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Posted by mettkea on Dec-07-2004 03:00:

White Label Pay Downloads

I have been looking for a pay MP3 website (beatport.com, edmdigital.com, etc) that has a catalog of White Label MP3's. Does anybody know of any or is there legal reasons for it (I wouldn't think there is any legal reasons since most records shops sell white label vinyl any ways)? I'm asking this because if I buy the vinyl, I don't really have a decent set up to record the vinyl to wav, mp3, etc. So I want to skip this process and just buy the acutally mp3. Thanks!

edit: I have been looking for The New Originals - 1799 for quite some time in a digital format...


Posted by Boomer187 on Dec-07-2004 03:02:

they usually put songs on white labels becasue they cannot get the rights to a song or sample they used. SO I doubt it'd be legal to get a mp3 of em.



but I dunno, Im just guessing.


Posted by mettkea on Dec-07-2004 03:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
they usually put songs on white labels becasue they cannot get the rights to a song or sample they used. SO I doubt it'd be legal to get a mp3 of em.



but I dunno, Im just guessing.


I was thinking about that too, but I think there would be less of a paper trail if they just had a download instead of an actual physical copy (vinyl) of the product. So I think it would be safer for a download, but I guess I don't own my own shop so I'm not sure!


Posted by onceler on Dec-07-2004 03:05:

that or a test pressing. and since mp3's arent pressed... what you should be looking for is unreleased items on vinyl. If you actually are looking for those obscure remixes, you arent going to find them on beatport for the reasons listed above.


Posted by mikefasssy on Dec-07-2004 08:50:

try release, they hvae a few white label mp3's on their site.


Posted by Tranc3 on Dec-07-2004 09:19:

quote:
Originally posted by wong
I was thinking about that too, but I think there would be less of a paper trail if they just had a download instead of an actual physical copy (vinyl) of the product. So I think it would be safer for a download, but I guess I don't own my own shop so I'm not sure!


No actually the whole thing about a white label is just that - it's a white label. The only paper trail is the label, and it's white....it's blank...you have a paper trail that's blank.

For buying and downloading music off the net, typically the seller needs to have an agreement with the labels in question. In a traditional record shop, the owner buys directly from the distributor, and (as far as I know) does not have to pay any additional fees after the product has been bought by the shop owner. This is the key part, as it frees the record shop owner from legal liability, and only leaves the artist and original pressers at legal fault. However, since there is only a blank paper trail to follow, the original bootleggers will not be found.

Of course I may be wrong, as I know next to nothing about law, much less audio law, but this is the way I think about it.


Posted by mettkea on Dec-07-2004 18:06:

So how about instead of downloads, could they have white label cd's? I think that would be the same as having white label vinyl.


Posted by onceler on Dec-07-2004 18:10:

but then your back to square 1... you would need to get it from a record store, and not an mp3 download. mp3 downloads are based on # of downloads, beatport or any other place isnt going to buy 100 cds up front or what not unless it is something that is proven to sell out no problem.


Posted by UphoricNitemare on Dec-07-2004 18:50:

Well i distinctly remember on this board some people saying that they released Tiesto's white label Madonna/Radiohead remixes on the internet, before sending them to record stores (which i got...hehehe).So It seems to me that they do release white labels on the internet


Posted by D Dubya on Dec-07-2004 19:13:

White Label MP3s. There is a site with hundreds of them! For Free!!!!

CLICK HERE!


Posted by UphoricNitemare on Dec-07-2004 19:21:

clever


Posted by mettkea on Dec-07-2004 20:08:

I guess I have to go to my last resort, buy vinyl and create a decent recording set up (already have turntables, just need to buy a decent needle, been using crappy ones for years since I'm a poor college student)...oh well. I hope someday white labels will be available on cd or mp3.


Posted by D Dubya on Dec-07-2004 21:52:

quote:
Originally posted by UphoricNitemare
clever


i have my moments.


Posted by idoru on Dec-07-2004 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by UphoricNitemare
Well i distinctly remember on this board some people saying that they released Tiesto's white label Madonna/Radiohead remixes on the internet, before sending them to record stores (which i got...hehehe).So It seems to me that they do release white labels on the internet


It was first announced that the vinyls would be released, then a release group got their hands on the vinyl and put it up on the internet. Ti�sto and Blackhole had nothing to do with the ripping of the vinyl to peer-to-peer programs.


Posted by UphoricNitemare on Dec-08-2004 00:06:

I think it was the word "released" that gave me that impression


Posted by tu_face on Dec-08-2004 11:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Boomer187
they usually put songs on white labels becasue they cannot get the rights to a song or sample they used. SO I doubt it'd be legal to get a mp3 of em.



but I dunno, Im just guessing.


not always, often white labels are promo's too.

anything with a blank white label is known as a white label.. i have loads that are just promo's, of the ones that i own the minority are illegal bootlegs or illegal pressings..

but yeah, you will find it very hard to find a white label mp3 site. labels see that an mp3 on the market before the release of a track can be very damaging to the sales of the track, and thus they would be shooting themselves in the foot.

so, in a word, no.


Posted by PVD fanatic on Dec-08-2004 15:14:

what about a good place for white label records ??? with lots of selections ?


Posted by UphoricNitemare on Dec-08-2004 16:07:

quote:
Originally posted by PVD fanatic
what about a good place for white label records ??? with lots of selections ?


All of mine i think i found on juno, and dancerecords.com. I think juno and dancegroove would be the best just out of guess.


So are all white labels released with just a few made?



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