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Posted by Project 7 on Nov-13-2004 21:24:

Jp-8000 Software Synth

Hi

Im looking for a Software Synth (VSTi) of the JP-8000 or something similar.

Ive looked through the Sticky and cant find anything similar to the JP-8000


Thanks


Posted by Perry on Nov-13-2004 21:29:

JP-8000 is a hardware if u want something use z3ta+
:>


Posted by DeZmA on Nov-13-2004 22:33:

use search it's been asked a zillion times


Posted by Hydroid on Nov-13-2004 23:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Perry
JP-8000 is a hardware if u want something use z3ta+
:>


yeah its great! also look for superwave perfomer!


Posted by seantyas on Dec-08-2004 11:02:

superwave kinda sux, z3ta would be the way to go..


superwave CAN be good but the fact that its made with synthedit holds it back in a big big way


Posted by Lombardo on Dec-08-2004 13:29:

Are there any other pieces (vst) that are like the z3ta. that thing is great!


Posted by onceler on Dec-08-2004 14:17:

look in the stickied topic at the top of this forum, there is a whole list of synths in there.


Posted by rb2k1 on Dec-08-2004 19:56:

Hey you should try Reaktor its made by native instruments. I have made an ensemble for it that replicates the JP's supersaw pretty well. Since your username is Airscape i figured i would do the sosei melody as an example.

Download: http://rb2k1.com/vst/reaktor/airsca...ktor%20ens).mp3



As mentioned Z3ta does a nice job as well.

~Ross B


Posted by seantyas on Dec-08-2004 20:20:

not anothre suggestion, but instead a recomendation.. ross' jp supersaw for reaktor is absolutely terrific


Posted by ManTrance on Dec-08-2004 20:32:

Hey ross

Any chance you could post a patch for the supersaw reaktor. Sounds most excellent.

Did you use any external effects?


Posted by djdustx on Dec-10-2004 03:42:

quote:
Originally posted by seantyas
superwave kinda sux, z3ta would be the way to go..


superwave CAN be good but the fact that its made with synthedit holds it back in a big big way


wtf...

well thats ur opinion and i respect that...but I DISAGREE TOTALLY...like i was never sure of disagreeing with someone as much as i am with ur statement

Have u Tried Agonyx?...this synth is great...and i Love the Superwave Bundle..pfft...

dont underestimate synthedit

Sebasano


Posted by thecYrus on Dec-10-2004 06:03:

sorry for triplepost..


Posted by thecYrus on Dec-10-2004 06:03:

quote:
Originally posted by djdustx
wtf...

well thats ur opinion and i respect that...but I DISAGREE TOTALLY...like i was never sure of disagreeing with someone as much as i am with ur statement

Have u Tried Agonyx?...this synth is great...and i Love the Superwave Bundle..pfft...

dont underestimate synthedit

Sebasano


what kind of monitors are you using? z3ta+ plays in a total other league than superwave. the sound of all those superwave-synths is somewhat of muddy.. and it sounds extremly digital. even worser than vanguard. z3ta is much betterin this direction. it has a clear and direct sound. but the effects on this synth are very cold...

but i guess you never heard a real JP before and even the JP doesn't play in the top-line of the hardware-synths..


Posted by thecYrus on Dec-10-2004 06:07:

sorry for triplepost..


Posted by Derivative on Dec-10-2004 09:32:

quote:
superwave CAN be good but the fact that its made with synthedit holds it back in a big big way


synthedit doesnt hold it back one bit. 'bad worksman' and 'blames tools' springs to mind.

cyrus. if its muddy then its probably aliasing and sticking on the frequency over half your sample rate back onto the bottom of the waveform. or its bass heavy because its low passed and superwaved.to compensate, EQ out some of the sub. if there a problem with mudiness or sibilance 99% of the time it is fixable with EQ, compression or layering it with other timbres to shift the focus away from it.

the only thing that makes superwave synths not quite so good is the fact that superwave dont really support their products. they take ages to answer problem emails and when they did to me they just said 'thanks for taking an interest in our product.' not good. it doesnt help that superwave pro/trance pro still has bugs in it. they still havent fixed that annoying glitch where the LFO doesnt play correctly for the first few seconds of playing. you also cannot determine the waveform and at at what point of the waveform the LFO oscillates from (peak, lowest point or 0 point), it always starts at the lowest point. the lowpass filter is also not very sensitive the first quarter of the way up the slider and then waaay too sensitive after that meaning that filter sweeps arent really that smooth and sound a bit jittery. these are fixes that people have been asking for since about march of this year (probably before, i only got it in march and the complaints were already there). they still havent fixed these problems to my knowledge. zeta differs in the sense that renee actually supports his product (very well too) and zeta has alot of patches made by third, semi professional and professional parties. with superwave pro you are on your own and dont expect additional patches to show you the ins and outs of the instrument.

ultimately, since the multi timbrality of all softsynths is dependant on your CPU, the CPU load of the synth (+ the effects you put on it) and your willingness to slog through with a latency of 350 ms, you can achieve amazing things with any of these instruments as long as you know what you doing and you know the instrument like the back of your hand.

and yes, djdust, agonyx does indeed rule.


