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aljazeera..... biased as ever

About this:

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A US soldier has been jailed for three years in a plea bargain following the murder of a severely wounded 16-year-old Iraqi, the military says.

but rember this...

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The soldiers, including Horne, tried to rescue one of the injured youths, according to witness testimony.

BBC Site


Strangely the quote above doesn't make it onto the aljazeera version of events.... just mention it because some middle class wankers here thought aljazeera were soooooo objective they deserved an award for it.... basicly they were just trying to make some statement about how "they wern't against all muslims" and how aljazeera is a "blanced and objective news source" basicly for them it was some big fucking statement that made them feel all warm inside to just know that they well have such a good understanding of the world and are so tolerant and so on....

Aljazeera Site

Nice one guys keep stoking the fires of hate that'll make the world safer. Maybe not but more people will watch your shows, keep going the way you are and you'll have loads more nice "exclusive" videos to show everyone.... all in the best possible taste of course....

While I consider myself a huge liberal and as much as it pains me to say this about Fox, I think Aljazeera is more biased than Fox News. There are times when having the other side of the view presented can be good but Aljazeera is definitly making life harder for the US than it needs to be.

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Originally posted by auujay I think Aljazeera is more biased than Fox News. There are times when having the other side of the view presented can be good but Aljazeera is definitly making life harder for the US than it needs to be.

ya think?

whats your point. all media is biased to some degree. mainstream american media is very anti-muslim/arab and at every oppurtunity tries to portray them as savages and barbarians. i dont hear you complaining about that.

i have never watched al jazeera so i know nothing tbh...

but yes every media is biased... and i would think al jazera is more biased than most tho, but i dont think they are as biased as many think.

u cant provide both sides of an issue 100% of the time!! but when u do have both sides, u should report, which al-jazeera fails time and time again. then again, who cares, there is not one democratic nation in the middle east, so nobody has a say except for someone associated strongly with islam or a dictating ruler.

Who cares what Al Jazeera says on its english pages... only westerners are reading those.

If you want to discuss how Al Jazeera reports on the middle east, then you have to know what it says on the arabic pages, since these are the ones that are being read by their target audience.

Till you can read arabic then its kinda a moot point...

I'm gonna prefix this post with the fact that I'm drunk...

My man point for this thread is the aljazeera (the voice of the muslim world) is biased as fuck. Now let me explain... I'm not some "yahooo lets blow shit up" kinda guy in fact the oposite. I question things (or at least try). Ok yes fox(lets even, for arguements sake, say the BBC) is biased but the majority of western (I include europe.. france... germany so on..) is not really. I'll admit they have to have stories (and just now (it's in fashion don't you know) for them that means america bashing). But they wouldn't step over the line of distorting the story to this degree. i.e. inciteing terroism (I've begun to hate the word as it's used so loosely to "help along" politicl aims but it's true here)

Actually maybe they would but this brings me to my main point(outwith this thread). Has anyone noticed how fucking formulaic the media is? I mean check out google news on a single story. You can see the same words repeated again and again from "differnt" sources. Thats fucking scary. News papers from all over the world using the same words. Just think about it for a second. Where do the words come from??? PR..... anyone here heard of astroturf groups(not crazy..actually.... synthetic grass roots)? (lets just say there is alot of money in PR and even more skill) Well it worries me anyway. Because we draw what we know (or think we know) from the media. In effect it is our single source, which is never a good thing.

(honestly I'm drunk.... ok fucked, but trust me on this, this is a scary thing)

well i agree, the media scares me too. It form our opnions in many ways since it is supposed to give us the facts, yet EVERYTIME you actually know something about something that the media is talking about, the media is talking bullshit, by that i would guess that everything the media says is bullshit.

So what to replace the media with?

and drunkpics or stfu

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Originally posted by Dervish I'm gonna prefix this post with the fact that I'm drunk... My man point for this thread is the aljazeera (the voice of the muslim world) is biased as fuck. Now let me explain... I'm not some "yahooo lets blow shit up" kinda guy in fact the oposite. I question things (or at least try). Ok yes fox(lets even, for arguements sake, say the BBC) is biased but the majority of western (I include europe.. france... germany so on..) is not really. I'll admit they have to have stories (and just now (it's in fashion don't you know) for them that means america bashing). But they wouldn't step over the line of distorting the story to this degree. i.e. inciteing terroism (I've begun to hate the word as it's used so loosely to "help along" politicl aims but it's true here) Actually maybe they would but this brings me to my main point(outwith this thread). Has anyone noticed how fucking formulaic the media is? I mean check out google news on a single story. You can see the same words repeated again and again from "differnt" sources. Thats fucking scary. News papers from all over the world using the same words. Just think about it for a second. Where do the words come from??? PR..... anyone here heard of astroturf groups(not crazy..actually.... synthetic grass roots)? (lets just say there is alot of money in PR and even more skill) Well it worries me anyway. Because we draw what we know (or think we know) from the media. In effect it is our single source, which is never a good thing. (honestly I'm drunk.... ok fucked, but trust me on this, this is a scary thing)

