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editing a track

is it like cuting/adding some bars or breakdowns or something from the track?


what is it?

why?

and how do you do it??

thanx

Re: editing a track

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Originally posted by dj jasonF is it like cuting/adding some bars or breakdowns or something from the track? what is it? why? and how do you do it?? thanx

what is it?
you add/subtract something. Can be remove breakdowns, add effects, add vocals, percussion, basslines, etc.
why?
Because you feel the track lacks something to fully incorporate your sets.
how?
if you just wanna remove some bars or extend loops, Acid will do. If you want to add more things, percussion, basslines, aplly effects, Reason, Fruity, the whole gang..

Without knowing really what you are asking other than how to edit a track, I have found the easiest program to use in cutting up a track is a wave editor (cooledit, soundforge, wavelab, etc..). Use whichever you are more comfortable with and edit the wave. If you are asking how to remix a track, you need the other programs mentioned above and should prob. ask that in the other forum.

no i dont want to remix just to learn what edit is and how its done.


i have soundforge and lets say that i have a track with 8 bar intro. and fuck me i cant fucking mix properly cuz the intro is 8 bars. i deside to edit it. i record the vinyl in my pc import to soundforge copy the intro and paste right at the start. now the problem is how do i know that the gab between the pasted 8 bars and the normal 8 bars is correct???

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Originally posted by dj jasonF no i dont want to remix just to learn what edit is and how its done. i have soundforge and lets say that i have a track with 8 bar intro. and fuck me i cant fucking mix properly cuz the intro is 8 bars. i deside to edit it. i record the vinyl in my pc import to soundforge copy the intro and paste right at the start. now the problem is how do i know that the gab between the pasted 8 bars and the normal 8 bars is correct???

you should use SonicFoundry's Acid for that. Acid will beatmap the track and then divide it into bars, you just need to select the bars you want, cut/copy, paste on the right spot (on this case right in the beginning)and you're all set, no gaps, nothing you do that in 2 minutes

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Originally posted by dj jasonF no i dont want to remix just to learn what edit is and how its done. i have soundforge and lets say that i have a track with 8 bar intro. and fuck me i cant fucking mix properly cuz the intro is 8 bars. i deside to edit it. i record the vinyl in my pc import to soundforge copy the intro and paste right at the start. now the problem is how do i know that the gab between the pasted 8 bars and the normal 8 bars is correct???

I did this with a prog track that Airbase posted which ended two suddenly (IMO). So using Adobe Audition I cut parts of the intro and threw them at the end of the track. Because I needed the beats to line up exactly I was very exact with where I cut it and just used the track timings to line things up. It was surprisingly easy and sounds sweet.

I am not a big fan of Acid. For this purpose, you wouldnt need ACID's beatmatching function as the track you are editing doesnt change speed. In soundforge, you need to use markers and loops. Place 2 markers, one at the beginning and one at the end of what you want to move. Once they are placed, 2x click in between to highlight between the markers and play that as a loop. Use your ear to match it up so that loops correct to what you are trying to do w/o any pops or anything at the beginning or end of the loop.

thanx

Re: Re: editing a track

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Originally posted by benoitfan if you just wanna remove some bars or extend loops, Acid will do. If you want to add more things, percussion, basslines, aplly effects, Reason, Fruity, the whole gang..

Acid is just as good for the latter as well.

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Originally posted by onceler you wouldnt need ACID's beatmatching function as the track you are editing doesnt change speed.

Acid still needs to know the speed of the track, though.

I'm also curious about this. Is Acid matehmatical in cuttign up the tracks. Someone mentioned you have to do it by ear to some extent. Which program allows you to be mathematical and exact when cutting up and rearranging tracks? Thanks.

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Originally posted by zizack Someone mentioned you have to do it by ear to some extent. Which program allows you to be mathematical and exact when cutting up and rearranging tracks? Thanks.

The only one I've had experience with in that respect is Acid. You're going to have to do it by ear to an extent no matter what -- no program will always be 100% accurate with the beats on its own. It's really easy. I've done it plenty of times.

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Originally posted by brian The only one I've had experience with in that respect is Acid. You're going to have to do it by ear to an extent no matter what -- no program will always be 100% accurate with the beats on its own. It's really easy. I've done it plenty of times.

Ok, when you do it by ear, and go to mix that sogn into a set, does it come off track at all when it's mixed in? Or does it flow perfectly without havign to mess with the pitch to get it back on?

If you are trying to mix on a computer w/o having to mix... you might want to check out Ableton Live. That is the program Sasha used to make his newest mix.

I'm referring to after you've finnished editing your track by ear in Acid for example, record it onto cd, and then go to play it in a regular mix. Lets say you edited the intro...when you get to the specific part you added or deleted, is it noticible for any reason...like will the beats come off because your editing wasn't done 100% mathematically for example?

bump

Ok, I think you would be able to get it close enough if you just tried it. With my first edit it definitly has tighter pitch then a lot of my records

If you are still worried about this (and it sounds like you are) just make the loop like was mentioned earlier and have it playing then fire up your TTs or CDJs and beatmatch it. If you can't get it try adjusting your loop (or else you suck at mixing ).

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Originally posted by auujay (or else you suck at mixing ).

....coming from a DJ from Cleveland.

I cant help you if you are using Acid.. yer gonna need the Acid junkies help on that. With SoundForge, it is simple. It takes an ear as everything in music needs to be done by ear. If you want to take a mathmatical approach, find 2 points in the song and loop them.. such as a 32-beat loop. Get the loop exactly set and find out how much time the loop takes up. If the intro is 32 beats, use that same time format and got at it that way. Make sure to use markers as it is easier to line up the markers and where you want a portion of the intro to enter the regular song.

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Originally posted by zizack Ok, when you do it by ear, and go to mix that sogn into a set, does it come off track at all when it's mixed in? Or does it flow perfectly without havign to mess with the pitch to get it back on?

Flows perfectly - with the edits I've done, I use the Beatmapper wizard's detected speed and then adjust accordingly, because it's guess at the speed has never been 100% spot-on.

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Originally posted by zizack ....coming from a DJ from Cleveland.

uh


What's that supposed to mean?

I'm a Cleveland too .... but I don't actually dj but I know a lot of them here and we have a slew of great talent.

But I dont know auujay .... you play anywhere?

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Originally posted by jdat uh What's that supposed to mean? I'm a Cleveland too .... but I don't actually dj but I know a lot of them here and we have a slew of great talent. But I dont know auujay .... you play anywhere?

Nope I sometime go to Wish for Tuesday night open decks but I am a grad student and it is often tough for me to devote a whole weekday night like that That said this is mostly a hobby for me and I don't have great DJ ambitions (nor have I aggressivly tried to market myself).

For something on topic... when I did mine I did the mathematical method that onecler mentioned (using 16 bars I believe).

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