people moved on.


Posted by AwakenedAddict on Nov-13-2004 00:10:

quote:
Originally posted by nycionx


Maybe people will begin to listen to your ideas when you begin to type ENGLISH.. not fecking instant messanger slang. If you want to sound intelligent, act intelligent.

Btw, Jayx1 isn't into politics any more than he is into arguing


Posted by discojoe on Nov-13-2004 00:12:

the one problem with the theory is that osama could easily do the math. he would know how many planes were jaked and how many landed and probably would have said something and used it against the government. second if they claim that the plane was retaken by people inside and people already buy that so why would they go through the trouble of sending a plane at the pentagon?

I still believe that the guvernment had a hand in it. They just had too much to gain. look at how this administration has profited from september 11th. its sickening.


Posted by AwakenedAddict on Nov-13-2004 00:16:

quote:
Originally posted by discojoe
the one problem with the theory is that osama could easily do the math.


I think you are kinda blinded... why would Osama want to descredit himself from what is the largest terrorist attack on the US? That's like giving a billion dollars to some joe-schmo blue-collar worker and telling him that the only catch is that he would have to "pretend" to have won the lottery.


Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-13-2004 00:18:

quote:
Originally posted by nycionx
and when i said before in a previous post that the whole 911 project was a setup...u (Jaxy1) thought i was stupid and had no clue wtf i was talking about.


well there u go. a bit of proof for u.

ur so into politics i thought u wouldnt be as brainwashed as most people are.. ITS RIGHT IN FRONT OF UR FUKEN EYES!!! its alll set up. get it? u still dont i kno u dont.

wutever.believe wut u want. so will i


i dont believe your theory that the US government orchestrated it. But I do believe this theory about a coverup regarding the PA plane because this makes sense.


Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-13-2004 00:21:

quote:
Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
Btw, Jayx1 isn't into politics any more than he is into arguing


aren't they one and the same?

The only reason im into politics is because they are a means to an end. Politics affects EVERY aspect of our lives.


Posted by AwakenedAddict on Nov-13-2004 00:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
aren't they one and the same?


No

But i'm with yah on the essentialness (if that is a word ) of Politics


Posted by St_Andrew on Nov-13-2004 00:50:

and we never went to the moon?


Posted by Jayx1 on Nov-13-2004 00:51:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
and we never went to the moon?


stupid shit like that i dont believe.

But the theory i have presented is highly plausable and the motive behind it is understandable.


Posted by discojoe on Nov-13-2004 01:13:

quote:
Originally posted by AwakenedAddict
I think you are kinda blinded... why would Osama want to descredit himself from what is the largest terrorist attack on the US? That's like giving a billion dollars to some joe-schmo blue-collar worker and telling him that the only catch is that he would have to "pretend" to have won the lottery.


im not sure how that discredits him if jayx's theory is correct. we already know a plane went down in pa and we are told it was by people inside the plane. the only thing telling the people that the government flew a plane into their own building does is get the governing body who invaded your home country impeached. And your analogy is really confusing im not sure i get it.

besides the real question is the second one. why would they do it? people already believe the plane in pa was overthrown from passengers inside. it doesnt do them any good to fly a plane into their building.

The pentagon knew about 9/11. They didnt want a plane crashing into the white house so they shot the plane in pa down. They wanted to make sure the plane hit the right part of the pentagon (part '4 days completed for structural repair') so they shot the 757 down where it dissapeared from the radar and replaced it with a small commuter jet and a rocket.


Posted by discojoe on Nov-13-2004 01:18:

haha so much evidence people just dont want to accept here is another one

http://www.septembereleventh.org/ne...-11-11-ryan.php

posted recently about the towers. check the site it has so much info, whistleblowers etc about what really happened.


Posted by dallastar on Nov-13-2004 01:22:

Shame / Disagreement HOW IT CHANGED MY LIFE...

quote:
Originally posted by Kytracid
Hmm, while i don't doubt it might have changed your life around, i always find it strange when people use 9/11 to add melodrama to their life. I mean, how exactly did 9/11 change your life if you didn't lose someone when the towers crashed. It might have interrupted a few flights if you were flying after 9/11, but to say it had a profound experience on your life is just BS.

It changed the lifes of the firemen who went inside that building...
Or the people who witnessed first hand people jumping out of their 90th story offices...

For the rest of us, it was merely a wake up call that terrorists can strike at any time, in any place. 9/11 only a talking point because it happened on US soil, if it had occured any place else, people would have forgotten about it in a matter of weeks, much like the embassy bombing in East Africa, or the nightclub bombings in Bali.

It changed my life all right...it changed it for about 12 hours when everyone was talking about the Towers, and every channel was showing the same images again and again. After a few days, the dust had settled and people moved on.



an explanation for you:

YOU see I worked in the hotel industry in toronto - and after that incident occured, hotels in toronto were losing business like craz, then i lost my job - got laid off and that was their reason (9/11)!

so in turn as you may or may not know the work force in toronto - was at an all time low. so i didn';t have a job for close to 8 months - didn't find anything related to what i went to skool for (Media Arts) or in the tourism industry.

IN turn... I moved to korea to teach english, b/c i found a high paying job there - to pay off some of my debts - skool, credit, loans, ect......

so this is a little explanation for you and don't ask me to go into any more detail for you - b/c any thing more is NONE OF YOUR GOD DAMN BUSINESS U SMARTASS FREAK! - OK!

as for everyone elses lives that were AFfected - BELIVE ME I KNOW~

OK!




end of discussion

BYE BYE!@






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People have their reasons to discuss issues! and that all i have to say about that...


Posted by AwakenedAddict on Nov-13-2004 01:33:

quote:
Originally posted by discojoe
im not sure how that discredits him if jayx's theory is correct.



The validity of "jayx1's theory" (lets just call it his for simplicity's sake) has no bearing on what you said.

You insisted that Osama would try to prove that he wasn't involved in 9/11.

I said that even if Osama wasn't involved in 9/11 he could still benefit from the fact that people thought it was him.


Posted by djshan on Nov-13-2004 05:31:

the boeing 757 is the most boring plane to fly in, and its the mst boring to watch. this is coming from an aviation enthusiast's ponit of view, which is me of course.

also im sorry for the ones affected by the tradgedy.


Posted by TheVrk on Nov-13-2004 05:47:

believe me when i say i dont believe hardly
ANYTHING when it comes to the media.
and that vid clip IS convincing.

from that i say, i wouldnt doubt it if it were true.
bush and the US are SO corrupt/deceiving that
this could possibly (and prolly) be true


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