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Whatever happened to English football clubs being alright?

These days it seems that English football clubs are well behind their counterparts from other leagues.

Why have English clubs fallen so far in quality in recent years?

Lets have a quick look at the English clubs in the champions league.

Liverpool: Haha, how shit are they? In the last game they got beaten by Monaco and you could tattoo the words 'team work' onto each of their foreheads and they still wouldn't know what it meant.

No-one is under any illusions that this once great club that used to win stuff has no hope of doing so ever again, they have totally changed a winning culture into one laziness, poor buying and a pretty low care factor about anything. The most they can hope for is qualifying for the champions league and trying to play as many games as possible to make some money.

Manchester United: Fergie has lost his touch, the previous champions have lost their touch and they continue to buy overpriced shit players. Don't believe the hype that their younger players will become stars and will help regain previous glory because you might as well go buy a lottery ticket. Yesterday's heroes in the full sense of the term, no chance of getting near to winning the champions league.

Arsenal: A team that is good when the going is good, but choke when there is any hint of pressure. The biggest team of softcock pansies in world football that freak out when it comes to running onto a pitch with the champions league music. Having French in the team is some excuse, and they only are decent domestically because the standard of opposition is so weak.

An absolute joke of a team that will fall apart shortly in the champions league, unless you consider that they might have already done that.

Chelsea: You know if someone outside of England supports Chelsea that they've only been following the game for a couple of years or less. After breaking all previous records of spending the most money without actually winning anything, Chelsea are set to become the running jokes of world football for many years to come.

The only conclusion is that English football has concentrated for too many years on marketing, buying big name rejects from other leagues, and having the weakest coaches, and the recent record of English clubs and players on the world stage is evidence of this. The English Premierships needs to consider bringing in some minimum standards of technical skill, maybe the players can do some sort of exam, so that we don't have to endure watching these hacks kicking a ball from one end to the other in the air.

Are you related to spec or that other bloke that was also an Aussie with German ties.

tobias very well said my friend , english football is shite

where is the liverpool of the 80s , the man u of the mid 90s , etc ...

Not trying to defend English football but Chelsea has one of the best records in this years champions league and currently top their group. Man Utd also top their group. Which of the German "giants" of world football currently top their champions league group?

Chelsea seem to be the only team in england capable of winning the Champ League this year, as much as I hate chelsea :|

I wouldn't say that English football is shite. For several years running in the late 90s Italian clubs failed to make it to the Quarter finals (if the knockout stages at all), and Spanish clubs (apart from Real Madrid) have only come to the forefront during the late 90s (with the demise of Italian football during that time). Dominance of regional football comes in waves.

Your analysis of the teams seems to be simplistic at best and restricted to general, layman impressions that tabloids like The Sun like to propogate. Manchester United have consistently made it the quarter finals or semi finals for the better part of a decade now. Chelsea finally seem to be headed in the right direction under the command of Maurinho (albeit thanks to the lubrication of Russian oil) and you can only really start calling them a joke if they don't win anything this year.

If we really must be captious; Spanish, Italian and German clubs are just as amiss as English clubs as witnessed by their resignation to two clubs from traditionally inferior leagues last year: French (Monaco) and Portugese (Porto).

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Arsenal: A team that is good when the going is good, but choke when there is any hint of pressure. The biggest team of softcock pansies in world football that freak out when it comes to running onto a pitch with the champions league music. Having French in the team is some excuse, and they only are decent domestically because the standard of opposition is so weak. An absolute joke of a team that will fall apart shortly in the champions league, unless you consider that they might have already done that.

that's going too far. arsenal are undoubtly a world class team, they might not be on one of their best moments but they do have the talent and team structure.

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Chelsea: You know if someone outside of England supports Chelsea that they've only been following the game for a couple of years or less. After breaking all previous records of spending the most money without actually winning anything, Chelsea are set to become the running jokes of world football for many years to come.

Been following football for 10 years, enough? I understand what you're saying though, i've never liked them that much, and i'm only supporting them cause they have at least 7 portuguese guys there. However they seem really damn solid now, so it's quite possible they might end up actually winning something this year.

