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Media blackout on voter fraud here in the USA so we can be sidetracked by voter fraud in the Ukraine:

Newer articles:

Ukraine court annuls poll result

Outsiders warned off Ukraine poll

older:


Crowds blockade Kiev government

Ukraine's Yushchenko Open to Talks

Ukraine drama closely watched here

Ukraine's parliament rejects election results

Ukraine Parliament Calls Election Invalid

Ukraine Opposition Sets Deadline for Kuchma to Fire Yanukovych

Ukraine Watches Supreme Court as Poll Crisis Deepens

Russia ‘will back force’ by Ukraine president

Ukrainian Police Use Tear-Gas Against Demonstrators — Yushchenko Aide

more articles as news progresses.

Tass.ru online articles:

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I wish the Ukrainians good luck.

I think what's going on in the Ukraine now is everything Americans feared would go on here during our election. It's very scary, and I'm sure glad I'm not in the Ukranian position at this point.

Ukraine's parliament has voted that the result of the country's disputed elections should be annulled, and the country's Central Election Commission should be dissolved.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europ...aine/index.html

No shit, with 11,000 instances of vote fraud that the opposition party took to the courts.

Hopefully we get another election going that won't be rigged this time.

And what's so scary about what's going on in Ukraine? There's no violence between the two groups of supporters at all. Those people aren't there because they are sore losers with violence the only thing to make them feel better, but because their victory was stolen from them thanks to voter fraud on Yanukovich's part, and they want justice. What, you wouldn't want justice?

Maybe there should be a worldwide organization to monitor votes?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Maybe there should be a worldwide organization to monitor votes?

I think there are at least a few

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Maybe there should be a worldwide organization to monitor votes?

The E.U. and the U.S. both tried to withold the results from the public until they could review and make sure the votes weren't tampered with but Kuchma declared Yanukovych the new president. But the new headlines say the election is annuled, so we'll just have to wait it out.

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Originally posted by Cal Ukraine's parliament has voted that the result of the country's disputed elections should be annulled, and the country's Central Election Commission should be dissolved. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europ...aine/index.html No shit, with 11,000 instances of vote fraud that the opposition party took to the courts. Hopefully we get another election going that won't be rigged this time. And what's so scary about what's going on in Ukraine? There's no violence between the two groups of supporters at all. Those people aren't there because they are sore losers with violence the only thing to make them feel better, but because their victory was stolen from them thanks to voter fraud on Yanukovich's part, and they want justice. What, you wouldn't want justice?

I wouldn't want 11,000 cases of voting fraud and even the need for a re-election. I have nothing wrong with seeking justice, or a fair election, I just think it's sad/scary that it's even come to this point. I hope they do get to the bottom of things, I'm just sorry they've even had to worry about it in the first place.

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Originally posted by Cal And what's so scary about what's going on in Ukraine? There's no violence between the two groups of supporters at all. Those people aren't there because they are sore losers with violence the only thing to make them feel better, but because their victory was stolen from them thanks to voter fraud on Yanukovich's part, and they want justice. What, you wouldn't want justice?

I think you're kinda underestimating the situation there. The country is clearly divided in 2 pretty polarized entities. It looks even though as it might split in two parts.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I think you're kinda underestimating the situation there. The country is clearly divided in 2 pretty polarized entities. It looks even though as it might split in two parts.

the american election was very divided aswell, but the o****ry was never ever gonna split in 2 over it. Cant see that happening in the Ukraine either

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Originally posted by Michael19 the american election was very divided aswell, but the o****ry was never ever gonna split in 2 over it. Cant see that happening in the Ukraine either

The United States also didn't have wide-spread protests aimed at shutting down the government, or a governing body that declared the results of the elction null. At this point, and as said before, I thinking we're all grossly underestimating the serverity of the situation.

