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Vestax's new fused together mixer and turntables

Found this over at Skratchworx, looks like Vestax is at it again with there wacky ideas, but I applaud them for trying something new all the time.

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..worthy of a look and a discussion. At this weekends Vestax Extravangza in Japan, aside from a no doubt dazzling display of turntablism from Blakey and Woody, Vestax decided to show off some future possible direction - basically a pair of custom PDX's with a VMC-004 grafted in between in one unit. And from a unit price, that would put it in the �800-900 bracket. From what I've gathered this morning, such a unit wouldn't be aimed at the scratch market - the choice of mixer dictates that really. But it could work for us with an 06 mixer instead of the VMC. I think the buttons and pitch sliders nearer the crossfader is a total winner, especially if an 06 was used. It seems more ergonomically logical to me to move all the controls nearer together to minimise movements. I think the QFO template would work better here - tonearm at the back with the pitch round the platter with centralised mixer controls. But hey - this may never see the light of day, or at least not in all markets around the world. But it's worth showing and discussing. If you comment, please try and be constructive - don't just diss and flame. Big up to Mr KD for the link and to the guys at Digital Vertigo for the image.

..... Why? Where's the market for something like this? I hope to god that anyone who's about to drop $1500 on DJ gear has done enough research to realize that a contraption like this is pretty much useless to even the semi-serious DJ.

Closed, all in one DJ packages are stupid.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Closed, all in one DJ packages are stupid.

I think Numark proved that a couple years back when they released their cd mix line of crap.

id agree, most of the time...

but if both of the decks included are good, the mixer is good, it seems to have 4 channels, for extra units, and they were seperate enough for you to be able to take em apart for fixing in case something gets messed... well, then it's a DJ pack that's not such a bad idea. again not SUCH a bad idea.

still, $1500? i think thats enough to buy it seperately almost. $800 on a pair of techs, and i have $500 left for a mixer? not worth it.

if something breaks the whole thing has to get repaired...

yuck

The left deck on it just bothers me. Instead of the tonearm being pulled its pushed, and that will probably kill the stylus much faster and sound like shite. All in the name of damn symmetry.

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Originally posted by saintjohnson if something breaks the whole thing has to get repaired... yuck

This is true and what I really don't like about it, but someone on Skratchworx said about making it modular, so you can choose the mixer you want and bolt it up.

Also like Chex said, the way the left deck will read the record is just not a good idea in my opinion.

wow, that is really one of the worst products I have ever seen. What are you thinking Vestax???

and, isn't having the mixer attached to the decks bad overall for vibrations? slap the crossfader and watch the needle jump!

I think it could be a cool idea...

I mean, you have a sweet mixer, and two of the best turntables in the market all in one peice, stuck in a nice strong box.

It wouldnt be good for mobile (or wait would it...just shove the whole beast in a coffin) but i think it would look damn sexy as your home setup.

First of all the price would have to be considerably cheaper than buying two pdx, and a vmc004.
Second, it would still have to have line ins for cd, and send receives for effects (if im not mistaken the normal vmc004 does not have send/recieve)

EDIT: oh god! i just noticed that on the top side of each turntable, theres this little metal dome shaped thing, with metal bars protruding from it. This looks like theres built in lamps on each side...yes i think this would be a great home setup.

EDIT AGAIN: One thing. The VMC mixer line are cheaper than the pcv line (you can get a 4 channel vmc for much less than you could get a 3 channel pcv) BUT! the vmc line doesnt have pcv faders as standard...so if one of your faders starts to screw up (which is more likely not being pcv) I imagine you might be looking at a large fee for replacing it, as it does not look like they are user replaceable.

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Originally posted by DannyO Also like Chex said, the way the left deck will read the record is just not a good idea in my opinion.

true, but you could always mount the cart backwards. whether that would work or not, i don't know but i dont see any reason why not

looks like the design boys at vestax are doing what they are paid for, and on the surface it looks very very nice. pity they didnt use the mk2 pro tonearm system. there is no doubt of the quality of the hardware (if you have seen specs for the separate versions you will know why i say that) but i agree, there isn't much of a market for it unless its a mobile dj thing, or if a dj is very picky about the kit they use it would be very easy to bring that thing along instead of having to shell out extra on a flight case. plus it saves on A SHIT LOAD OF WIRES!!

the dome thing with the metal bars pertruding is not part of the setup. those are desk lights, available from ikea, wilko's and just about any other store. i have one

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Originally posted by tu_face true, but you could always mount the cart backwards. whether that would work or not, i don't know but i dont see any reason why not looks like the design boys at vestax are doing what they are paid for, and on the surface it looks very very nice. pity they didnt use the mk2 pro tonearm system. there is no doubt of the quality of the hardware (if you have seen specs for the separate versions you will know why i say that) but i agree, there isn't much of a market for it unless its a mobile dj thing, or if a dj is very picky about the kit they use it would be very easy to bring that thing along instead of having to shell out extra on a flight case. plus it saves on A SHIT LOAD OF WIRES!!

That backwards cart could work, it would be very very weird, but you never know, somebody on Skratchworx said it looks like the PDX-01, an experimental deck Vestax made.
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I'd have to agree, very very similar.

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the dome thing with the metal bars pertruding is not part of the setup. those are desk lights, available from ikea, wilko's and just about any other store. i have one

I KNEW IT, I shoulda bet money on that...DAM

yes they are very similar, but it looks like they have included a big pitch fader, and made the pitch knob the ultrapitch control (much better than the original ultrapitch in my books).

also looks like a 120mm pitch fader? or is it just my eyes? if so, technics can eat their own shit if they include that on a future stand-alone turntable

yet another interesting design by vestax

it looks cool..

i agree with the left deck issue, plus i dont care for a str8 arm

good design, another one that id like to try out and see just how bad/good it handles...

dont think id ever buy it though...

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Originally posted by tu_face also looks like a 120mm pitch fader? or is it just my eyes? if so, technics can eat their own shit if they include that on a future stand-alone turntable

Yea, thats one thing I would like to see on decks now, an extended pitch fader that goes to either 10 or 12%, not keep it the same size and cram more percent in, because then it becomes less accurate.

It would be sweet for beat juggling...The way both of the arms are out of the way.

UPDATE on this console thingy magijjy, the tonearm on the left deck does not play with the record pushing onto the styli, instead the tonearm turns right across the deck and plays like a regular table, just like there QFO table, its just in that position for when your not using that table.

That would look really weird though I have to say, one deck being battle style, and the other being regular.

Personally... Crap product, but well done to vestax for trying

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Originally posted by dj chex The left deck on it just bothers me. Instead of the tonearm being pulled its pushed, and that will probably kill the stylus much faster and sound like shite. All in the name of damn symmetry.

I would imagine that Vestax new better. And just because it's the logical way for the cartridge to rest, it doesn't mean that it plays that way. It may still be put on the regular way. (I don't actually know this, just playing devil's advocate).

There may be a market for this sort of set up although I admit not a very big one. Pre club bars and such who need an easy storage solution. This might not be such a bad idea in those cases.

Must admit I don't like it though.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 I would imagine that Vestax new better. And just because it's the logical way for the cartridge to rest, it doesn't mean that it plays that way. It may still be put on the regular way. (I don't actually know this, just playing devil's advocate).

you are coprrect, as dannyO stated above the tonearm swings right around to lie vertical as opposed to horizontal along the top.

i think all this is so that the design guys arn't sat on their arses being smug.. they have to be paid for something lol

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