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Posted by Lira on Dec-19-2004 13:17:

What would the consequences be if Christianity and Islam were merged?

There are six basic beliefs shared by all Muslims:


I once heard they do accept Jesus as a Messenger, and I don't think there would be much trouble for most Christians in accepting Mohammed as a prophet as well. The rest could be logically adapted to Christian faith (and vice-versa), as long as people accepted some subtle changes.

I reckon this sounds doable. If someone actually managed to do it (and be successful, at least among moderate followers of both religions), what would the consequences be, in your opinion?

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* Shia muslims do not believe in absolute predestination (Qadar), since they consider it incompatible with Divine Justice. Neither do they believe in absolute free will since that contradicts God's Omniscience and Omnipotence. Rather they believe in "a way between the two ways" believing in free will, but within the boundaries set for it by God and exercised with His permission.


Posted by razmataz on Dec-19-2004 13:32:

Well another belief in Islam is that Christianity as preached by Jesus is identical to Islam preached by Mohammad. The belief goes that the Bible and the religion preached by Jesus was altered and disfigured to adapt to political and cultural needs (namely the Roman empire of the time) hence the need for other prophets to come forward. Muhammad was the last prophet because apparantly the "job was done". Amazingly enough, the Quran remains to this day unchanged and exactly as how it was revealed.

Anyways, I personally think if you can inject some rationality into everyone they would reject the notion of God and everyone would get along. It's amazing though how even the most reasonable minds can immediately abandon all rationality and believe in stories like men parting seas, walking on water, saving the world's animals on a boat from a flood, etc.


Posted by Lira on Dec-19-2004 13:38:

quote:
Originally posted by razmataz
if you can inject some rationality into everyone they would reject the notion of God and everyone would get along

They would get along, true, but ditching God is by no means necessary (or that "rationality" would "kill" God, for that matter).


Posted by zig on Dec-19-2004 14:39:

On a more practical level as Turkey has been granted accession status to begin talks about becoming a full member of the european union as of yesterday(this is no forgone conclusion..talks will last many years)and given that Turkey will be the first muslim country to join the EU..i think the question you pose above will be played out in a bigger arena publicly for the first time in the west..should be interesting..surprised nobody has a thread about this on pdd


Posted by Krypton on Dec-19-2004 18:03:

christianities basic doctrine is that jesus is the only way to salvation, not mohammed. actually, mohammed isnt the way to salvation to a moslim. its following the five pillars of faith. and what ive realized is that every world religion EXCEPT christianity holds this basic doctrine. that if u follow the path, youll reach your goal. while christianity holds, drop everything and just follow jesus. there is no other path but Him. every other religion holds that if u hold the path, u can reach salvation, christianity says, there is nothing u can do on your own to reach salvation, no path to follow, but jesus. and also, jesus is different from mohammed and many other so-called prophets because he preached that He Himself was the way to salvation, not a path such as the 5 pillars of faith or the Path to Enlightenment, etc.

there are many stark differences between the two. mohammed is considered a false prophet and islam a false religion. if u were to "merge" them, you would really just be creating a new religion, and would now have 3 instead of two. i could go into biblical scripture to back up what the christian doctrine is if u want.


Posted by Cyrus King on Dec-19-2004 18:23:

Shadowolf would commit suicide.

I think this would cuase even more violence. I just dont know how religion could merge.


Posted by Krypton on Dec-19-2004 18:28:

quote:
Originally posted by razmataz
Well another belief in Islam is that Christianity as preached by Jesus is identical to Islam preached by Mohammad. The belief goes that the Bible and the religion preached by Jesus was altered and disfigured to adapt to political and cultural needs (namely the Roman empire of the time) hence the need for other prophets to come forward. Muhammad was the last prophet because apparantly the "job was done". Amazingly enough, the Quran remains to this day unchanged and exactly as how it was revealed.

