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Posted by Matt on Nov-17-2004 20:31:

Survey for seminar!

I realize this probably should go in the Polls section, but I need some result quickly for a seminar I am giving tomorrow.

The idea is for you to select what first comes to mind, if I told you 2000 people died one night in India.

Please don't look up what actually happened, just give an honest answer


Posted by Vlad on Nov-17-2004 20:37:

Im going with Flood.


Posted by itsTrueSonic on Nov-17-2004 20:44:

i went with fire.
flood is too obvious. so i went with fire, the non-obvious natural disaster.


Posted by Slylee on Nov-17-2004 20:51:

hahah "terrorist attack".


i said flood because i saw something on the news about it one time.


Posted by mezzir on Nov-17-2004 22:16:

flood
seems obvious to me
...which probably means i'm missing something
but seriously, monsoon season is by far the most likely and probable reason for 2k casualties in one day as far as i can tell


Posted by denys envy on Nov-17-2004 22:18:

Bird flu!!1 Fuckin birds, Bush should focus on those sneaky airborne bastards, forget the terrorists the terrorists in the sky and on tree branches are our real threat


Posted by Floorfiller on Nov-17-2004 22:22:

i said flood...and i don't have any info on recent indian events...and i didn't read any replies...

i just figured they have a crazy wet season and are dependant on the natural yearly flooding of their rivers for food...kinda like egypt. but i could see sometimes more flooding happening then they can control...i dunno...






what's the answer


Posted by itsTrueSonic on Nov-17-2004 22:26:

i went with fire, because wasn't there an accident involving two trains colliding together, causing a massive fire ? .. or maybe i am thinking about the phillipines..


Posted by TweeK on Nov-17-2004 22:31:

My first thoughts would be "Wow, Pakistan Finally "NUKED" India".

Voted: War Casualties


Posted by CATHAIN on Nov-17-2004 22:38:

i went with war casualties, i vaguely remember hearing something about a disputed 'kashmir' region?


Posted by Matt on Nov-17-2004 23:32:

thanks guys!!! 23 votes should be enough to make the intended statement.


The incident I am referring to is the Chemical Disaster at Bhopal.

The plant, manufacturing industrial-strength pesticides, leaked 40 tons of MIC (very deadly gas) on the night of December 3, 1984, into the surrounding village of Bhopal.

The leak was not detected by the safety systems installed, because they had either been turned off, or were being repaired. The Union Carbide (now a subsidiary of Dow Chemical) plant was not up to the same standards as its plants in America.

At LEAST 2000 people were killed that night, and up to 8000 died during the following days. Up to 20000 men, women and children have died from the effects of the gas to this day.


Posted by Sunsnail on Nov-17-2004 23:34:

fuckkk that really sucks. voted flood


Posted by butterfly on Nov-17-2004 23:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Matt
thanks guys!!! 23 votes should be enough to make the intended statement.


The incident I am referring to is the Chemical Disaster at Bhopal.

The plant, manufacturing industrial-strength pesticides, leaked 40 tons of MIC (very deadly gas) on the night of December 3, 1984, into the surrounding village of Bhopal.

The leak was not detected by the safety systems installed, because they had either been turned off, or were being repaired. The Union Carbide (now a subsidiary of Dow Chemical) plant was not up to the same standards as its plants in America.

At LEAST 2000 people were killed that night, and up to 8000 died during the following days. Up to 20000 men, women and children have died from the effects of the gas to this day.


that is exactly the first thing that i thought of. that is one of the major incidents you learn about in every industrial safety class you will ever take.

by the way, you say here that the problem was due to not being up to safety standards but the bottom line was that it was people being dumbasses. most major saftey incident come down to human error. it also happens a lot more on night shift. safety standards are about mistaking proofing systems from people. i've also seen reports about Bhopal that attributed it to sabotage.


Posted by Boomer187 on Nov-17-2004 23:43:

gah, earthquake is not an option.


