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Pioneer vs Denon

Which one is better and why between the Denon DN S5000 CD Player and the Pioneer CDJ-1000. Somehow I think the Pioneer are beeter but I honestly have no idea why.

nobody can tell you which is better... you have to make the decision for yourself. find the topic from a few days ago about the denon s1000 and you should see the main differences between the 5000 & the cdj1000. I have one of each.

Edit: here is the link:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&forumid=8&threadid=224777

I know this is just a tad bit of info, if you want more, i can gather it tomarrow.

Gosh this is soo fucking hard !
Pioneer CDJ-1000 ($650)
Pioneer CDJ-800 ($465)
Denon- which I do not know much about them ($650)

What's exacly the difference between them now ?

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Originally posted by IKKI-ZUVK Gosh this is soo fucking hard ! Pioneer CDJ-1000 ($650) Pioneer CDJ-800 ($465) Denon- which I do not know much about them ($650) What's exacly the difference between them now ?

From my knowledge(I don't own any of the above), the DN-S5000 and the CDJ-1000 both have %.02 pitch accuracy, which is better than the CDJ-800's accuracy of %.05. The DN-S5000 has a nice feature called alpha track which lets you use it like it's two seperate decks in one(as long as both "decks" are reading the same cd). On the other hand, the CDJ-1000 is the club standard and it seems pretty sturdy. Both the CDJ-1000 and the CDJ-800 have similar interfaces, so if you get used to using one of them, you won't have to spend much time adjusting to the other one. If you're used to using a DN-S5000, and need to use a CDJ-1000 someday, it might take a little while to figure out the differences, although I assume it wouldn't be that hard. You can't really go wrong with either, though. Basically what it comes down to is trying both out in a store and see which one you like better.


BTW, where can you get a CDJ-1000 for $650?

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Originally posted by Cheetah86 BTW, where can you get a CDJ-1000 for $650?

I would like to know as well!!!

Ebay !

So the pioneer 800 and 1000 are pretty much the same right ?

I got my cdj-1000 used for $595, no tax, free shipping. The things I love about the 1000 that the other dont have are:
+/- 6% pitch @ .02
+/- 10% pitch @ .05 (all others are .1)
wave read-out
reverse switch
start/stop speed set by a knob

The Denon s5000 (i paid $470 brand new, after shipping, with extra 2 year warrenty - total of 3 - price mistake on website) does do .02 on the pitch, but only at +/-4%, all other pitch % (10, 16, 24) give you .1 accuracy.

The Denon's alpha track is kinda confusing as there is a roller knob that is used for a lot of functions (including track selection on the main output) and it is very easy to skrew this up and switch your track. Also, if you are using Alpha mode, you cant use the samplers.

The reverse on the Denon is is a button that you need to set and once set, will work off the play button. The basic revese isnt as cool as the pioneer, but there is a cool reverse called "dump" which reverses like normal, except the track marker keeps moving forward, so when you turn it off, it jumps ahead in the track. This is cool so that you dont miss beats and inturrupt the "flow" of the song.

The start and stop speed are set by a button, much like the reverse.

The spinning platter is belt-drive and opperates like a belt drive. When I spin, i dont touch it at all. It is more of a gimmik for me.

All in all, I like the pioneer better due to the .02 accuracy with more of a pitch range and .05 after that. I also like how many of the functions have their own buttons. I feel that the Denon is a good deck as well, but if I were to find one in a club, it seems a lot more confusing than the pioneer deck. The cool thing about the Denon is they are software upgradable. I dont know if this is going to happen again, although there are rumors that a software upgrade will be coming out w/ their new dj site (allong w/ their much-delayed mixer patch).

One other thing to note, that with most audio equip., you wont get the warrenty when you purchase through non-authorized dealers (such as ebay and what not).

Another thing is the Pioneer has a sd card ( i believe) where you can save .cue points on cds for quick loading. I havent used this feature or any of the sampling features yet to really report on them (if sampling is your thing, the Denon is suppossed to have some pretty impressive stuff in it).

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Originally posted by IKKI-ZUVK Ebay ! So the pioneer 800 and 1000 are pretty much the same right ?

From what I gather, the main differences are:

accuracy (.02 vs .05) on the pitch
the wave readout
reverse switch is a button instead of a switch
there might be something w/ how high you can go w/ the pitch (the 1000's % are 6 / 10 / 16 / 24 -- the mk2 is 100 instead of 24)

That was the kind of explanation I was looking for ! Thank you mate you really did help me . Where did you buy your Pioneer CDJ1000 from ?

Like I said, I got it used, basically stumbled upon it. The place I found it was bananas.com, but they only had that one, on consignment. Check craigslist.org, that is where a buddy of mine found an mkII version used for $600.

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Originally posted by onceler The reverse on the Denon is is a button that you need to set and once set, will work off the play button. The basic revese isnt as cool as the pioneer, but there is a cool reverse called "dump" which reverses like normal, except the track marker keeps moving forward, so when you turn it off, it jumps ahead in the track. This is cool so that you dont miss beats and inturrupt the "flow" of the song.

ooo i didn't know it had it. it is named 'sleep' usually.. good shit denon.

Pioneer CDJ 1000 MKII

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Originally posted by onceler The Denon's alpha track is kinda confusing as there is a roller knob that is used for a lot of functions (including track selection on the main output) and it is very easy to skrew this up and switch your track. Also, if you are using Alpha mode, you cant use the samplers. but there is a cool reverse called "dump" which reverses like normal, except the track marker keeps moving forward, so when you turn it off, it jumps ahead in the track. This is cool so that you dont miss beats and inturrupt the "flow" of the song.

This is whats making me think about getting the Denon, but I want the CDJ because of the .02% pitch and just the overall feel of it, and the SD card would come in handy.

Decisions Decisions........

alpha track is sweet...especially with the dnx1500

I also dont find it to be much of a deal that denon has 0.02 on a smaller range than pio does.

It would depend on your style i guess, some people never even need to venture out of the smallest pitch range.

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