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Is it just me, or has Martin's government has been busy lately? All these issues that Chr�tien seemed to put off for so long seem like they're getting resolved.

- Sea King Helicopter replacement contract
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...ters041123.html

- Coming clean with the Hep-C tainted blood scandal
http://www.canada.com/national/nati...a7-1d63aa2e5aaa

- Northern Canada's sovereignty issues
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Edmon.../23/726852.html

Merely a show or a government with a mind to get things done?

if only hed figure out where the HDRC money went. And admit to the adscam affair.

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Originally posted by amb_ - Coming clean with the Hep-C tainted blood scandal http://www.canada.com/national/nati...a7-1d63aa2e5aaa

^^^ saw this on Global last nite...good for the poor victims

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Originally posted by Jayx1 if only hed figure out where the HDRC money went. And admit to the adscam affair.

Isn't the judicial inquiry still underway? I thought Justice John Gomery was doing a commendable job...

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Originally posted by amb_ Is it just me, or has Martin's government has been busy lately? All these issues that Chr�tien seemed to put off for so long seem like they're getting resolved. - Sea King Helicopter replacement contract http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...ters041123.html

Of course, we would have already HAD the new helicopters if Chretien hadn't cancelled the original EH-101 contract in the first place.

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Originally posted by baystreetboi Of course, we would have already HAD the new helicopters if Chretien hadn't cancelled the original EH-101 contract in the first place.

Which is my whole point... Martin seems to be making a lot of movement, whereas Chr�tien (at least in his later days as PM) seemed to slow things down.

Until some high level POLITICIANS get charged and prosecuted i wont be content. They clearly knew what was going on.

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Originally posted by amb_ Is it just me, or has Martin's government has been busy lately? ... Merely a show or a government with a mind to get things done?

I think the minority mandate has given his administration the kick in the ass that was needed. Chrietien coasted through the end of his term...you rarely heard him in the media at all. It was as if he was on some kind of holiday or something.

I think there is a lot being done now...however many of Martin's detractors (particularly those here) will likely not have a good word to say about him, regardless of what he and his people do. You seek commentary on there appearing to be movement on other issues and the reply is 'what about the Ad Scandal' and talk about Chretien. That's great, lol...but to be expected, I supppose

Interesting to see (unless I missed the thread) that no one made any mention of Stockwell Day's latest media flop. When is this guy going to go away? He should get together with Ms. Parrish and compare notes on how to be a tactless idiot, lol.

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Originally posted by MarkT Interesting to see (unless I missed the thread) that no one made any mention of Stockwell Day's latest media flop. When is this guy going to go away? He should get together with Ms. Parrish and compare notes on how to be a tactless idiot, lol.

At least 22 Minutes and Air Farce have been entertaining lately.

^^^

all such shows had a vested interest in Bush remaining in power too, hahaha

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Originally posted by amb_ Merely a show or a government with a mind to get things done?

Minority government and outspoken opposition.

It's good to see that democracy still works *somewhat*. We've got a long way to go, though.

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Originally posted by MarkT Interesting to see (unless I missed the thread) that no one made any mention of Stockwell Day's latest media flop. When is this guy going to go away? He should get together with Ms. Parrish and compare notes on how to be a tactless idiot, lol.

Ahahahahaha...it's like you read my mind and beat me to it.........

When Martin uses the surplus to pay off our debt i'll be praising him. For now all i see still is lots of waste, too much tax and a lot of talking.

Give me a government committed to lowering our costs in order to increase our services and i'll praise that government even if its the NDP.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 When Martin uses the surplus to pay off our debt i'll be praising him. For now all i see still is lots of waste, too much tax and a lot of talking.

So....are you saying that you believe the conservative govt. has done and would do that, if back in power? Or Do you not trust any govt. party right now?

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Give me a government committed to lowering our costs in order to increase our services and i'll praise that government even if its the NDP.

In a perfect world this would be true....but your ideal of lowering costs to increase services is more of a liberal theory/tactic. No conservative party has ever done this....actually, they do have the esteemed reputation of decreasing services.

Yeah, after what, 10 yrs of talking about these issues??

The amount of suffering caused by the buck passing of the Liberals in regards to these issues suddenly doesn't go away.