Anyways, I personally think if you can inject some rationality into everyone they would reject the notion of God and everyone would get along. It's amazing though how even the most reasonable minds can immediately abandon all rationality and believe in stories like men parting seas, walking on water, saving the world's animals on a boat from a flood, etc.


Today there is one version of the quaran, unchanged since the fourth Caliph Uthman. Before him, there were numurous versions, and each had their own thing added into it, and almost every one contradicted the other. Uthman saw this, and had all but one version destroyed along with manuscripts. unlike christianity, which has many version of the bible, islam has one. but its ironic how the bible's translations dont contradict each. there has been nothing added to the bible since the Council of Carthage in the 4th century AD.

u cant say miracles dont happen. to say that would imply your have all the knowledge of the universe known to you. but because u say they dont happen doesnt mean they dont happen. there are thousands of documented, trustworthy cases of miracles happening.


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Dec-19-2004 18:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Shadowolf would commit suicide.


Well, I don't know, he condemned muslims for colaborating with the nazis, but then he showed that he really likes them. So maybe that means that he actually likes muslims but is afraid to admit it. Kinda like the fact that many homophobic people are actually latent gays...

quote:
I think this would cuase even more violence. I just dont know how religion could merge.


Yeah, if Catholic and Orthodox church who actually believe in exactly the same thing can't merge I can't possibly see how Christianity and Islam could ever merge. And I really fail to see any benefit in such a synergy. Merge two horrible ideas into one to make those ramblings even more powerful! Wow, something we really need!


Posted by Subey on Dec-19-2004 21:11:

Is a satyr a man or a goat?

I wouldn't want to argue he's a man.
I wouldn't want to argue he's a goat.
I would want to argue he's a satyr.


Posted by Zild on Dec-19-2004 21:54:

Meh, monotheism is waning as a dominant religious archetype. At this point in time we are seeing and will continue to see the struggle as a new mode of human spirituality emerges. As evolution continues to telescope I think we will see some interesting things come to pass. Having said that Its still important to study and understand monotheism in context. Judaism, Christanity, and Islam all have the same spiritual undertones and teachings. They appeal to different types of men but serve the same diety, there is no one best choice or one true religion.


Posted by Krypton on Dec-19-2004 22:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
Meh, monotheism is waning as a dominant religious archetype. At this point in time we are seeing and will continue to see the struggle as a new mode of human spirituality emerges. As evolution continues to telescope I think we will see some interesting things come to pass. Having said that Its still important to study and understand monotheism in context. Judaism, Christanity, and Islam all have the same spiritual undertones and teachings. They appeal to different types of men but serve the same diety, there is no one best choice or one true religion.


moslims worship a different god than that of christians and jews. the judeo-christian god is that of abraham, isaac, jacob, and jesus. he is personal, and keeps everything in order. He in the form of 3 persons, the trinity, father, son, and holy spirit. this is to help us better comprehend the incomprehensible. god cannot be comprehended.

the moslim god or Allah is an impersonal god. that of abraham, isaac, jacob, and mohammed. moslims believe they will never meet god, but will enjoy his paradise if they follow the 5 pillars of faith. there are some contradictions in islam such as for one example. the first moslim.

Who was the first Muslim? Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? or Moses?
"And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).

"When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).

"And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).


Posted by Reverend_Trance on Dec-19-2004 23:08:

That is impossible. There one BIG issue that you can not get over.

Allah, a single God vs. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, a triune God.

They are all the same God but in 3 different forms. Mohommad was a prophet compared to Jesus, who was the Son of God. The Triune god will be hard to over come.

They all worship the same God. The Jews believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Musliums believe in the God of Abraham and his other son, Ishmeal, which was completed by Mohammad. The Christians believe in the fulfilment of the prophesy that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, while the Jews still wait.
They are similar in beginnings, but what they have become can not be reconciled.


Posted by ShadoWolf on Dec-20-2004 00:30:

You people just don't get it.