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Threat of east-west split looms in Ukraine By Stefan Wagstyl in Kiev and Tom Warner in Donetsk Published: November 28 2004 15:14 | Last updated: November 28 2004 21:02 Regional leaders in eastern Ukraine on Sunday raised the stakes in the bitter dispute over the presidential election by threatening to seek autonomy if prime minister Viktor Yanukovich was denied victory. President Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland, who has been mediating in the dispute, warned of a “realistic risk” of an east-west split in Ukraine, particularly in a clear reference to Russia if it were supported by outside forces. Mr Yanukovich, who is backed by Moscow, visited his strongholds in eastern Ukraine, where regional political leaders meeting in Luhansk called for a referendum on December 12 to establish an autonomous region. The leaders' vote, which has no legal force, highlighted widespread anger in the east at opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko's success in mobilising other central and western regions, including Kiev. Mr Yushchenko, supported by the US and the European Union, has rejected Mr Yanukovich's election victory, saying the vote was rigged. Mr Yanukovich told Reuters he did not support a referendum on autonomy. He urged protesters to avoid violence: “I say that today we are on the brink of catastrophe. There is one step to the edge . . .Do not take any radical steps. . . When the first drop of blood is spilled, we will not be able to stop it.” The Supreme Court is expected on Monday to consider the appeal by Mr Yushchenko to declare the vote fraudulent and invalid, in a move which his supporters hope could pave the way for new elections next month. The rival camps made little progress over the weekend in talks aimed at resolving the political crisis, let alone in setting conditions for new elections. Mr Yanukovich's supporters insisted he was the election winner, while Mr Yushchenko demanded the resignation of Mr Yanukovich, cabinet ministers and officials allegedly involved in election fraud. Mr Yushchenko urged his followers to maintain the protests that have involved hundreds of thousands of people across the country, including Kiev, where he has ignored demands from President Leonid Kuchma to lift a blockade of official buildings. Mr Kuchma on Sunday responded with a veiled threat to deploy the security forces. Echoing the words last week of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, who has openly backed Mr Yanukovich, he warned that blockades were inadmissible in any state and that democratic governments had learnt how to respond firmly in such situations. Roman Zvarych, an aide to Mr Yushchenko, said supporters had asked the security services to investigate rumours Russian troops had arrived in Ukraine. In a sign that he might be open to compromise, Mr Kuchma said he welcomed Saturday's meeting of parliament, where deputies declared the elections invalid. The vote has no legal force, but sends a strong political signal.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Maybe there should be a worldwide organization to monitor votes?

Sure like we really need to have the UN interfere in anyones' internal affairs.

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Originally posted by Michael19 the american election was very divided aswell, but the o****ry was never ever gonna split in 2 over it. Cant see that happening in the Ukraine either

That's why there's a media blackout as intended.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono The United States also didn't have wide-spread protests aimed at shutting down the government, or a governing body that declared the results of the elction null. At this point, and as said before, I thinking we're all grossly underestimating the serverity of the situation.

If the people of America are told the truth about voter fraud then of course there would be wide spread protests.

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Originally posted by ogvh5150 If the people of America are told the truth about voter fraud then of course there would be wide spread protests.

I'm all ears. Call me naive, but I don't think we have nearly the problem here as they do there. I'm not saying our system is perfect or free from fraud, but our entire election doesn't hang in the peril because of it.

You're right. We can stand 8 years of GW Bush.

Besides Kerry would not have been any better. It is a one party system and I am not talking about Democratic, Republican or Independent parties.

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Originally posted by The Declaration of Independence IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.....

November 3, 2004 WhatReallyHappened Readers Letters

Hah eastern Ukraine isn't going to split, unless Yanukovich cheats again, that is. Being upset over elections and protesting is one thing, but seeking autonomy over that is totally another. Its simply a bluff from Yanukovich's rabid supporters, and one that is very sensationalized in the media.

Can't wait for the supreme court announcement.

The supreme court postponed its verdict...what can this mean ? Are they influenced by the authorities as well ?

I smell shinanigans...

Was Yushchenko poisoned?

The pictures are much more interesting...