Haha, I am currently trashed right now and hiting backspace carefully to not screw-up my writing. Al Jazeera is biased? Yes. Fox News is Biased? You know it! I would kil Sean Hannity in a second if I had the chance. Wost human being on earth. Media is really consolidated and getting more so (Thanks Michael Powell) and there are way too few viewpoints being expressed. Everyhting iis like a baseball game,where it's RedSox versus Yankees and there's no objective reporting going on. It sucks big time.

Aljazeera is no more bias than many news organizations in the US and elsewhere. Get off your high horses.

I wouldn't really say the BBC is really that biased really. Even in the US as soon as thouse pics came out about abuse everyone lays into our forces(the british ones were later proved fake and done for the considrable amounts of money paid for them). Ok read this and then try to find some as biased on a western news agency.

LINK

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Historically, Iraqis have been able to coexist and the spectre of civil war did not loom until the country was stricken by the US-led occupation.

Now thats total bullshit, bullshit of the highest order. Depends on your definition of historicly. Short term under a dictatorship yes they were united... the kurds weren't exactly too thrilled with it but nevermind. But if you look back past Hussein back as far a centurys they have always been fighting in that region(all the differnt tribes).

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A look at the electoral process and the composition of the current national council reveals that the election's main mission will be to install some of the country's most notorious politicians who have constantly spoken proudly of their links to international intelligence agencies.

Nice evidence (a look).... and in other reports the quote people only known as "an iraqi journalist" why not name your sources?

Look at the first source in a google search, starting on the first line.

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Whether it's the wisest decision or not - and it could be argued that it's not - the interim Iraqi government has set Jan. 30 for its first nationwide election since Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled. Discounting the mounting violence from insurgents intent on sabotaging it, Prime Minister Ayad Allawi is determined to hold the vote on that date. For those aggressively promoting it, like the White House and Shia clerics, the hope is that the vote will mark a pivotal point in Iraq's postwar chaos, eroding support for the insurgency and giving Iraqis a sense of empowerment in shaping their future. But confronted with the ferocity of the insurgency's offensive to derail the balloting, those hopes seem increasingly evanescent.

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The real question is whether the election will be representative of Iraq's three main ethnic and religious groups or end up as just a partial referendum dominated by an overwhelming Shia majority. Right now, it looks lopsided at best. Shia groups have managed to subsume their considerable differences for now to unveil a unified list of 228 candidates from three major political parties for the 275 members of a national assembly. Some independent Sunni Muslims belonging to various tribal groups are included on the list, but no major Sunni political movement is included. A Shia Kurdish group (most Kurds are Sunni Muslims) is also on the candidates' list, and so is a small Turkomen movement.

LINK

Which is more blanced? IMHO the second (US) source.

Ok i think most of us agree that Al Jaazera is biased..but if they suddenly went away like vamoosh disappear..americans would love that ..ok its only theorethical..but do you honestly think that the americans would stop there propaganda machine inc fox the answer is no..so in my ophinion the origional question is futile

Yeah but my problem is that by it being biased it incites terrorism. Genralistic america bashing in europe is just ignorant, genralistic america bashing in the middle east is dangerous.

You could say fox and co. incite american action I supose but frankly I think it's the other way round in that case. That is fox reacts to rather than incites war.

Also I think the degree to which aljazeera is biased is greater.

But I'd say that media bias anywhere is a very bad thing as it fucks up our opinions on basicly everything. Ok I've focused on algazeera because they have so much infulence in the middle east. But its something that need to be watched. Like auujay I try to get it from both sides. But what about the people in the middle east who don't or can't? It could, probebly has, cost lives.

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Originally posted by Dervish Yeah but my problem is that by it being biased it incites terrorism. Genralistic america bashing in europe is just ignorant, genralistic america bashing in the middle east is dangerous. You could say fox and co. incite american action I supose but frankly I think it's the other way round in that case. That is fox reacts to rather than incites war. Also I think the degree to which aljazeera is biased is greater. But I'd say that media bias anywhere is a very bad thing as it fucks up our opinions on basicly everything. Ok I've focused on algazeera because they have so much infulence in the middle east. But its something that need to be watched. Like auujay I try to get it from both sides. But what about the people in the middle east who don't or can't? It could, probebly has, cost lives.

