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beatmatching on 1210's

well i have my decks for 6 months now and i can mix pretty good... but there is one thing i cant do... when in the middle of a transision beats start to drift and i need to slow down one deck (not speed up the other one cuz of the pitch). i tried putting my finger on the vinyl or the label but doesnt seem to work... i also tried holding the thing in the middle of the platter holding it with my fingers. it works some times but it takes time and it doesnt work if my fingers are sweting. and i cant do it with the pitch control when i know its a slight push to make the mix perfect
any opinions and other ways to do it will be helpfull

thanx

Re: beatmatching on 1210's

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Originally posted by dj jasonF i tried putting my finger on the vinyl or the label but doesnt seem to work...

Why not? That suits me best, especially slowing down a record very briefly by touching its edge. Maybe you should try and actually exert (?) some pressure on the vinyl..

Try not to touch the vinyl/platter while you're in the mix - it sounds awful.

Simply move the pitch down briefly, and then quickly move it back to where it was before (try using your thumbnail as a sort of marker). The same if you need to speed it up - voila, no more faffing about with touching the vinyl.

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Originally posted by Sunnyside Try not to touch the vinyl/platter while you're in the mix - it sounds awful. Simply move the pitch down briefly, and then quickly move it back to where it was before (try using your thumbnail as a sort of marker). The same if you need to speed it up - voila, no more faffing about with touching the vinyl.

It is a personal thing, but I have to agree with you as this is my prefered method also (minus the marking with the thumb).
Just practice up on it and this is probably the best and least noticable method.

Cheers
Nem

I don't use my thumbnail anymore, but it was very handy when I was learning how to pitch-mix.

Of course, the nearer you can get them beat-matched in the first place, the smaller the amount you need to move the pitch to correct it!

i use the platter usually, but when im on the technics deck i use the pitch fader because the platter is too bumpy to get a smooth action.

Regardless of the deck you are using, pitch-mixing will always be a more accurate way to adjust the speed of a record during the mix, no matter how careful your hand/finger is.

And what do you mean when you say, "bumpy"?! Do you mean the dots on the side of the platter? Are they not a standard feature of all platters on all decks so you can calibrate them?

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Originally posted by Sunnyside And what do you mean when you say, "bumpy"?! Do you mean the dots on the side of the platter? Are they not a standard feature of all platters on all decks so you can calibrate them?

Nope, Vestax, Numark, Gemini now have something esle, like lines or pits.

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Originally posted by Sunnyside Regardless of the deck you are using, pitch-mixing will always be a more accurate way to adjust the speed of a record during the mix, no matter how careful your hand/finger is.

i disagree, it all depends on what you are used to, and whether the platter is bumpy or not. platter designs have changed on a lot of decks, to make platter usage much easier and smoother.

Really? I've not used anything other that Technics 1210s!

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Originally posted by tu_face i disagree, it all depends on what you are used to, and whether the platter is bumpy or not. platter designs have changed on a lot of decks, to make platter usage much easier and smoother.

No chance mate - you may have gotten good at using the platter (I'm not disputing that), but you finger/hand will never be as accurate as the pitch control. Your hand is subject to a million and one variables - the pitch control is not.

even with one of your fingers as a pointer you will never get it to the exact place it was... anyways thnx for helping

I find I can slow a record down during a transition very smoothly by putting my finger on the very edge of the record (not the platter) and giving it just a tiny bit of pressure. You have to be very gentle though, and it's easy to screw it up, but it works pretty well. It beats pitch fading (for slowing down anyways) because I can immediately correct the pitch to exactly where it should be (with pitch fading there's usually always another tiny inaccuracy)

Like many have said before I regard the pitch method the best.

However the a good sign of your skill level and that of a good DJ is to use a combination of methods depending on the situation. I started to beatmatch using the vinly and then adjusting the pitch in small increments. Then once I got comfortable with this method I turned my attention to learning to mix with the pitch control and nothing else.

You have to keep hanging mate (can't recall who the topic starter was) and practice. You'll get there one day and then you will wonder what the hell all the fuss was about!

Each to their own but the Pitch method is far the best and once you get the hang of it you will be beatmatching within seconds.

One Tip....RIDE THE PITCH!!!

