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6:58pm (UK)
New Abuse Photos Could Be 'Tool' to Tarnish US

A senior U.S. military officer said today that new pictures showing apparent abuse of Iraqi prisoners do not accurately reflect the good work done by the thousands of American soldiers in Iraq.


But Gen. Mark Kimmitt acknowledged in an interview with al-Jazeera television that some people will use the photos to tarnish the image of America�s military.

Kimmitt, a senior U.S. Central Command officer, spoke on the Arab television network a day after the U.S. military launched a criminal investigation into photographs that appear to show U.S. Navy SEALs in Iraq sitting on hooded and handcuffed detainees, and photos of what appear to be bloodied prisoners, one with a gun to his head.

The photos, found by an Associated Press reporter, were among hundreds in an album posted on a commercial photo-sharing Web site by a woman who said her husband brought them from Iraq after his tour of duty.

Some of the photos have date stamps suggesting they were taken in May 2003, which could make them the earliest evidence of possible abuse of prisoners in Iraq. The far more brutal practices photographed in Abu Ghraib prison occurred months later.

Kimmitt, who was the military spokesman in Iraq at the time of the Abu Ghraib scandal and is now based in Qatar, told al-Jazeera that he believes the photos show the acts of an isolated few.

After months of investigation, Kimmitt said the number of U.S. military troops involved in acts of abuse has been found to be very limited.

Asked by al-Jazeera if such pictures are a problem for the military, Kimmitt said they are certainly a �tool� and some will try to use them to show the U.S. military in a negative light.

An Arabic translator�s voice was aired over Kimmitt�s comments during the interview.

The photos drew strong reactions in Arab media.

�Here is the U.S. Navy stirring the storm that the Abu Ghraib (scandal) has evoked before,� an Al-Jazeera commentator said, in a report with images from the Abu Ghraib prison as well as the newly revealed photos.

One photo was published on the front page of the daily Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram. It showed three hooded prisoners pressed against one another on a floor with what appear to be white sheets wrapped around their torsos. The photo caption read: �Signs of a new scandal.�

In a damage-control campaign after an outraged reaction from the Arab world on the Abu Ghraib pictures, American President George W. Bush appeared on Arab television in May to tell audiences in the region that the torture was the act of a few.

Navy Cmdr. Jeff Bender, a spokesman for the Naval Special Warfare Command in Coronado, California, said in a written response to questions that the matter will be �thoroughly investigated�.

The photos were turned over to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, which instructed the SEAL command to determine whether they show any serious crimes, Bender said yesterday.

It is unclear who took the pictures.

Kimmitt, in the al-Jazeera interview, also was asked if elections are possible in the midst of a violent campaign by Iraqi insurgents. He said an additional 12,000 U.S. soldiers sent to Iraq will be enough to help secure the elections, with help from Iraqi security forces.

Earlier today, Gen. John Abizaid, head of U.S. Central Command, said Iraqi forces are growing in number, but are not experienced enough to ensure security during the Jan. 30 Iraqi national elections without the additional American help.

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Just when you think it only happened once, new photos are found of a different time where prisoners were abused. Nice going. I tried looking for the pictures on www.smugmug.com, where pictures were found. I had no luck finding them becuase I didn't put any effort into it and probably they were already deleted.

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Originally posted by ierxium One photo was published on the front page of the daily Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram. It showed three hooded prisoners pressed against one another on a floor with what appear to be white sheets wrapped around their torsos. The photo caption read: �Signs of a new scandal.�

Well, depending on who these people were (terrorists, insurgents, former Iraqi army, etc.) and how they were positioned, I do not know if it is torture. Are they being pressed or bound in a cruel way? Pictures do say a thousand words.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance Well, depending on who these people were (terrorists, insurgents, former Iraqi army, etc.) and how they were positioned, I do not know if it is torture. Are they being pressed or bound in a cruel way? Pictures do say a thousand words.

Depending on who these people are? So you're saying it's acceptable for soldiers to torture some prisioners? The position doesn't really matter. If I see fresh blood walking down the body of a prisioner, I assume it's torture. Sure, maybe the prisoner tripped and fell and started bleeding, but that would be a rare case.

It was said the pictures portrayed some type of abuse but who knows. Can't find any pics!

Is this one or is it from the first abuse scandal or is it from something else?

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Originally posted by ierxium If I see fresh blood walking down the body of a prisioner, I assume it's torture. Sure, maybe the prisoner tripped and fell and started bleeding, but that would be a rare case.

More likely, the blood on the body of a prisoner was an injury received in fighting or in the process of resisting arrest. Most of the guys that the US arrests are in pretty bad shape to begin with, and receive free medical care far better than anything they've ever been able to get themselves.

Also, I don't know if blood can actually "walk."

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Originally posted by imokruok Also, I don't know if blood can actually "walk."

Personifications rule.

No need to rush to judgment. It appears that the photos were taken in May of 2003 according to some of the timestamps, so they're not necessarily indicative of a continuation of abuse. Second, the photos appear to show improper conduct by soldiers but not necessarily abuse. The foot on a detainee and the detainee bleeding seems to come the closest to depecting abuse, however, that assumption is still speculative at best since these are photos of detainees recently detained or in transit to the detention center.

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Originally posted by occrider No need to rush to judgment. It appears that the photos were taken in May of 2003 according to some of the timestamps, so they're not necessarily indicative of a continuation of abuse. Second, the photos appear to show improper conduct by soldiers but not necessarily abuse. The foot on a detainee and the detainee bleeding seems to come the closest to depecting abuse, however, that assumption is still speculative at best since these are photos of detainees recently detained or in transit to the detention center.

Well there's some truth in what you said. Since there are now two times where the abuse and/or unacceptable conduct is exposed I assumed it was a continuation. It doesn't matter which one happened first. I know some pictures have in them that date you pointed out. I was basing my comments on the articles read, something that one can regret every now and then. Another investigation will begin and hopefully some new material will be presented and we'll see what really happened, well not 'really' but just according to authorities.

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Originally posted by occrider Second, the photos appear to show improper conduct by soldiers but not necessarily abuse.

wat he said.

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