They can never merge. The goal of Islam is to conquer the world. They don't have missionaries or ways to to convert people through reason.


quote:
Jihad means "holocaust of non-Muslims", according to Encyclopedia Britannica, "Jihad is a religious duty imposed by Muslim law for the spread of Islam ... Muslims are under obligation to wage war against all non-Muslims".


Posted by ShadoWolf on Dec-20-2004 00:31:

For the record, Christianity HAS already merged with other religions. Consider the practices of European pagans and how we still observe them today (Christmas, Halloween, etc.).

Or in South America, where traditional practices are allowed within Catholicism.

Christianity is tolerant, perhaps too tolerant.


Posted by ShadoWolf on Dec-20-2004 00:34:

In contrast, Islam is intolerant.


Koran 9:71 �O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.�
Koran 8:59 �The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.�
Koran 4:168 �Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.�
Koran 4:114 �He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.�
Ishaq:344 �We smote them and they scattered. The impious met death. They became fuel for Hell. All who aren�t Muslims must go there. It will consume them while the Stoker [Allah] increases the heat. They had called Allah�s Apostle a liar. They claimed, �You are nothing but a sorcerer.� So Allah destroyed them.�
Koran 33:60 �Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy�a fierce slaughter�murdered, a horrible murdering.�
Koran 33:64 �Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers [whom he defines as Christians in the 5th surah] and has prepared for them a Blazing Fire to dwell in forever. No protector will they find, nor savior. That Day their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire. They will say: �Woe to us! We should have obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!� �Our Lord! Give them double torment and curse them with a very great Curse!��
Koran 5:10 �Those who reject, disbelieve and deny Our signs, proofs and verses will be companions of Hell-Fire.�
Koran 88:1 �Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.�
Bukhari:V1B11N617 �I would order someone to collect firewood and another to lead prayer. Then I would burn the houses of men who did not present themselves at the compulsory prayer and prostration.�
Bukhari:V1B11N626 �The Prophet said, �No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. Certainly I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.��
Bukhari:V4B52N260 �The Prophet said, �If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.��
Koran 5:51 �Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.�
Koran 74:31 �We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the People of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease.�
Bukhari:V4B54N487 �The Prophet said, �The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.� So someone said, �Allah�s Apostle, wouldn�t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?��
Koran 72:15 �The disbelievers are the firewood of hell.�
Koran 72:17 �If any turns away from the reminder of his Lord (the Koran), He will thrust him into an ever growing torment, and cause for him a severe penalty.�
Koran 72:25 �Whoever disobeys the Lord and His Messenger then there is for him the fire of Hell where they shall abide forever.�
Koran 88:21 �You are not a warden over them; except for those who turn away and disbelieve, in which case, he will be punished with the severest punishment. Verily to Us they will return.�
Koran 90:19 �But those who reject Our Signs, Proofs, and Verses, they are the unhappy Companions of the Left Hand. Fire will be their awning, vaulting over them.�
Koran 95:4 �We have indeed created man in the best molds. Then do We abase him, reducing him to be the lowest of the low, except such as believe.�
Tabari VIII:130 �The Messenger said, �Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.� Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: �Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.�
Koran 2:64 �But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.�
Koran 66:9 �O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelieving Infidels and the Hypocrites; be severe against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil resort.�
Koran 60:1 �Believers, take not my enemies and yours as allies, offering them love, even though they have rejected the truth that has come to you, and have driven out the Prophet and you because you believe in Allah! If you have come out to struggle [fight jihad] in My Cause, and to seek My Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love with them: for I am aware of all you conceal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path. If they were to get the better of you, they would be your foes, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil (designs).�
Koran 60:5 �We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.��
