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Ukrainian elections

Im surpriced no one have taken this up yet.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4036867.stm etc

anyway? comments?

the scary thing with this imo is the russias big support, putin is really scaring me

anyway, i hope and kinda think too that the ukrainian people will "win" this

The Kremlin's view is indeed that Ukraine belongs to Russia's sphere of influence. I see Ukraine's situation quite same, in relation to Russia, than of that of Finland about 85 years ago. What I mean is that while Ukraine/The Ukrainian Government is still stongly under the influence of Russia, the people is turning towards West. After all Russia isnt't a model to anyone nowadays...
I'm hoping that Ukrainian people prevails and democracy triumphs in Kiev, soon.

where's Vesa when u need him?

it's like my grandpa used to tell me. "you can take the man out of the KGB, but you can't take the KGB out of the man."















i'm kidding. my granpa never said that.

I was reading about this earlier today. I would like to see some media coverage on the event. From what I can understand, it certainly sounds like there are some shinanigans at work.

Does not matter who wins this? Things will not look up and scumbags in government will still pack their bank accounts from the treasury, while average people will get a stick up their ass. That is a primary reason why I moved out.

My sig says it all.

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Originally posted by Shakka I was reading about this earlier today. I would like to see some media coverage on the event. From what I can understand, it certainly sounds like there are some shinanigans at work.

watch some bbc man have been the main story the last 2-3 days

Colin Powell just said that the US isn't recognizing the results of the election...

(no links, just saw it on CNN)

I don't recognise the result of the 2000 US presidential election :-D

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Does not matter who wins this? Things will not look up and scumbags in government will still pack their bank accounts from the treasury, while average people will get a stick up their ass. That is a primary reason why I moved out.

I talked to a Ukranian earlier this year, and from what I gathered you are (unfortunately) right. The entire state apparatus is saturated with corrupt people and the sheer size of the task prevents anyone from fighting the status quo. I think we'll see Turkey in the EU before Ukraine.

Anyway, at least the election repercussions have been non-violent so far. Hope it stays that way.

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Originally posted by donegalredneck I don't recognise the result of the 2000 US presidential election :-D

What about 2004?

The only recognition I'll make in light of the 2004 election is that America is divided between the stupid and the extremely stupid, and that there are more of the latter than there are of the former.

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Originally posted by donegalredneck The only recognition I'll make in light of the 2004 election is that America is divided between the stupid and the extremely stupid, and that there are more of the latter than there are of the former.

So voting for kerry made people stupid and bush extremely stupid? Makes no sense to me considering there were only two candidates.

As for Ukraine, I have yet to read about hard evidence of miscalculations, if there are any I'd like a link to read. A simple recount should clear this whole mess up, and if they don't agree to it then it will just seem even more fishy. Looks like trouble now with strikes and mayhem.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil As for Ukraine, I have yet to read about hard evidence of miscalculations, if there are any I'd like a link to read. A simple recount should clear this whole mess up, and if they don't agree to it then it will just seem even more fishy. Looks like trouble now with strikes and mayhem.

I saw the defeated contender in an interview on EuroNews yesterday. He told about some evidence which the opposition had handed over to the supreme court in Ukraine and to diplomats from the EU. The EU went out and denounced the election results - and as far as I understood, that decision was taken based on the received evidence. AFAIK the main point of contention is the sudden invalidation of millions of votes by the election officials.

Re: Ukrainian elections

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Originally posted by St_Andrew the scary thing with this imo is the russias big support, putin is really scaring me

and @ the same time

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil So voting for kerry made people stupid and bush extremely stupid? Makes no sense to me considering there were only two candidates.

Don't take what I said literally. Americans are genaerlly perceived around the world to be "stupid Americans", and most of them voting for Bush made them even stupider than they were already.
That said I don't personally think you're all stupid

Have you seen the state of the defeated guys face? Apparently he was drugged.

Anyway Putin has just repeated his congratulations to the "winner". Hmmm scary indeed. Imagine whats going to happen if the defeated guy gets in?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil A simple recount should clear this whole mess up,

Recount of the rigged votes ? WTF are you talking about ? are you serious man ?

things are looking ugly these days
I hope our Ukranian friends go through this smoothly

on a side note
here is how Yushchenko looked like a couple of months ago


here is how he looks like after he got poisoned.



I can guess who was behind this

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Originally posted by dhope The Kremlin's view is indeed that Ukraine belongs to Russia's sphere of influence. I see Ukraine's situation quite same, in relation to Russia, than of that of Finland about 85 years ago. What I mean is that while Ukraine/The Ukrainian Government is still stongly under the influence of Russia, the people is turning towards West. After all Russia isnt't a model to anyone nowadays... I'm hoping that Ukrainian people prevails and democracy triumphs in Kiev, soon.