Maybe, but seeing as how that has been the prevailing opinion of the US (and the USSR when it was around) for some 40 years I don't see how Aljezeera is really doing anything dangerous. They are just playing to their public. Like Fox News and like CNN... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Originally posted by NYGblue They are just playing to their public. Like Fox News and like CNN... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I'll agree with that. But the problem I have is that they are distorting, via false(ok skewed) reporting, the east against the west. Which can only lead to more problems between us. In France for example it's ok to America bash because it's unlikely someone there is going to try blowing people up (even with the high muslim population). But that isn't true in the middle east.

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Originally posted by Dervish Yeah but my problem is that by it being biased it incites terrorism. Genralistic america bashing in europe is just ignorant, genralistic america bashing in the middle east is dangerous. You could say fox and co. incite american action I supose but frankly I think it's the other way round in that case. That is fox reacts to rather than incites war.

Um, maybe, but its more realistic to spin it the other way around. When an American news media source broadcasts a story worldwide (aka CNN), its picked up by the Islamic world as well. And when CNN/Fox/Western Media blatantly tells the American point of view only again (which it does), it pisses people off in the Middle East about as much as Al Jazeera pisses you off.

Western media is told very much from a white Judeo-Christian perspective, leaving the Middle East very much out of the loop. Al-Jazeera is told from an Arab Islamic perspective... they're both only telling their sides of the story and no one else's. When was the last time you saw FoxNews run a story sympathetic to an Iraqi who didn't want the United States there?

Its a vicious cycle, and just because you think Al Jazeera is guilty doesn't mean the rest of the world thinks we're a-ok.

Supose it's different for me because I don't see fox much. Or even CNN lately (not at home no sat). Mostly it's the BBC I watch, but it does have a world service to though. I do rember watching fox and thinking it was even more dumbed down than newsround (uk folk you'll know what I mean).

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Originally posted by Dervish I'll agree with that. But the problem I have is that they are distorting, via false(ok skewed) reporting, the east against the west. Which can only lead to more problems between us. In France for example it's ok to America bash because it's unlikely someone there is going to try blowing people up (even with the high muslim population). But that isn't true in the middle east.

I suppose anything is possible. But its hard to say whether Aljezeera is really having a larger impact. Obviously as a news source it makes a difference, but its not the only news source in the region. And somehow I doubt its really making people hate the US any more or less. BUT admittedly I am speculating, as are you.

hehehe yup we are

but anyway what actually happend was I saw the story (on the bbc site) and wanted to test how fair they were just out of intrest, they failed badly. And that is basicly what pissed me off. Because I wanted to see a reasoned responce which would mean I could use them for reliable information. (I'd read stuff there before and sometimes it was interesting tho slightly biased but tolerably so) But they totally twisted the story to fuck.

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Originally posted by Dervish hehehe yup we are but anyway what actually happend was I saw the story (on the bbc site) and wanted to test how fair they were just out of intrest, they failed badly. And that is basicly what pissed me off. Because I wanted to see a reasoned responce which would mean I could use them for reliable information. (I'd read stuff there before and sometimes it was interesting tho slightly biased but tolerably so) But they totally twisted the story to fuck.

That is surprising, at least we got the BBC to provide us with relatively unbias news because in the US its turning to shit. The media is getting worse everyday with the bullshit patriotism and fear of being labeled a liberal.

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Originally posted by NYGblue The media is getting worse everyday with the bullshit patriotism and fear of being labeled a liberal.

My thoughts exactly.

When did liberal become a bad word?

(just looked at my post from before I ment I was testing aljazeera, incase of any confustion...dunno if there was)

Anyway, yeah exactly I don't see how being libral (respecting human rights and so on) could be a bad thing.

Maybe the american media in some quarters(fox) is doing a good job of twisting the stories it's self. I rember my exgirlfriend saying that in the US because each state is so big it's hard to get much national nevermind international news on TV. Which I thought was weird, but maybe a product of being so big.

One thing about the BBC though, to stay relevant and keep getting viewers and so keep getting the licence fee (the goverment could stop it if it was no longer being watched), the BBC still has to get the stories everyday. Normally it goes down the root of the other side and uses its past as being imparcial to it's advantage. (i.e. some terroists have allowed filming in israel and so on)

There was only once I whiffed an air of imparicality when an embedded reporter was with US marines he went a bit native with them I felt. But maybe it's understandable when these guys are directly guarding you.

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Originally posted by Dervish I do rember watching fox and thinking it was even more dumbed down than newsround

AlJazeera is far less biased than cnn, ny times and other controlled american media, thus they are less evil and more acceptable than the latter sources.

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