Koran 48:13 �If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!�
Koran 48:28 �It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam), that he may make it superior to every other religion, exalting it over them. Allah is a sufficient Witness. Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah. Those who are with him are severe with Infidel unbelievers.�
Koran 47:3 �Those who disbelieve follow vanities, while those who believe follow truth from their Lord: Thus does Allah coin for men their similitudes [resemblances] as a lesson. Whoever denies faith [in Islam and Muhammad], his work is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.�
Koran 9:2 �You cannot weaken Allah or escape. Allah will disgrace the unbelievers and put those who reject Him to shame.�
Koran 9:4 �You cannot escape Allah, weaken or frustrate Him. And proclaim a grievous penalty of a painful doom to those who reject [Islamic] Faith.�
Koran 9:17 �The disbelievers have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness against their own souls to infidelity. These it is whose doings are in vain, and in the fire shall they abide. Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up devotional obligations, pays the zakat, and fears none but Allah.�
Koran 9:28 �Believers, truly the pagan disbelievers are unclean.�
Koran 9:30 �The Jews call Uzair (Ezra) the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah�s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!�
Koran 9:33 �He has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam) to make it superior over all religions, even though the disbelievers detest (it).�
Koran 9:63 �Know they not that for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger is the Fire of Hell wherein they shall dwell? That is the supreme disgrace.�
Koran 9:66 �Make no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for they are disbelievers.�
Koran 9:113 �It is not fitting for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for the forgiveness for disbelievers, even though they be close relatives, after it is clear to them that they are the inmates of the Flaming Hell Fire.�
Koran 5:78 �Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.� Koran 5:80 �You see many of them allying themselves with the Unbelievers [other translations read: �Infidels�]. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah�s wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.�
Koran 5:82 �You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.�
Koran 5:86 �Those who reject Islam and are disbelievers, denying our Signs and Revelations �they shall be the owners of the Hell Fire.�
Tabari IX:78 �No polytheist shall come near the Holy Mosque, and no one shall circumambulate Allah�s House naked.�
Ishaq:246 �Hypocrites used to assemble in the mosque and listen to the stories of the Muslims and laugh and scoff at their religion. So Muhammad ordered that they should be ejected. They were thrown out with great violence. Abu went to Amr, took his foot and dragged him out of the mosque. Another Muslim slapped a man�s face while dragging him forcefully, knocking him down. One was pulled violently by his hair. �Don�t come near the Apostle�s mosque again, for you are unclean.� The first hundred verses of the Cow surah came down in reference to these Jewish rabbis and Hypocrites.�
Ishaq:262 �Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Koran forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse.�
Koran 5:51 �Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.�
Ishaq:245 �The Apostle used to say, �Their religion will never march with ours.��
Bukhari:V4B52N288 �Expel disbelievers from the Arabian Peninsula.��
Koran 2:191 �Slay them wherever you find and catch them, and drive them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter.�
Koran 33:25 �Allah drove the disbelievers back...and helped the believers in battle.... He terrorized the People of the Book so that you killed some and made many captive.�
Tabari IX:167 �Muhammad waged war against the false prophets [slitting his own wrists would have done nicely] by sending messengers with instructions to get rid of them by artful contrivance [plot or machination].�
Bukhari:V5B59N727 �When Allah�s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, �That is so! Allah�s curse be on Jews and Christians.��
Koran 21:98 �Verily you (disbelieving Infidels), and the gods that you worship besides Allah, are the fuel for Hell, ******s for the fire! Certainly you will enter it! Had their (idols) been (real) alihah (gods), they would have kept them out of Hell. Therein, sobbing will be your lot. Breathing with deep sighs, roaring. You will hear nothing but wailing and groaning.�
Koran 18:103 �Say: �Shall we inform you of who will be the greatest losers? �Those who reject my Revelations� Hell is their reward, because they rejected Islam, and took My proofs, verses, and lessons, and those of My Messengers by way of jest in mockery.��
