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Posted by Psionic on Nov-20-2004 03:49:

George Orwell / Aldous Huxley

Brilliant authors, but are they also decades ahead of their time? I just got through reading Brave New World a second time and it scares me to see some of the things found in that novel are criticisms of our society today, yet the book was written over 50 years ago. If any of you have read any of their books, what are your thoughts on how society is changing?

Posted by Yoepus on Nov-20-2004 04:08:

You should watch Star Wars the movies by Georege Lucas. The guy is like a prophet. He is like so ahead of his time.... its amazing

We should all take a minute and pause after watching the grilling excitment and cool light-saber battles it has foretold. The guy was way ahead of his time. It is amazing how his critism still apply to like whats going on in this world today.

Posted by Reverend_Trance on Nov-20-2004 07:35:

Don't forget the novels of Albert Camus. That is some neat stuff about the meaningless of life. "The Stranger" and "The Plague" are great in my opinion.

Posted by Shakka on Nov-20-2004 12:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
You should watch Star Wars the movies by Georege Lucas. The guy is like a prophet. He is like so ahead of his time.... its amazing

We should all take a minute and pause after watching the grilling excitment and cool light-saber battles it has foretold. The guy was way ahead of his time. It is amazing how his critism still apply to like whats going on in this world today.

LOL

Posted by dhope on Nov-20-2004 14:22:

Indeed great writers. Brave New World is on my to-be-read-list.

Posted by George Smiley on Nov-20-2004 14:51:

Re: George Orwell / Aldous Huxley

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Originally posted by TruffleShuffle
Brilliant authors, but are they also decades ahead of their time? I just got through reading Brave New World a second time and it scares me to see some of the things found in that novel are criticisms of our society today, yet the book was written over 50 years ago. If any of you have read any of their books, what are your thoughts on how society is changing?

I liked 1984 but I thought Brave New World was crap

Posted by Spin Doctor on Nov-20-2004 16:32:

Re: Re: George Orwell / Aldous Huxley

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
I liked 1984 but I thought Brave New World was crap

Agreed � Brave New World is worth the read, and there are unquestionably some good concepts in it, but doesn�t have half the impact of 1984. Possibly because the savage boy takes every opportunity, about every 5 pages to say �Oh, brave new world which has such people.�

Posted by kaffeemeister on Nov-23-2004 14:18:

quote:
You should watch Star Wars the movies by Georege Lucas. The guy is like a prophet. He is like so ahead of his time.... its amazing

We should all take a minute and pause after watching the grilling excitment and cool light-saber battles it has foretold. The guy was way ahead of his time. It is amazing how his critism still apply to like whats going on in this world today.

Haha.... George Lucas's SW is kinda an excellent translation of religions around the world today, as well as that, it's utterly brillant briefing on different political system in place around the world, the corruption, the struggle for power ... Mehs, enough of my drivle.

Orwell and Hexley's books are just their personal interpretation of the way they see the world, and how it could/would be, if certain events occured simulataneously to create the world they described ; f.e. the rise of fascist authoritarian states in 1984

Posted by Zild on Nov-23-2004 15:59:

I'm pretty sure Yoepus was joking about George Lucas. Lucas copied everything in Star Wars from other authors anyway.

Posted by George Smiley on Nov-23-2004 18:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
I'm pretty sure Yoepus was joking about George Lucas. Lucas copied everything in Star Wars from other authors anyway.

Star Wars is a complete rip off of Dune

Posted by Zild on Nov-23-2004 18:25:

Yep.

Posted by Shakka on Nov-23-2004 18:52:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Star Wars is a complete rip off of Dune

You mean that a film that came out in 1977 is somehow a ripoff of a film that came out in 1984? Hmmm...elaborate please.

p.s. I realize that IMDB claims that there was some form of Dune movie in 1973, but evidence of such seems inconclusive. Furthermore, I'm sure the Dune you are speaking of is the Dune of 1984 with Kyle McLaughlin. More Deep!

Posted by Zild on Nov-23-2004 19:02:

He's talking about the Book by Frank Herbert, not the movie.

Posted by smokeape on Nov-24-2004 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
LOL

So it won't end up like a Bruce Willis movie?

HAHHAHAAAAHHAAAA!!
[[[smoke]]]

Posted by George Smiley on Nov-24-2004 14:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
You mean that a film that came out in 1977 is somehow a ripoff of a film that came out in 1984? Hmmm...elaborate please.

p.s. I realize that IMDB claims that there was some form of Dune movie in 1973, but evidence of such seems inconclusive. Furthermore, I'm sure the Dune you are speaking of is the Dune of 1984 with Kyle McLaughlin. More Deep!

The film you are refering to is a pretty shite film of a book called Dune (which was written before Star Wars and follows a similar theme

Posted by girllovingtvibe on Nov-24-2004 16:50:

What about DOUGLAS ADAMS????

Posted by Shakka on Nov-24-2004 17:34:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
The film you are refering to is a pretty shite film of a book called Dune (which was written before Star Wars and follows a similar theme

Well then, I stand corrected. Never read that book.

Posted by Zild on Nov-24-2004 18:20:

Its a very shite film, the book is teh win. One of the best ever.

Posted by josh4 on Nov-24-2004 23:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Well then, I stand corrected. Never read that book.

Posted by Shakka on Nov-29-2004 02:53:

quote:
Originally posted by josh4

You've read it to, 'ave you?

Posted by Tranceporter99 on Nov-29-2004 04:41:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Star Wars is a complete rip off of Dune

fuck beat me too it

Posted by tathi on Nov-29-2004 07:59:

in my opinion

Robert Heinlein - Stranger in a Strange Land
Frank Herbert - Dune (Vladimir Harkonen = Sharon? )

are up there with 1984

Posted by occrider on Nov-29-2004 16:07:

quote:
Originally posted by girllovingtvibe
What about DOUGLAS ADAMS????

My bible!

Posted by auujay on Nov-29-2004 16:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
You've read it to, 'ave you?
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The whole dune series is really great and I am not a huge sci-fi reader. I think the only sci-fi books I have read are:
2001
2010
Ender's Game
The Dune series (all of the ones written by Frank Herburt, none of the newer ones by his son)
Douglas Adams' "trilogy" (in five parts)

Douglas Adams is really quality stuff, though not sure if he belongs in the 1984/Brave New World category

PS - Brave New World was the best book I had to read in high school

Posted by rupert on Nov-30-2004 04:56:

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Frank Herbert - Dune (Vladimir Harkonen = Sharon

Myself and a friend were actually joking about the resemblance betwen Vladimir Harkonnen and Ariel Sharon. We had a great laugh.

But in all seriousness, Dune was an excellent book. What he did really well was bring ecology and sociology into the story. Herbert obviously closely studied human societies and the way they are structured in a way that enables them to exist in a harsh environment.

Dune also presents a rather grim portrayal of wars of liberation. The Fremen destroy the Harkonnens only to replace them with something much much worse.

The rest of the Dune series after the first two books, there are six in total, starts to lose the plot. Frank Herberts problem is he never created interesting characters, only interesting ideas, and environments.

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