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Mystery surrounds Yushchenko ailment Thursday, November 25, 2004 Posted: 0942 GMT (1742 HKT) VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- What ails Viktor Yushchenko? As Ukraine's popular pro-Western opposition leader claimed victory Tuesday in hotly contested presidential elections, the mystery surrounding an appearance-altering illness that twice prompted him to check into a Vienna hospital persisted. Yushchenko accused the Ukrainian authorities of poisoning him. His detractors suggested he'd eaten some bad sushi. Adding to the intrigue, the Austrian doctors who treated him have asked foreign experts to help determine if his symptoms may have been caused by toxins found in biological weapons. Medical experts said they may never know for sure what befell Yushchenko. But the illness, whatever it was, has dramatically changed his appearance since he first sought treatment at Vienna's private Rudolfinerhaus clinic on September 10. Known for his ruggedly handsome, almost movie star looks, Yushchenko's complexion is now pockmarked. His face is haggard, swollen and partially paralyzed. One eye often tears up. Doctors at Rudolfinerhaus declined to comment Tuesday. By the time Yushchenko checked out of the clinic last month after returning for follow-up treatment, physicians said they could neither prove nor rule out that he had been poisoned. Dr. Nikolai Korpan, who oversaw Yushchenko's treatment in Vienna, said the cause of his illness remained "totally open.'' Doctors were unable to confirm suspicions of poisoning because Yushchenko first checked into the clinic four days after the symptoms appeared -- too late for tests to show if poisoning had occurred, Korpan said. At Rudolfinerhaus, Yushchenko underwent a week of intensive treatment for several illnesses, including acute pancreatitis, a viral skin disease and nerve paralysis on the left side of his face, Korpan said. Clinic director Michael Zimpfer said doctors were unable to explain some of Yushchenko's symptoms, particularly his strong backaches. He said they could not rule out stress or a viral infection. Yushchenko's doctors in Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, said they had determined that "chemicals not of a food origin'' had triggered the illness. Zimpfer and the clinic's chief physician, Dr. Lothar Wicke -- who requested police protection after receiving an anonymous threat while treating Yushchenko -- later asked for outside help from "a specialist in military operations and biological weapons,'' the Austria Press Agency reported. Yushchenko's medical files since have been sealed and turned over to Austrian prosecutors, local media reported. Authorities have not said whether they planned to investigate further or merely turn over their findings to Ukraine. Earlier this month, Volodymyr Syvkovych, the head of a 15-member Ukrainian parliamentary commission that investigated the mysterious illness, said a forensic medical examination found no traces of "any biological weapons'' in Yushchenko's blood, nails, hair or urine.

The pictures are much more interesting. Bad sushi my ass!

He needs a biopsy done stat.

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Originally posted by Shakka The pictures are much more interesting. Bad sushi my ass!

I wouldn't get so much emphasis on those pictures. I know when we had our parliamentary campaign, many politicians used photoshop to make themselves look better on the posters. When you combine that with makeup and correct lighting, you can get pretty much the same results.

Whose side is the Ukranian military on?


[[[smoke]]]

Some dumbasses wanted to take a school hostage and threaten to kill the students to force Yanushenko being elected president. Good thing the police cought them in time.

And there's rumours of some eastern Ukrainians being paid to come to Kiev and beat the shit out of Yanushenko supporters if Yanukovitch doesn't win.

Supreme Court Decision tommorow

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I think you're kinda underestimating the situation there. The country is clearly divided in 2 pretty polarized entities. It looks even though as it might split in two parts.

that's not true... the regional governors are polarized but not the people

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Originally posted by Cal Some dumbasses wanted to take a school hostage and threaten to kill the students to force Yanushenko being elected president. Good thing the police cought them in time.

true provocation... they [dumbasses] were acting on behalf of Yanukovich-supporting mafia, what's more interesting -- they were freed from the jail the next day

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Originally posted by Cal And there's rumours of some eastern Ukrainians being paid to come to Kiev and beat the shit out of Yanushenko supporters if Yanukovitch doesn't win.

they'll lose in quantity anyway

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