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The only conclusion is that English football has concentrated for too many years on marketing, buying big name rejects from other leagues, and having the weakest coaches, and the recent record of English clubs and players on the world stage is evidence of this. The English Premierships needs to consider bringing in some minimum standards of technical skill, maybe the players can do some sort of exam, so that we don't have to endure watching these hacks kicking a ball from one end to the other in the air.

Again an overstatement. I'll agree that english clubs and the premiership are a bit overrated, but you're making it sound like they're complete crap, and they're not by any means.

Anyway dunno why i'm replying seriously to you, you've proved to be a flaming troll in the past.

Whatever happened to the fans that only enjoyed the sport.

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Originally posted by fastmp3 tobias very well said my friend , english football is shite where is the liverpool of the 80s , the man u of the mid 90s , etc ...

and the Everton of the 80s.

I'm afraid I'll have to say the import of foreign players. I wish the English League would just be English like it used to be. I can't stand teams like Chelsea who have one or two (at best) home players.

Smitty you never cease to astonish me ! now it's the turn of foreign players let's get rid of them bastards

have you ever thought why there are too many foreign players ? basically it's because english players are shite (literally)

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Originally posted by t�bias Arsenal: Having French in the team is some excuse, and they only are decent domestically because the standard of opposition is so weak.

what would be Arsenal without it's frenchies?

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Originally posted by fastmp3 Smitty you never cease to astonish me ! now it's the turn of foreign players let's get rid of them bastards have you ever thought why there are too many foreign players ? basically it's because english players are shite (literally)

actually that's crap and you know it. 1980's and mid 90s = English teams with mostly English players = great teams like Everton, Liverpool, Man United. In the last 6 or 7 years, the import of foreign players (a lot of it has to do with a lack of English managers) and the result has been less successful English teams. Not wholly to blame, but definitely a part of it.

It has nothing to do with race, but it's my opinion that the European Leagues should put a cap on how many foreign players they can have on each team. I know I'm not alone on this.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 actually that's crap and you know it. 1980's and mid 90s = English teams with mostly English players = great teams like Everton, Liverpool, Man United. In the last 6 or 7 years, the import of foreign players (a lot of it has to do with a lack of English managers) and the result has been less successful English teams. Not wholly to blame, but definitely a part of it. It has nothing to do with race, but it's my opinion that the European Leagues should put a cap on how many foreign players they can have on each team. I know I'm not alone on this.

are you fucking retarded?

so your saying the reason the english teams dont do well in europe is because of foreign? If english players were good enough, they would get on ahead of the foreign players.

If united had to have a team with only english players they would be shit. look at them now. First 11 theres scholes, rooney, ferdinand, nevilles,giggs and thats its. They would of never won the champions league back in 99 or whenever without the foreign players. If english players were good enough they would make it onto the teams anyway

if england put a cap on foreign players it would be even shitter then it is now

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The only conclusion is that English football has concentrated for too many years on marketing,

In 1992 English Clubs were facing huge costs, as the scale of meeting the recommendations of the Taylor report (new rules to improve the stage of the game) became apparent. In addition many top clubs voiced growing concerns over their inability to compete for the top players in the transfer market and bridge the gap with European clubs who had advanced considerably during the English Clubs enforced exile from European competition.

A 5 year ban equalled a 10 year drop in playing standards .

Just look at the record for English clubs just before the ban.

European Cup

1977 Liverpool
1978 Liverpool
1979 Nottingham Forest
1980 Nottingham
1981 Liverpool
1982 Aston Villa
1984 Liverpool

UEFA Cup
1981 Ipswich Town
1984 Tottenham Hotspur

Cup Winners Cup
1985 Everton

Do you think there be a need for the 'breakaway' Premier League if there wasn't the 5 year ban (6 for Liverpool) on English clubs?

Maybe it would be still called Football League Division One, and who knows maybe Man United wouldn't of dominated in the 1990s, Everton crowned European Champions or another decade of domestic dominance for Liverpool?

English football has focused on so much for marketing, because nothing else would rescue them from the effects of the ban.