Koran 52:9 �On the Day when heaven will heave in dreadful shaking, trembling, and mountains will fly hither and thither, woe to those who reject [me], that play in shallow trifles and sport in vain discourses. That Day they will be pushed down by force, thrust with a horrible thrust into the Fire of Hell. Unable to resist, they shall be driven to the fire with violence.�
Koran 40:10 �Lo, those who disbelieve will be informed by proclamation: �Verily Allah�s abhorrence is more terrible than your aversion to yourselves. Allah�s hatred of you is terrible, seeing that you were called to the Faith [of submission] and you refused.��
Koran 40:35 �Those who dispute the Signs and Verses of Allah without any authority, grievous and odious, hateful and disgusting, is it in the sight of Allah and the Believers.��
Ishaq:185 �Adam reviewed the spirits of his offspring. The infidels excited his disgust. I saw men with lips like camels. In their hands were pieces of fire like stones which they thrust into their mouths. They came out their posteriors.�
Koran 20:48 �Verily it has been revealed to us that the Penalty of Doom awaits those who reject and deny.�
Koran 20:100 �Whoever turns from it, he shall bear a burden on the Day of Doom. Grievous evil will the load on them. We shall gather the Mujrimun (disbeliever) blue or blind-eyed with thirst.... My Lord will blast them and scatter them as dust.�
Koran 21:06 �Not one of the populations which We destroyed believed: will these believe? ...So we saved whom We pleased, and We destroyed the disbelievers.�
Koran 21:10 �Verily, We have sent down for you a Book in which is your reminder. Have you then no sense? How many towns have We utterly destroyed because of their wrongs, exchanging them for other people? When they (felt) Our Torment, behold, they (began to) fly. Fly not, but return to that which emasculated you so that you may be interrogated. They cried: �Woe to us!� Their crying did not cease till We mowed them down as ashes silent and quenched.�
Koran 21:98 �Verily you (unbelievers), and that which you worship besides Allah, are ******s for the Hell Fire! And come to it you will! There, sobbing and groaning will be your lot.�
Koran 46:20 �On that Day the unbelievers will be placed before the Fire: �You squandered your good things in this life and you sought comfort from them, but today shall you be rewarded with a penalty of humiliation.��
Koran 59:4 �If any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment, stern in reprisal.�
Ishaq:249 �Fear Hell, whose fuel is men and stones prepared for the infidels.��
Koran 2:39 �Those who reject and deny Our Signs will be inmates of the Hell Fire and will abide there forever.�
Koran 2:99 �We have sent down to you Manifest Signs; and none reject them but those who are perverse.�
Koran 2:71 �The semblance of the infidels is one who shouts to one who cannot hear. They are deaf, dumb, and blind. They make no sense.�
Koran 2:174 �Those who conceal Allah�s revelations in the [Bible] Scripture Book, and thus make a miserable profit thereby [selling it to Muhammad], swallow Fire into themselves; Allah will not address them. Grievous will be their doom.� Koran 2:175 �They are the ones who bartered away guidance for error and Torment in place of Forgiveness. Ah, what boldness (they show) for the Fire! (Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism of great opposition.�
Koran 2:256 �There is no compulsion in religion.� Koran 4:90 �If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.�
Bukhari:V5B59N572 �O Muslims, take not My enemies as friends, offering them kindness when they reject Allah, the Prophet Muhammad, and his Koran. And whoever does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray. You have come out to fight in My Cause, seeking My acceptance so do not be friendly with them, even in secret.� [60:1]
Koran 8:12 �I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.� Koran 8:13 �This because they rejected Allah and defied His Messenger. If anyone opposes Allah and His Messenger, Allah shall be severe in punishment. That is the torment: �So taste the punishment. For those infidels who resist there is the torment of Hell.��
Koran 8:20 �Those who do not obey are the worst of beasts, the vilest of animals in the sight of Allah. They are deaf and dumb. Those who do not understand are senseless.�
Koran 8:36 �The unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the Way of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have intense regrets and sighs. It will become an anguish for them, then they will be subdued. The unbelievers shall be driven into hell in order that Allah may distinguish the bad from the good and separate them. Allah wants to heap the wicked one over the other and cast them into Hell. They are the losers.�
Koran 8:39 �So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).�
Koran 8:40 �If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know Allah is your Supporter.�
Koran 8:50 �If you could have seen the infidels when the angels drew away their souls, striking their faces and smiting their backs. The angels said: �Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire.��
