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A Message From The Iraq Resistance

Not sure exactly the source of this video... whether this group took part in any of the beheadings etc... but check it out, interesting little clip.
cheesy music I might add.. hehe

A Message From The Iraq Resistance

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People of the world! These words come to you from those who up to the day of the invasion were struggling to survive under the sanctions imposed by the criminal regimes of the U.S. and Britain .

We are simple people who chose principles over fear.

We have suffered crimes and sanctions, which we consider the true weapons of mass destruction.

Years and years of agony and despair, while the condemned UN traded with our oil revenues in the name of world stability and peace.

Over two million innocents died waiting for a light at the end of a tunnel that only ended with the occupation of our country and the theft of our resources.

After the crimes of the administrations of the U.S and Britain in Iraq , we have chosen our future. The future of every resistance struggle ever in the history of man.

It is our duty, as well as our right, to fight back the occupying forces, which their nations will be held morally and economically responsible; for what their elected governments have destroyed and stolen from our land.

We have not crossed the oceans and seas to occupy Britain or the U.S. nor are we responsible for 9/11. These are only a few of the lies that these criminals present to cover their true plans for the control of the energy resources of the world, in face of a growing China and a strong unified Europe . It is Ironic that the Iraqi's are to bear the full face of this large and growing conflict on behalf of the rest of this sleeping world.

We thank all those, including those of Britain and the U.S. , who took to the streets in protest against this war and against Globalism. We also thank France , Germany and other states for their position, which least to say are considered wise and balanced, til now.

Today, we call on you again.

We do not require arms or fighters, for we have plenty.

We ask you to form a world wide front against war and sanctions. A front that is governed by the wise and knowing. A front that will bring reform and order. New institutions that would replace the now corrupt.

Stop using the U.S. dollar, use the Euro or a basket of currencies. Reduce or halt your consumption of British and U.S. products. Put an end to Zionism before it ends the world. Educate those in doubt of the true nature of this conflict and do not believe their media for their casualties are far higher than they admit.

We only wish we had more cameras to show the world their true defeat.

The enemy is on the run. They are in fear of a resistance movement they can not see nor predict.

We, now choose when, where, and how to strike. And as our ancestors drew the first sparks of civilization, we will redefine the word �conquest.�

Today we write a new chapter in the arts of urban warfare.

Know that by helping the Iraqi people you are helping yourselves, for tomorrow may bring the same destruction to you.

In helping the Iraqi people does not mean dealing for the Americans for a few contracts here and there. You must continue to isolate their strategy.

This conflict is no longer considered a localized war. Nor can the world remain hostage to the never-ending and regenerated fear that the American people suffer from in general.

We will pin them here in Iraq to drain their resources, manpower, and their will to fight. We will make them spend as much as they steal, if not more.

We will disrupt, then halt the flow of our stolen oil, thus, rendering their plans useless.

And the earlier a movement is born, the earlier their fall will be.

And to the American soldiers we say, you can also choose to fight tyranny with us. Lay down your weapons, and seek refuge in our mosques, churches and homes. We will protect you. And we will get you out of Iraq , as we have done with a few others before you.

Go back to your homes, families, and loved ones. This is not your war. Nor are you fighting for a true cause in Iraq .

And to George W. Bush, we say, �You have asked us to �Bring it on�, and so have we. Like never expected. Have you another challenge?�

American dollar goes down, ours goes up

Though its technically not that simple, our dollar WILL thrive

Good article Kate.

I get my salery in american dollars.

Its funny to hear a "bring it on" message from a small handful of people living in a country that is rapidly becoming a cesspool of violence...

it:s really sad to see situations like this...

the Iraquis are basically stuck with two unattractive choices... supporting the american reconstruction at the cost of decades of american dominance, or destroying everything to get freedom (which, if the americans are tenacious enough, they might not even get in the end...).

The one true fact of the matter of this whole sordid mess is the petrol reserves of Iraq & the security issues of having had a mad dictator in the middle of the region scaring everybody. the americans are on top to get it, the chiites want it and the sunnis want it and everybody who gets in their way (civilians) be damned.

Im probably gonna get flammed for this on these forums but im gonna say it anyways

anyone that chooses to use the term, put an end to the Zionist movement in a sentence, is a freakin racist.

Im not jewish, and i honestly don't know any as far as i know. But ffs get over it. Complaining about how jews run the world and crap, its so rediculus. Some ppl are so obseced and angry, i dunno what they are so angry about. Let me mention two other groups that love to say that jews steal our money and run our countries crap. The Nazis and the KKK.

that articles is so full of crap.