Don't tell me any of you want to commend these people after their idiocy and cowardice in not taking responsibility for these issues is the reason they hit such a critical state.

They should be ashamed of their record, and all of you know it.

Also this is about the 3rd or 4th time this contract has been "settled" under the Liberals.. whoopie!!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 When Martin uses the surplus to pay off our debt i'll be praising him. For now all i see still is lots of waste, too much tax and a lot of talking. Give me a government committed to lowering our costs in order to increase our services and i'll praise that government even if its the NDP.

I'm tempted to put this quote in my sig...just to hold u to it, lol...j/k

LOL im serious... its not about parties for me. What it is about is getting to what is needed to be done. So far the only party that comes close to what i believe should be done is the conservatives. If the Liberals were true Liberals i would vote for them. But sadly since trudeau the liberal party has been wastful and corrupt.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 LOL im serious... its not about parties for me. ...But sadly since trudeau the liberal party has been wastful and corrupt.

Corruption is a 2-way street. But I do miss the trudeau yrs, things are just not the same now

And for me Mulroney was an Ahole the set back the trust in conservative views.

are you kidding? Trudeau's administration is the root of everything that is wrong with Canadian politics today.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 are you kidding? Trudeau's administration is the root of everything that is wrong with Canadian politics today.

OK jay...you have your opinion and I have mine...so let's just show our respect for the man and leave it there.

But in my defence...my majors in U of T was History and Politics...so I beg to differ on your views of what's wrong with todays canadian politics. Now I don't think you want me to go there...do you? b/c u know I rely heavily on historical facts. So let's just show our respect for each others opins and walk away b4 it gets ugly

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Originally posted by b4k-oz OK jay...you have your opinion and I have mine...so let's just show our respect for the man and leave it there. But in my defence...my majors in U of T was History and Politics...so I beg to differ on your views of what's wrong with todays canadian politics. Now I don't think you want me to go there...do you? b/c u know I rely heavily on historical facts. So let's just show our respect for each others opins and walk away b4 it gets ugly

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

It would be interesting to have this discussion actually...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 It would be interesting to have this discussion actually...

Maybe one day....but for now...no way...too busy and way too long a discussion

later

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Originally posted by b4k-oz But in my defence...my majors in U of T was History and Politics...so I beg to differ on your views of what's wrong with todays canadian politics. Now I don't think you want me to go there...do you? b/c u know I rely heavily on historical facts. So let's just show our respect for each others opins and walk away b4 it gets ugly

In every single political post I've read from you on this forum I have not seen one single item even remotely resembling a "fact". All I see from you is a lot of Pretension Pasta with Moralizing Marinara and Speculation Sauce (sorry, I'm hungry).

Just because you've got your degree in Brainwashing 101 doesn't mean you're qualified to comment on political issues, and especially doesn't mean you know the first thing about economics. How about instead of the old "RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH BECAUSE I HAVE TEH L33T POLITIKZ D3GREE", you actually try putting together a cohesive argument for once?

TURDeau is single-handedly responsible for synonymizing the word "liberal" with "corrupt and wasteful statism and the violation of individual rights". Respect!!?? I might refrain from dancing on his grave but I can't stop myself from cringing at the mention of his name. And just for your information, with respect to your comment here:

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In a perfect world this would be true....but your ideal of lowering costs to increase services is more of a liberal theory/tactic. No conservative party has ever done this....actually, they do have the esteemed reputation of decreasing services.

You COMPLETELY misunderstood the concept. Jay was talking about getting rid of all the bloody red tape on our essential services and (I'm assuming) making them at least semi-private if not fully private. That is the only way to get rid of the waste and to bring the services up to a reasonable level of quality, because it is the only way that the people performing the services will actually have INCENTIVE to perform them WELL. The "liberal" solution is to throw more money at it, just like the Liberals are doing for health care now, without any concrete plan for how it's going to be spent.

You want to explain to me how you're going to get people to work hard and manage their money wisely when there's no reward whatsoever for doing so (or punishment for doing the exact opposite)?

^^^ What he said.


One of the key factors to the collapse of the Soviet Union was that since there was little incentive to work, the system became so expensive and inefficient that it went broke. Much like where our health care system is headed.

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