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Originally posted by janos Like many have said before I regard the pitch method the best. However the a good sign of your skill level and that of a good DJ is to use a combination of methods depending on the situation. I started to beatmatch using the vinly and then adjusting the pitch in small increments. Then once I got comfortable with this method I turned my attention to learning to mix with the pitch control and nothing else. You have to keep hanging mate (can't recall who the topic starter was) and practice. You'll get there one day and then you will wonder what the hell all the fuss was about! Each to their own but the Pitch method is far the best and once you get the hang of it you will be beatmatching within seconds. One Tip....RIDE THE PITCH!!!

Amen, RIDE THE PITCH! should be every DJs mantra damnit.

the problem with pitch riding, is that if i have 3 tunes in and i dont get it back exactly where it was (even half a mm can make the difference) it can fuck everything up. at least when i use the platter, i can get a good result without altering the pitch of the track at all. sometimes i even use the quartz lock button to slow it down when i am using the technics.

this isn't so much of a problem with just 2 tracks though.

I never really mix three tracks but I've seen people do it while only riding the pitch. I can match tracks so much faster by riding the pitch, i'm not saying ONLY ride the pitch. I don't always ride the pitch but the more I practice the easier I find it. That wasn't always the case I used to only be able to do good mixes if I didn't ride the pitch.

When you say that you don't get the pitch back in the right place all the time that doesn't matter, the place you had it was wrong to begin with or you wouldn't have to make any corrections. When you ride the pitch you have to ride it back and forth a few times before you get it totally right, or at least I do. In real time this doesn't take very long and you do the corrections before anyone ever hears the mistake. Now if you have beats that are audibly slipping maybe making manual corrections is the best way but thats a big slip up and you need to get that corrected FAST. When I ride the pitch I find that doesn't happen.

yea but you know that from the place you have it its a tiny push from perfection... and dont forget that the pitch is analog so it will show the slightest difference

It just takes practice whenever i pitch ride it I always have to ride it back and forth but the main thing is I can do that quicker than I can do manual adjustments now and without people hearing me do it so its much better. When I first started spinning records I never thought I'd mix by riding the pitch it seemed way too difficult. Everything takes practice. So what if you don't get the pitch back to the perfect spot, just wobble it back and forth and the crowd will never know the difference.

ride the pitch

get good, and it will really tighten your mixes up, it becomes natural, and sounds a lot smoother

Technics don't have good torque and thats something I don't like about them (I'd still buy them anyways)

On my gemini(s) I just use the pitch slider and move it to the top fast or the bottom fast then back to where its supposed to be

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Originally posted by DJ Lucas ride the pitch get good, and it will really tighten your mixes up, it becomes natural, and sounds a lot smoother

+1

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Originally posted by Zild I never really mix three tracks but I've seen people do it while only riding the pitch. I can match tracks so much faster by riding the pitch, i'm not saying ONLY ride the pitch. I don't always ride the pitch but the more I practice the easier I find it. That wasn't always the case I used to only be able to do good mixes if I didn't ride the pitch. When you say that you don't get the pitch back in the right place all the time that doesn't matter, the place you had it was wrong to begin with or you wouldn't have to make any corrections. When you ride the pitch you have to ride it back and forth a few times before you get it totally right, or at least I do. In real time this doesn't take very long and you do the corrections before anyone ever hears the mistake. Now if you have beats that are audibly slipping maybe making manual corrections is the best way but thats a big slip up and you need to get that corrected FAST. When I ride the pitch I find that doesn't happen.

you are certainly correct in that it definitely takes practise, i never used to be able to do it at all

the problem for me is, i get it 95% beatmatched then throw the bleeder in and do the rest on the fly, when its close enough that i only have to make a small adjustment every minute or so, i just leave it there and go to beatmatch another track. sometimes i will move the pitch slightly, but it is often less confusing if you just leave it be.

for me its all about which is the quickest method, and for me pitch riding isn't the quickest

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Originally posted by tu_face the problem with pitch riding, is that if i have 3 tunes in and i dont get it back exactly where it was (even half a mm can make the difference) it can fuck everything up. at least when i use the platter, i can get a good result without altering the pitch of the track at all. sometimes i even use the quartz lock button to slow it down when i am using the technics. this isn't so much of a problem with just 2 tracks though.

hehe, I see there are others out there that also Ride da Pitch!

Its all about practice and how confident you are with your mixing. The more you practice, the better you get at it. Soon you will be able to monitor 3, 4, tunes at once using a multitude of methods and not just riding the pitch.

It is by far the best way with regards to monitoring and adjusting. Plus any transitions/alterations you need to make will seldom be noticed on the dance floor.

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