And i don't even support the war in Irak
Im against its principles, but not for the same reason as that nut ball

I feel so sorry for those people in Iraq.. My heart goes out to them. It's just sort of like a huge cat batting around a little mouse, this US "reconstruction" since they really have no say in how things are done.

I'm just glad to be living in a country that did not support the war on Iraq.

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Originally posted by kate I feel so sorry for those people in Iraq.. My heart goes out to them. It's just sort of like a huge cat batting around a little mouse, this US "reconstruction" since they really have no say in how things are done. I'm just glad to be living in a country that did not support the war on Iraq.

Agreed
to much hate on this planet. And just because ppl are different and greedy.
So glad i live in Canada.

I think its the experience from my trip over here in Syria... but let me tell you that these people need to get their ass bombarded badly. the whole country needs to be leveled.

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Originally posted by malek I think its the experience from my trip over here in Syria... but let me tell you that these people need to get their ass bombarded badly. the whole country needs to be leveled.

Do you mean, the States, Israel, or Irak

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Originally posted by Mike_B Do you mean, the States, Israel, or Irak

I'm in Syria, i would say Syria, would include Irak too.

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Originally posted by malek I'm in Syria, i would say Syria, would include Irak too.

mec t'as encore rien vu , faut y vivre toute ta vie pour comprendre how fucked people are ... but i still disagree with your solution

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Originally posted by malek I think its the experience from my trip over here in Syria... but let me tell you that these people need to get their ass bombarded badly. the whole country needs to be leveled.

experiencing a culture shock? takes a few days before you begin to feel more comfortable

Malek's solution sounds radical but im sure he's speaking in a figure of speach. I tell my girlfriend similar comments all the time. I think what he really means is ppl reality of world issues are so twisted and warped that is makes no sence. And their so pig headed about their views that the easiest way to fix it quote "the whole country needs to be leveled." Not really but Its kinda of hard to change a whole societies point of view. Would take years and years of re-education and even then who knows. Easier to blow it up and restart. Clearly a barbaric solution. but finding an alternitive is pretty damn perplexing

wow man, did u get to play Hitlers role or something?

lol you're missing my point im saying ppl are violent and angry, and this is the cause of many world problem
and since ppl are so pig headed its impossible to change them

hence malek responce

plain and simple

if you read my post above, you would of notice that i said i don't understand why ppl are always so nuts and angry about the supposed zionist movement crap thing

hence me playing hitler makes no sence

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hence me playing hitler makes no sence

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Easier to blow it up and restart. Clearly a barbaric solution. but finding an alternitive is pretty damn perplexing

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Originally posted by Mike_B Malek's solution sounds radical but im sure he's speaking in a figure of speach. I tell my girlfriend similar comments all the time. I think what he really means is ppl reality of world issues are so twisted and warped that is makes no sence. And their so pig headed about their views that the easiest way to fix it quote "the whole country needs to be leveled." Not really but Its kinda of hard to change a whole societies point of view. Would take years and years of re-education and even then who knows.

DID YOU MISS THE HOLE OTHER PORTION OF THE TREAD
FIGURE OF SPEECH, look it up if you dont know what it means

if your read my first post. you'll notice how i mention that i don't understand why ppl hate jews so much. This must make me the splitting image of hitler.

my god do you blow thing out of proportion without reading properly

I didn�t want to offend you �

u were saying that " ppl are violent and angry, and this is the cause of many world problem and since ppl are so pig headed its impossible to change them ... " so lets bomb them?

relax people

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Originally posted by vano I didn�t want to offend you � u were saying that " ppl are violent and angry, and this is the cause of many world problem and since ppl are so pig headed its impossible to change them ... " so lets bomb them?

I was taking this from malek comment and then fast said he did agree flatining a country was the solution

all i said was i agree that its not a solution, and im sure malek does to. Just explaining that i understand why he would pass such a comment. Its a thing you just say but don't really mean. what i was saying was. Trying to think of an actual solution however is quite neer imposible when ppl are brought up to think a certain why. you canot change their minds over night. So i fail to see how this made me out to be some hitler country bombing maniac.

I was probably not clear enough.

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I was probably not clear enough.

probably

First of all, let me start by saying that I agree with *most* of what was said in the article that Kate posted.