You, dude, off a moon fell or you do not know history absolutely? Ukrainians and Russians yet from a 5 century were one slavonic nation. Then the state was organized called Kievskaya Russ�. Nearer to our times territory of nowaday Ukraine belonged to Rech Pospolyta, to the Avstro-Hungurian Empire, to Russia or yet to someone. At the beginning of a 20 century Ukraine passed to Russia and the communist mode was restored. In the Second World War-time the Ukrainian nationalists wanted to go out from composition of USSR and passed to the side of the German Nazis. Detachment �SS Galychyna� was created which fighted on Nazis side. Then Germans began to militate against nationalists, and the last appeared between two armies: soviet and fascist. And while France signed capitulation before Germany, the Russian troops offered most cruel resistance to the fascists. After a couple of years they freed Ukraine, Poland, Czech, Hungary and other countries from the fascist mode.
You can ask: �what difference to Ukraine under whose power is: by a fascist or soviet�? Germans burned people in stoves, and other worked in concentration camps as slaves, and in a soviet union all people were equal, there were neither the poor nor rich.

The state gave work to all citizens of USSR on a profession, who worked, got a good money and lived on them perfectly, those, whoever wanted to work, put into prison, because society does not need parasites. . TV signal from abroad was blocked and people did not see a different erotica, pornography, prostitution and violence, and society had a high moral, people were friendly, good. That you saw in the American films about USSR is complete delirium of mad. Whoever lived here, doesn�t know on how such it was a good place. People loved and respected the country, and country valued the citizens.
Volte-faces on worst began after disintegration of USSR: the level of poverty grew to the highest level, and a moral fell down to the zero. There is nothing unusual if you will see in the street of a 8 years young child with a cigarette in teeth.

People voted for Yuschenko, which continuing traditions of nationalists of times of the Second World War (this you can see to the red-black flags � it�s a flag of �SS Galychyna�), and �patriots� which being abroad. I don�t understand, why they do not live in the favourite country, but hold meeting in other countries. Vitaly Klychko, resident in Germany, sold out at least 2 fights of book-maker for a year, arrived to support Yuschenko. A quite good company was going. People from east Ukraine, which work in mines and at the plant of heavy metallurgy, voted for Yanukovych, their voice is far more ponderable than western idlers. The Yanukovych�s Regions bring 80% of internal gross product! By the way, all factories on Ukraine were built by Russians, and all western architecture is Polish and Austrian. On itself Ukrainians would live in straw cottages, would dig vegetable garden and drink moonshine.

I live in Lvov (western Ukraine) where for Yanukovycha voted 6,63%, and I among them! Speaking about violations, I will notice that in my university the pictures of Yuschenko hung near dean's office, although by regulation of higher educational establishments of Ukraine it is forbidden to conduct political agitation.

I hate this country, ukrainian language (speak only russian) and want to leave from here yet from 1991 year, when Ukraine became independent. In spring I get a diploma, and me will not be here, but wish, that a country rather fell to pieces and was divided between Russia, Poland and yet anybody. East Ukraine with Crimea without western and central will live far better, and the last will fester very soon.

All Lvov�s region administration was yesterday dispersed because they supported Yanukovych! My friend�s father was the head of the Lvov region only yesterday, and today he nobody!!

To be Ukrainian is large disgrace, abroad all know Ukrainians as thieves and alcoholics, and does not want to take them on work!
Well, that I complete opposition to the stereotype of Ukrainian!

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Originally posted by stren Recount of the rigged votes ? WTF are you talking about ? are you serious man ?

I thought the problem was the not counting of valid votes as opposed to the creation of fake votes, but perhaps I am wrong. I'm not there so I just go by what I read.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil I thought the problem was the not counting of valid votes as opposed to the creation of fake votes, but perhaps I am wrong. I'm not there so I just go by what I read.

There were fake votes. Some places in the east had 101% turnout!! Even places with 90%+ turnout are obviously fraudulant.

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Originally posted by djash You, dude, off a moon fell or you do not know history absolutely? Ukrainians and Russians yet from a 5 century were one slavonic nation. Then the state was organized called Kievskaya Russ�. Nearer to our times territory of nowaday Ukraine belonged to Rech Pospolyta, to the Avstro-Hungurian Empire, to Russia or yet to someone. At the beginning of a 20 century Ukraine passed to Russia and the communist mode was restored. In the Second World War-time the Ukrainian nationalists wanted to go out from composition of USSR and passed to the side of the German Nazis. Detachment �SS Galychyna� was created which fighted on Nazis side. Then Germans began to militate against nationalists, and the last appeared between two armies: soviet and fascist. And while France signed capitulation before Germany, the Russian troops offered most cruel resistance to the fascists. After a couple of years they freed Ukraine, Poland, Czech, Hungary and other countries from the fascist mode. You can ask: �what difference to Ukraine under whose power is: by a fascist or soviet�? Germans burned people in stoves, and other worked in concentration camps as slaves, and in a soviet union all people were equal, there were neither the poor nor rich. The state gave work to all citizens of USSR on a profession, who worked, got a good money and lived on them perfectly, those, whoever wanted to work, put into prison, because society does not need parasites. . TV signal from abroad was blocked and people did not see a different erotica, pornography, prostitution and violence, and society had a high moral, people were friendly, good. That you saw in the American films about USSR is complete delirium of mad. Whoever lived here, doesn�t know on how such it was a good place. People loved and respected the country, and country valued the citizens. Volte-faces on worst began after disintegration of USSR: the level of poverty grew to the highest level, and a moral fell down to the zero. There is nothing unusual if you will see in the street of a 8 years young child with a cigarette in teeth. People voted for Yuschenko, which continuing traditions of nationalists of times of the Second World War (this you can see to the red-black flags � it�s a flag of �SS Galychyna�), and �patriots� which being abroad. I don�t understand, why they do not live in the favourite country, but hold meeting in other countries. Vitaly Klychko, resident in Germany, sold out at least 2 fights of book-maker for a year, arrived to support Yuschenko. A quite good company was going. People from east Ukraine, which work in mines and at the plant of heavy metallurgy, voted for Yanukovych, their voice is far more ponderable than western idlers. The Yanukovych�s Regions bring 80% of internal gross product! By the way, all factories on Ukraine were built by Russians, and all western architecture is Polish and Austrian. On itself Ukrainians would live in straw cottages, would dig vegetable garden and drink moonshine.