Posted by NiteMer on Nov-17-2004 23:47:

I had gone with flood too, but that's terrible.


Posted by Matt on Nov-18-2004 00:14:

quote:
Originally posted by butterfly
that is exactly the first thing that i thought of. that is one of the major incidents you learn about in every industrial safety class you will ever take.

by the way, you say here that the problem was due to not being up to safety standards but the bottom line was that it was people being dumbasses. most major saftey incident come down to human error. it also happens a lot more on night shift. safety standards are about mistaking proofing systems from people. i've also seen reports about Bhopal that attributed it to sabotage.


thats true, I was just paraphrasing really.


and there is some evidence that it was sagotage, but not really enough IMHO... of course Union Carbide backs the sabotage thing 120%.


Posted by Photo_bot_2k1 on Nov-18-2004 00:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Matt
thanks guys!!! 23 votes should be enough to make the intended statement.


The incident I am referring to is the Chemical Disaster at Bhopal.

The plant, manufacturing industrial-strength pesticides, leaked 40 tons of MIC (very deadly gas) on the night of December 3, 1984, into the surrounding village of Bhopal.

The leak was not detected by the safety systems installed, because they had either been turned off, or were being repaired. The Union Carbide (now a subsidiary of Dow Chemical) plant was not up to the same standards as its plants in America.

At LEAST 2000 people were killed that night, and up to 8000 died during the following days. Up to 20000 men, women and children have died from the effects of the gas to this day.


i was also tottally thinking about this exact incident. i saw something about it on a documentary once.

what the heck was the point of the vote?


Posted by Krypton on Nov-18-2004 00:19:

i remember hearing about a lot of people dying in india because a pesticide plant released a huge gas cloud overnight, that killed many people.

so its a chemical accident.


Posted by Matt on Nov-18-2004 01:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Photo_bot_2k1
i was also tottally thinking about this exact incident. i saw something about it on a documentary once.

what the heck was the point of the vote?




just making a point in my seminar that the issues surrounding the aftermath of Bhopal aren't getting the attention it deserves.


Posted by butterfly on Nov-18-2004 01:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Matt
just making a point in my seminar that the issues surrounding the aftermath of Bhopal aren't getting the attention it deserves.


i disagree with that. in relevant industries it gets a lot of attention. it is one of three major safety incidents in recent industrial history that is used to set an example of how the safety industry has progressed. (and i forgot what the other two are, maybe that nuclear plant in russia was one...) i work in an industry that is heavily impacted by OSHA, EPA, and other regulatory agencies and we put in a lot of effort to make sure our facility and product is safe for our employees, community and customers. Bhopal was one of those events that reshaped the way industry approaches safety. Just cause the general population doesnt talk about it anymore doesnt mean that its effects arent considered seriously in industry.


Posted by Spacey Orange on Nov-18-2004 01:24:

I'll reply to the poll only on the condition that you change your avatar.


Posted by Matt on Nov-18-2004 01:25:

quote:
Originally posted by butterfly
i disagree with that. in relevant industries it gets a lot of attention. it is one of three major safety incidents in recent industrial history that is used to set an example of how the safety industry has progressed. (and i forgot what the other two are, maybe that nuclear plant in russia was one...) i work in an industry that is heavily impacted by OSHA, EPA, and other regulatory agencies and we put in a lot of effort to make sure our facility and product is safe for our employees, community and customers. Bhopal was one of those events that reshaped the way industry approaches safety. Just cause the general population doesnt talk about it anymore doesnt mean that its effects arent considered seriously in industry.


has Bhopal been cleaned up?


no.



but it doesn't really matter if you disagree or not, it's a HIGH SCHOOL seminar that I am gonna get 90+ on anyway.


Posted by Matt on Nov-18-2004 01:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
I'll reply to the poll only on the condition that you change your avatar.


you sir, can go to hell.



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