If we review the facts, then it's clear that the US, Britain and the rest of the coalition of the bribed are there *only* for their own selfish vested interests, in the form of geo-political hegemony, control of oil resources and the like. From a moral persepective, whether they install a democracy or not is completely besides the point in my opinion, since that form of governemnt happens to coincide *this time* with their true aspirations for starting this war, just like how at *other times*, installing and maintaining a dictator in that same country happened to coincide with those same aspirations. Viewed from that perspective, can anyone blame these people for resisting against what can rightfully be called an occupying force and an illegal war?

What I'm more curious to know is the following: Considering that most of the resistance is sunni-based, how much of the resistance (if at all) is based on the legitimate reasoning in the previous paragraph and how much of it (if at all) is based on this occupier threatening to change the status quo that used to be in their favour under Saddam?

As a side point, and in response to Mike_B, as much as I agree that there is much baseless propaganda in the Arab world regarding Jews, especially Jews-run-the-world-arguments, the opposition to zionism and the hatred in the Arab world for zionism is righteous (notice that I'm distinguishing between zionism and judaism or jews in general). Without going into details, although I'd be more than glad to if prompted, this is a movement, that, at its inception, desired to forcefully displace a local Arab population living for centuries on their homeland. Thus, a significant amount of problems in the Middle East over the last century are attributable to this aformentioned point. I don't blame you for not knowing the details of this conflict as they are many and the conflict is complicated, but I'm sure you would better understand why there is such opposition to the zionist movement if, without sounding too harsh, you would enlighten yourself a bit more regarding this subject matter.

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Trying to think of an actual solution however is quite neer imposible when ppl are brought up to think a certain why.

it is indeed difficult but there is always a solution (dropping bombs isn't one)

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Originally posted by Epicurus I don't blame you for not knowing the details of this conflict as they are many and the conflict is complicated, but I'm sure you would better understand why there is such opposition to the zionist movement if, without sounding too harsh, you would enlighten yourself a bit more regarding this subject matter.

Im not pretending that i know everything about the conflient between Isreal and the muslim nation, because i know i don't and quite frankly over here in canada just doesn't affect me that much. However recent events in the world and the fact that i sit near a group of Arabs at work that spent half their time talking about how jewish run the globe are and greedy and so on and so fort, has propted me to do a little research as to why their is so much hate.

one interesting article i came accross Altought i couldn't read it all because i found the guys point of views to be flat out racist, however made one good point. He mentioned that the muslin world is the only place in the entire world that has in fact managed to remove jewish ppl from their society. Everywhere you go in europe, the america's their are jewish ppl who live in our comunities. However the Arab world has managed to isolate them in less then 1 percent of Arab territory; Isreal. So therefore. You walk in Syria, Irak, Southie Arabia etc, and i would be really suprised if you ran into a Rabbi. Point being that by alianating them into Isreal to the point that no where else in that part of the globe will you find a jewish person isn't not enough for them???? What more do they want. Can they not just settle for this.

Now from what i uderstand of the conflict

From what i understand
after world warI the old Turkish Ottoman Empire, which was allied to germany, lost its territory to france and England. On the British portion of land, two palestine states where created, one jewsih Palestine for the Jewish comunity, the other Jordan for the arab community.

Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs where already there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!

In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan.

Later on the arab state was remaned Jordan and pretty much forgotten as being part of palestine.

around 1947 after many problems with palestanian jews and arab in-fighting in palestine(not Jordan)the british, gave the problem the to UN and basicly abandoned palestine all together.

The UN proposed resolution 181 to once again split up the Jewish palestine into portion of Arab nation and jewish nation in order to dessolve the conflicts. The Jewish Palestinians accepted the proposal... the Arab Palestinians rejected.

May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis". On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel.

And its still going on.
Make peace not war. Most ppl fighting now probably don't even know why or are just told to hate so they hate.

In my experience, to resolve a conflict, you need both sides to agree on the basic issues.

in the case of Israel, the jews and the palestinians STILL don:t agree on those basic issues... in fact, both of them don:t really know what those basic issues are since various factions on both sides have wildly different views about those basic issues...

The previous arab leadership basically f***ked up, Arafat ended up being a disaster for his own people, by being who he was, mostly... manipulative, divide-and-conquer, wait-and-see and indecisive. The israelis are no better with the settlements issue and that wall they recently built.

maybe sharon is on to something with his move to move out of Gaza unilaterally. It:s going to take a couple more bold moves like this just to get things back on track.

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