Yes it was a worker's paradise. Noone in the Soviet Union ever dissapeared or was murdered by the state.

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Originally posted by djash You, dude, off a moon fell or you do not know history absolutely? Ukrainians and Russians yet from a 5 century were one slavonic nation. Then the state was organized called Kievskaya Russ�. Nearer to our times territory of nowaday Ukraine belonged to Rech Pospolyta, to the Avstro-Hungurian Empire, to Russia or yet to someone. At the beginning of a 20 century Ukraine passed to Russia and the communist mode was restored. In the Second World War-time the Ukrainian nationalists wanted to go out from composition of USSR and passed to the side of the German Nazis. Detachment �SS Galychyna� was created which fighted on Nazis side. Then Germans began to militate against nationalists, and the last appeared between two armies: soviet and fascist. And while France signed capitulation before Germany, the Russian troops offered most cruel resistance to the fascists. After a couple of years they freed Ukraine, Poland, Czech, Hungary and other countries from the fascist mode. You can ask: �what difference to Ukraine under whose power is: by a fascist or soviet�? Germans burned people in stoves, and other worked in concentration camps as slaves, and in a soviet union all people were equal, there were neither the poor nor rich. The state gave work to all citizens of USSR on a profession, who worked, got a good money and lived on them perfectly, those, whoever wanted to work, put into prison, because society does not need parasites. . TV signal from abroad was blocked and people did not see a different erotica, pornography, prostitution and violence, and society had a high moral, people were friendly, good. That you saw in the American films about USSR is complete delirium of mad. Whoever lived here, doesn�t know on how such it was a good place. People loved and respected the country, and country valued the citizens. Volte-faces on worst began after disintegration of USSR: the level of poverty grew to the highest level, and a moral fell down to the zero. There is nothing unusual if you will see in the street of a 8 years young child with a cigarette in teeth. People voted for Yuschenko, which continuing traditions of nationalists of times of the Second World War (this you can see to the red-black flags � it�s a flag of �SS Galychyna�), and �patriots� which being abroad. I don�t understand, why they do not live in the favourite country, but hold meeting in other countries. Vitaly Klychko, resident in Germany, sold out at least 2 fights of book-maker for a year, arrived to support Yuschenko. A quite good company was going. People from east Ukraine, which work in mines and at the plant of heavy metallurgy, voted for Yanukovych, their voice is far more ponderable than western idlers. The Yanukovych�s Regions bring 80% of internal gross product! By the way, all factories on Ukraine were built by Russians, and all western architecture is Polish and Austrian. On itself Ukrainians would live in straw cottages, would dig vegetable garden and drink moonshine. I live in Lvov (western Ukraine) where for Yanukovycha voted 6,63%, and I among them! Speaking about violations, I will notice that in my university the pictures of Yuschenko hung near dean's office, although by regulation of higher educational establishments of Ukraine it is forbidden to conduct political agitation. I hate this country, ukrainian language (speak only russian) and want to leave from here yet from 1991 year, when Ukraine became independent. In spring I get a diploma, and me will not be here, but wish, that a country rather fell to pieces and was divided between Russia, Poland and yet anybody. East Ukraine with Crimea without western and central will live far better, and the last will fester very soon. All Lvov�s region administration was yesterday dispersed because they supported Yanukovych! My friend�s father was the head of the Lvov region only yesterday, and today he nobody!! To be Ukrainian is large disgrace, abroad all know Ukrainians as thieves and alcoholics, and does not want to take them on work! Well, that I complete opposition to the stereotype of Ukrainian!

You seem to be born in a wrong country. If you want comunist heaven go to North Korea, cause saying that soviets were better than the nazis is just outrageous. Haven't you heard about gulags ? And besides, you are too young to remember real comunist times.

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