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Beatmatching - Pitch Control

On tt 1 there is like a slow tune, on tt 2 there is a fast tune, so i alter the pitch control on the 2nd tt really lower. But when i finally move the crossfader over to tt 2, the track sounds horrible because it is really slow. What should i do? thanks.

if you must mix two dissimilar BPM tunes (and if tt2 has to be soo slow to be beatmatched with tt1, that it sounds terrible then you should rethink your tune selection),

then simply slowly pitch up tt1 during the track, so slight that people will not notice.

Also if they are that different, they dont have to be the same BPM to sound good, try a different ratio of BPM's that sounds interesting.

but the slighest of movements of the pitch control can change the pitch of the whole song. When you have finsiehd beatmatching and your playing out record 2, do you leave the new pitch on record 2? thanks.

Well, it depends if you want to leave the pitch on record 2. In most cases, you will leave it as it is, but you can also speed it up or slow it down a bit if it benefits your mix or set.

Not really the slightest (well, the slightest if you are using +/- 50% on the slider), it is usually around 3% that changes the key of the song. If you simply must spin those 2 songs together, you might want to think about something w/ a master pitch button. But like Crasher said... rethinking your track selection is the better option.

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Originally posted by Radders2003 but the slighest of movements of the pitch control can change the pitch of the whole song. When you have finsiehd beatmatching and your playing out record 2, do you leave the new pitch on record 2? thanks.

forgot who said this, but he/she said that the pitch of the whole song doesn't change till u pass 3.3%.

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Originally posted by R.j. forgot who said this, but he/she said that the pitch of the whole song doesn't change till u pass 3.3%.

Onceler said it right above your post... just look up a bit.

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Originally posted by djxtension Onceler said it right above your post... just look up a bit.

whoa, didn't see that. i need sleep.

Thanks for the replies. If the 2nd track is jsut a little slow because of beatmatchign purposes for the 1 st track when can you slow it down because the crowd might know if you have speeded it up, or is this a good thing?

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Originally posted by Radders2003 Thanks for the replies. If the 2nd track is jsut a little slow because of beatmatchign purposes for the 1 st track when can you slow it down because the crowd might know if you have speeded it up, or is this a good thing?

Generally, when you are beatmatching, you only speed tracks up, and not down.

If a track is too slow, it will sound lame and like shit. If a track is faster, it will generally sound more uplifting and energetic.

Let me know if you need some samples to illustrate this, I will see what I can do...

Thanks. So if record 1 is slow anwyay and record 2 is fast, i would change the pitch control on record 1?

If the difference was only a small amount (up to 2-3%), I would match by slowing 2.
If it was a larger difference, I would bring up 1 until they are closer, and slow 2 to do final matching.

Having said that, I tend to use tracks that are closish to each other in the first place, and slowly build up the tempo of the set over a number of tracks by using tracks that are progressively faster (ie are only a little faster than the one beforehand), i won't jump large differences in tempo.

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Originally posted by Trance Nutter If the difference was only a small amount (up to 2-3%), I would match by slowing 2. If it was a larger difference, I would bring up 1 until they are closer, and slow 2 to do final matching. Having said that, I tend to use tracks that are closish to each other in the first place, and slowly build up the tempo of the set over a number of tracks by using tracks that are progressively faster (ie are only a little faster than the one beforehand), i won't jump large differences in tempo.

I agree.

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Originally posted by djxtension Generally, when you are beatmatching, you only speed tracks up, and not down.

What planet are you from? Try to NOT make people dummerer..

Go with what sounds good. Work as best you can to get the beats matched before the transition. Dont get me wrong, you will most likely still need to adjust, try and use the pitch only for this.

Practise!!!!!!! then some more.....

Jay

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Originally posted by veezee What planet are you from? Try to NOT make people dummerer.. Go with what sounds good. Work as best you can to get the beats matched before the transition. Dont get me wrong, you will most likely still need to adjust, try and use the pitch only for this. Practise!!!!!!! then some more..... Jay

Sure, I'll try not to make people dummerer, or whatever the hell that means...

I was speaking generally.

Slowing down records for beatmatching is not a very good idea in most cases, unless the pitch adjustment is less than about 2%. If you slow down a record too much, it will lose its energy and start to sound like shit.

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Originally posted by djxtension Sure, I'll try not to make people dummerer, or whatever the hell that means... I was speaking generally. Slowing down records for beatmatching is not a very good idea in most cases, unless the pitch adjustment is less than about 2%. If you slow down a record too much, it will lose its energy and start to sound like shit.

No .. If record A=130 bpm, and record B = 133 bpm, you need to slow it down to 130 bpm.. how did any speed get lost?