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Originally posted by Michael19 are you fucking retarded? so your saying the reason the english teams dont do well in europe is because of foreign? If english players were good enough, they would get on ahead of the foreign players. If united had to have a team with only english players they would be shit. look at them now. First 11 theres scholes, rooney, ferdinand, nevilles,giggs and thats its. They would of never won the champions league back in 99 or whenever without the foreign players. If english players were good enough they would make it onto the teams anyway if england put a cap on foreign players it would be even shitter then it is now

no STUPID...do you not know what "wholly" means? It is part of the problem and many people will tell you so. English players ARE good enough, but with so many imports, there are limited spots for English players to come up through the ranks. The same thing is happening, though much worse, in Scotland. This fact has also had a dire effect on the NATIONAL teams. Scotland used to actually compete...now they're shit. Why? Because hardly any Scottish players play in Scotland anymore.

Plus you know, I'd also argue the EPL is lacking these days in quality BECAUSE of all the imports. Swan diving Europeans (read Christiano Ronaldo and his like) have taken much of the physical element out of the English game in the recent years and the influx of non-English managers have seen the death of old style English football. Does anybody even play the long ball anymore?

All I'm saying is, the English Premiereship is based in England comprised of all English teams. Therefore, to protect their game and their great league, the English teams should start thinking about capping the amount of foreign players a team can have. Other European Leagues should do the same. Look at Liverpool for instance...that idiot Benetiez comes in and sells off every English player except Girrard and ALMOST got rid of him too! It's better for the supporters if they have home grown talent.

But what would you know anyway? You're from Ireland so you can't identify.

Foreign player caps is just not very likely to happen, at least with EU players as there was the Bosman law and i guess they don't wanna risk getting in a massive court mess in the future.

As for english vs foreign players.. foreign players didn't decrease the quality of football, the only thing it changed was the cultural aspect and the traditional style of play. Just because it's typical english and the supporters identify with it doesn't mean it works on the pitch. Of course they end up closing more doors for the english ones, but the consequence of that should be on the english national team, not on the clubs. I don't think the fact that there's more foreign players is a very significant factor on the (supposed) lack of success of english clubs.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Look at Liverpool for instance...that idiot Benetiez comes in and sells off every English player except Girrard and ALMOST got rid of him too!

Actually he only sold Murphy and Owen.

Oh he didn't want to sell Owen, Michael Owen made up his mind about going to Real anyway, and Benitez didn't want a Bosman situation, so he had to sell him.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 no STUPID...do you not know what "wholly" means? It is part of the problem and many people will tell you so. English players ARE good enough, but with so many imports, there are limited spots for English players to come up through the ranks. The same thing is happening, though much worse, in Scotland. This fact has also had a dire effect on the NATIONAL teams. Scotland used to actually compete...now they're shit. Why? Because hardly any Scottish players play in Scotland anymore. Plus you know, I'd also argue the EPL is lacking these days in quality BECAUSE of all the imports. Swan diving Europeans (read Christiano Ronaldo and his like) have taken much of the physical element out of the English game in the recent years and the influx of non-English managers have seen the death of old style English football. Does anybody even play the long ball anymore? All I'm saying is, the English Premiereship is based in England comprised of all English teams. Therefore, to protect their game and their great league, the English teams should start thinking about capping the amount of foreign players a team can have. Other European Leagues should do the same. Look at Liverpool for instance...that idiot Benetiez comes in and sells off every English player except Girrard and ALMOST got rid of him too! It's better for the supporters if they have home grown talent. But what would you know anyway? You're from Ireland so you can't identify.

So the EPL is lacking in quality these days, and too fix it, there should be managers who like to play the long ball approach?! Thats the most painfully shit form of football to watch.

Your a complete spanner. Beneztiz comes in and sells every English player? oh jesus. He begged gerrard to stay actually, and he didnt have much choice over owen. Since when did he sell off carragher and kirkland?

here go and learn something about football and come back to us. Cos your just making a tit out of yourself at the moment

guys don't mind him , he lives in canada ... they call it soccer there

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Originally posted by fastmp3 guys don't mind him , he lives in canada ... they call it soccer there

Good one!

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Originally posted by fastmp3 guys don't mind him , he lives in canada ... they call it soccer there

So do you!

And "soccer" was first invented by the British because it is properly known as "Association Football" even today. The trend quickly died though but not before it was crossed over to North America by sailors where it stuck.

argh it's football ffs the other sport should be called american football

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