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Posted by groove department on Nov-29-2004 22:03:

House Producing with Reason

someone here who makes house music with reason?


Posted by Woody4eva on Nov-29-2004 22:27:

I make House with FL Studio but not with Reason.


Posted by groove department on Nov-29-2004 22:33:

i am starting producing house music at the moment and i need some advises... trance is very simple when i compare it to house. do you have icq?


Posted by Rob on Nov-30-2004 12:54:

quote:
Originally posted by PaulCorgan
trance is very simple when i compare it to house.


Am I the only one who cracked up at this?


Posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ on Nov-30-2004 12:59:

nope im cracking up about it aswell.... LMFAO since when is house music more complex then trance. the formulas that go into producing good trance makes even my brain go ohh fuck. but house music is pretty simple seeing how its mostly based around percussion movment instead of synth movement. thats like saying pop music is harder to create then classical....

trance = modern classical music

think about it


Posted by groove department on Nov-30-2004 13:19:

in my opinion it is easier to create a nice trance melody then a grooving house beat.. but that is not the question... back to topic please


Posted by FrancoR on Dec-01-2004 06:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Rob
Am I the only one who cracked up at this?

No,


Posted by sooper on Dec-01-2004 15:25:

quote:
Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ
nope im cracking up about it aswell.... LMFAO since when is house music more complex then trance. the formulas that go into producing good trance makes even my brain go ohh fuck. but house music is pretty simple seeing how its mostly based around percussion movment instead of synth movement. thats like saying pop music is harder to create then classical....

trance = modern classical music

think about it


It's a matter of opinion.

Trance melodies can be quite complex, but the same can be said about house percussion and grooves.

I've tried producing both, and find them equally challenging, but in different areas.


Posted by fr0st on Dec-01-2004 15:40:

quote:
Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ


trance = modern classical music

think about it




Not even remotely, classical melodies can vary through a entire piece with different variations. Where as a trance melody is no longer than any other catchy riff from any other type of music rock pop what ever its the same thing repeated..... Get off all the hype that trance or house is difficult to produce.. When infact neither are... Coming up with the catchiness is the trick..... Not to mention good sounds...


Posted by sooper on Dec-01-2004 15:43:

quote:
Originally posted by fr0st
Coming up with the catchiness is the trick..... Not to mention good sounds...




well said!


Posted by BelgianGuru on Dec-02-2004 01:11:

Good house is definately not easier to produce then trance. Don't mistake house with the stuff radio-dj's label as house, because they are the same guys who label dance as trance etc...

My two cents


Posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ on Dec-02-2004 13:51:

[QUOTE]


quote:
Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ


trance = modern classical music

think about it




Not even remotely, classical melodies can vary through a entire piece with different variations. Where as a trance melody is no longer than any other catchy riff from any other type of music rock pop what ever its the same thing repeated..... Get off all the hype that trance or house is difficult to produce.. When infact neither are... Coming up with the catchiness is the trick..... Not to mention good sounds...


exactly and thats why i say most trance sucks dick becuase it doenst vary through out the entire track it sticks to one gayy ass melody and doesnt bother buidling it but good tracks do this but majorty or the shit doesnt...... good trance music should rank next to classical


Posted by Serp on Dec-03-2004 01:31:

you guys are seriously dim, have you ever tried to make a house track?
it's actually a lot harder than you think for various reasons


Posted by Alekos on Dec-03-2004 05:24:

Why don't we go back to the main topic ? I'm also interested


Posted by wayfinder on Dec-03-2004 09:41:

I've made some house and found it just as difficult and challenging as making trance. I've also made orchestral, pop, funk, jazz, swing, rock, dnb, happy hardcore, techno, goa, experimental/ambient and progressive, and none of them stood out as especially harder to make than any else. To be good at any kind of music, you need to invest time, talent, and a lot of knowledge, and to be bad at any kind of music it doesn't take a whole lot of either. There are good and bad songs everywhere, and naturally a lot of bad songs and just a couple of good ones, and this has nothing to do with how easy or hard it is to excel at a certain style.

It's inherently stupid to rank styles, especially since so much of the appeal of music lies in the expectation of the listener already. Don't think that because you don't place a lot of importance on, say, meaningful lyrics or virtuoso guitar solos, nobody else should.

To get back on topic: I don't use Reason


Posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ on Dec-03-2004 12:34:

depends on how in depth you wanna do your house music. i suppose using reason is possible just the biggest problem i find with making house is getting a nice evolving bassline thats deep and isnt allways constant. i find house to be a little simple merely for the fact most house tracks dont have a evolving bassline and are rather short riffs put here and there and might evolve but mostly it doesnt. i guess its all what you consider house and what style of house you want to produce. id say its possible with reason but as i dont use reason i dont know. and mostly the house ive had made has been on the lines of holden style house which falls into a more of an experimental style that has lots of differnt types of synthesis which i dont think would be possible without the aid of vstis as reason instruments as far as i know arent cable of making that sound. ie. lots of fm synthesis and such, but allways try it i guess


Posted by sooper on Dec-03-2004 14:22:

quote:
Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ
the fact most house tracks dont have a evolving bassline and are rather short riffs put here and there and might evolve but mostly it doesnt.


I think you may be generalizing a bit too much right here... what are you basing this on?

quote:
Originally posted by PaulCorgan
i am starting producing house music at the moment and i need some advises... trance is very simple when i compare it to house. do you have icq?


Anyway, I produce both (progressive) trance and house using Reason 2.5 - feel free to PM me if I can help out in anyway. I don't have ICQ though.



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