Posted by rb2k1 on Dec-11-2004 06:42:

derivative have you created any synths using synthedit?

And for all asking about my ensemble im thinking of making it a donation program.. but until i figure out what im doing with the reaktor file feel free to grab my supersaw vst that ive offered for free (created with synthedit) get it here:

Supersaw VST v06



~Ross B


Posted by alanzo on Dec-11-2004 08:13:

ugh.... *saying this with a jp8000 in front of him*


just buy one ya pirating bastard


Posted by seantyas on Dec-11-2004 08:20:

blames tools? nah man, z3ta blows away superwave in terms of phatness, I will also prove that another way, change yer suprwave waveforms to saw, and all i here a thin ass tone.

put the jp8000 waveform to normal saw, and its quite thick, massive even.

also there is a bug that occurs when the buffer is cleared, not sure if its only on chords or single notes but occurs an all computers i have tested it on, where it phases the fist second of audio coming from it only afer buffer is cleared.

though this may not be such a big deal, problems like this hold it far back from being a 100% type synth and i reach for the z3ta instead of the superwave..

I dont know many bad worksmen that choose z3ta over simple interface superwave


Posted by Project 7 on Dec-11-2004 12:04:

quote:
Originally posted by alanzo
ugh.... *saying this with a jp8000 in front of him*


just buy one ya pirating bastard


why dont you just stfu

I was asking for a Software version not the Hardware and how does that make me a pirater


Posted by seantyas on Dec-11-2004 14:34:

it doesnt and i actualyl prefer software to hardware, of course providing it can make the cut.. im a firm believer in the potential laptop studio in upcoming years


Posted by alanzo on Dec-11-2004 18:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Airscape
why dont you just stfu

I was asking for a Software version not the Hardware and how does that make me a pirater


software = should buy.. but most likely won't

hardware = have to buy.. but most likely won't



let me know when find the holy grail


Posted by D-res on Dec-11-2004 18:28:

i just use the superwave p8 or my pro53... if you know how to use the pro53, you can get a beatiful sound out of it


Posted by DickieThijssen on Dec-11-2004 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by rb2k1
Hey you should try Reaktor its made by native instruments. I have made an ensemble for it that replicates the JP's supersaw pretty well. Since your username is Airscape i figured i would do the sosei melody as an example.

Download: http://rb2k1.com/vst/reaktor/airsca...ktor%20ens).mp3



As mentioned Z3ta does a nice job as well.

~Ross B

Can u plz give me that reaktor ensemble??? I am not able to recreate it, it's really nice


Posted by alanzo on Dec-11-2004 19:43:

quote:
Originally posted by DickieThijssen
Can u plz give me that reaktor ensemble??? I am not able to recreate it, it's really nice


what's with u and supersaws, Ross? heheh


Posted by Derivative on Dec-12-2004 01:38:

quote:
blames tools? nah man, z3ta blows away superwave in terms of phatness, I will also prove that another way, change yer suprwave waveforms to saw, and all i here a thin ass tone.


ugh. zeta is a 6 oscillator monster with an extensive mod matrix and effects section. superwave trance pro is a 2 oscillator synth with a rather limited LFO and a simple delay on it. it also costs a 1/10th of the price of zeta and if you spend 24 quid (7 quid more), you get superwave pro with it. would be excellent value if it werent for the bugs. and unlike many cheapy VSTi softsynths it doesnt sound too out of place right in the front of a mix. blames tools? oh yes. ive heard too many tunes where people have made fruity's TS404 sound good to think that cheapy synths are good for nothing. zeta has a tighter bass end than trance pro, but both are different tools for different purposes. admittedly zeta is a more versatile instrument. but you can get cracking sounds out of both if you program it well and use it in the right place.

rb2k1. nope dont create synths in synthedit. i looked at the reaktor demo and it scared the living shit out of me. but i have used synthedit synths (superwave p8, pro, trance pro), supersaw plus demo and your supersaw 06. all of them are damn good little peices of software. for specific purposes though. i dont feel as if they are holding back my production. in fact, i think i have a hella lot to learn and the more i program these synths, the better sounds i can get out of them. i dont think i can keep up this rate of improvement. but right now, im the limiting factor in my productions. not my tools. i dont really expect this to change any time soon.

alot of people, not just here have a tendancy to blame their instruments for their own inability to get great sounds out of them.


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