Jay

I wasn't talking about speed, I was talking about how a record starts to sound if it is pitched down too much.

I was not saying you shouldn't slow down a record for beatmatching, because this can be necessary every once in a while.

What I was trying to say is if you play a record @ 130 BPM, and you try to mix in a record that is 138 BPM, you will lose the energy of the second record, because it is played way too slow compared to its original speed.

Mixing in a record that is originally @ 133 BPM is not a problem, because you don't have to slow it down a lot.

If the record you want to mix in is a lot faster, it usually sounds like shit if you slow it down. That was my point.

I think you two are talking past eachother
What djxtension means: you shouldn't pitch a record down to the negative part of the pitchrange or if it is really necessary not further than -2%.
Else you'll lose the energy.
(The energy which you get from the 0%, as the producer intended, and upwards)

What veezee means: you can pitch down if it is necessary, stating that you're already in the positive part op the pitchrange.

At least that's what I understand from both your posts .

- farris

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Originally posted by farris I think you two are talking past eachother What djxtension means: you shouldn't pitch a record down to the negative part of the pitchrange or if it is really necessary not further than -2%. Else you'll lose the energy. (The energy which you get from the 0%, as the producer intended, and upwards) What veezee means: you can pitch down if it is necessary, stating that you're already in the positive part op the pitchrange. At least that's what I understand from both your posts . - farris

Thanks for clearing this up. That was indeed my point.

I missed veezee's point by a mile. I thought he was pitching down from 0%, instead of i.e. +3% or something.

Everything's clear now.

the way i do it is use records with a relativly close bpm where the difference is 3bpm at most otherwise you have to slow down or speed up too much and its noticable, just do what everyone else says, rethink your track selection and build up from slow to fast

Thanks, i shall do this. It was my track selection, i was like choosing a relaxing tune like BT then straight off into a dumonde remix. It didn't sound right. btw do you think it would sound alright if you mixed hard trance and trance together. This is because i have got trance records and hard trance records. It would be a good idea to slowly buildup with trance and in between just throw in a hard trance tune.

I've always wondered this. Do dj's have to mix the same genre of music. Like, do they have to mix tance all the way through or can they throw in a couple of hard trance, bangin tunes in there as well?

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Originally posted by Radders2003 Thanks, i shall do this. It was my track selection, i was like choosing a relaxing tune like BT then straight off into a dumonde remix. It didn't sound right. btw do you think it would sound alright if you mixed hard trance and trance together. This is because i have got trance records and hard trance records. It would be a good idea to slowly buildup with trance and in between just throw in a hard trance tune. I've always wondered this. Do dj's have to mix the same genre of music. Like, do they have to mix tance all the way through or can they throw in a couple of hard trance, bangin tunes in there as well?

I do Trance to Hard Trance. Build it up, I sometimes play a coupleof tech-trance (think paul van dyk sets) in between to try to make the change a bit smoother. WHen you are about to change from trance to hard trance, you should have brought your bpm up to around 140 or above, play a really banging trance tune, and follow with a hard trance influenced remix, and then hard trance tunes.

Once again, its all about building, don't go from a super euphoric uplifting tune to a deep dark brooding hard trancer. Playing banging trancetunes, then hard trancers with an uplifting style (eg Dumonde), and then play the deep stuff like Cosmic Gate - Bilingual.

Thanks. My first mix from one track to another sounded good. It was Frank Trax - Nebuchan (Organ Remix) to DuMonde - God Music (Cosmic Gate Remix). It sounded good because it went from an uplifting tune to a deep and long trance tune. It just feels that when the fran trax track finished it was good because it suddenly went to a hard beat kind of track.

There is no problem mixing trance and hardtrance tracks, as long as you keep the tempo in mind. There are a lot of firmer trance tracks that are not exactly hardtrance, and therefor make a perfect bridge between trance and hardtrance.

Experimenting is the key to dj-ing IMO. Just try some mixes, and invent your own style.

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Originally posted by djxtension I wasn't talking about speed, I was talking about how a record starts to sound if it is pitched down too much. I was not saying you shouldn't slow down a record for beatmatching, because this can be necessary every once in a while. What I was trying to say is if you play a record @ 130 BPM, and you try to mix in a record that is 138 BPM, you will lose the energy of the second record, because it is played way too slow compared to its original speed. Mixing in a record that is originally @ 133 BPM is not a problem, because you don't have to slow it down a lot. If the record you want to mix in is a lot faster, it usually sounds like shit if you slow it down. That was my point.

My apologies for not understanding.. Even so , most records sound fine when slowed down... it all depends on the situation.

Jay

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