Koran 8:52 �They denied and rejected the revelations of Allah, and Allah destroyed them, punishing them for their crimes: for Allah is strict, severe in punishment.�
Ishaq:231 �Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.�
Ishaq:363 �Say to those who do not believe you: �You will be vanquished and gathered into Hell, an evil resting place.��
Koran 61:7 �Who does greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah, even as he is being summoned to Submission? And Allah guides not the disbelievers. Their intention is to extinguish Allah�s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete His Light, even though the Unbelievers detest (it). It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam), that he may make it conquer all religion, even though the disbelievers hate (it).�
Koran 2:104 �To those who don�t submit there is a grievous punishment.�
Koran 3:4 �As a guidance to mankind, He sent down the criterion (to judge between right and wrong). Truly, for those who deny the proofs and signs of Allah, the torture will be severe; Allah is powerful, the Lord of Retribution.�
Koran 3:10 �As for those who deny [Islam], neither their wealth nor their children will help them in the least against Allah. They shall be ******s for the fire of Hell.�
Koran 3:11 �The punishment of Allah is severe. So tell the unbelieving infidels: �You will surely be vanquished, seized by Allah, and driven to Hell. How bad a preparation.��
Koran 3:26 �You [Allah] exalt whom You please and debase and humiliate whom You will. Those who believe should not take unbelievers as their friends�guard yourselves from them.� Allah commands you to beware of Him.�
Koran 3:32 �Say: �Obey Allah and His Messenger;� If they refuse, remember Allah does not like unbelieving infidels.�
Koran 3:55 �Allah said, �Jesus, I will take you and raise you to Myself and rid you of the infidels (who have forged the lie that you are My son).� Those who are infidels will surely receive severe torment both in this world and the next; and none will they have as a savior for them.�
Koran 3:61 �If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them.�
Koran 3:62 �This is the true account, the true narrative, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah; and Allah�He is the Mighty. And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is aware of the corrupters, the mischief-makers. Say: �People of the Book, come to common terms as an agreement between us and you: That we all shall worship none but Allah.��
Koran 3:84 �Say (Muhammad): �We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [of Israel], and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered, bowing our will (in Islam).��
Koran 3:85 �If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who are losers.� Koran 3:87 �Of such, the reward is the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all together. Their penalty of doom will not be lightened.�
Koran 3:118 �Believers! Take not into your intimacy those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, and Christians). They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin. Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths. What their hearts conceal is far worse. When they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say unto them: �Perish in your rage.��
Koran 3:141 �This is so that Allah may test the faithful and destroy the unbelieving infidels.� [Another translation:] �Allah�s object is to purge those that are true in Faith and blight the disbelievers. This is so that Allah may test the faithful and destroy the unbelieving infidels.�
Koran 3:150 �Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!�
Koran 33:8 �He has prepared for the Unbelievers a grievous Penalty.�
Koran 33:58 �And those who annoy or malign Muslims bear (on themselves) a crime of calumny and a glaring sin.�
Koran 24:39 �For those who disbelieve, their deeds are like a mirage in the desert. There is no water for the thirsty. He only finds Allah, who will pay him his due in Hell.�
Koran 23:40 �Soon they will regret. Torment and an awful cry will overtake them. We have made such men rubbish, like rotting plants. So away with the people.�
Koran 24:57 �Never think that the unbelievers can escape in the land. Their abode is Fire!�
Koran 4:12 �Those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.�


Posted by St_Andrew on Dec-20-2004 02:58:

oh, so you cant find that in the bible

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

Genesis

# God likes Abel's dead animals better than Cain's fruits and vegetables. Why? Well, no reason is given, but it probably has something to do with the amount of pain, blood, and gore involved. 4:3-5

# God gives Abraham and his descendants all of the land of Canaan "forever". This promise is still used to justify the the unending battles over the land in the Middle East. 13:14-15, 17:8

# An uncircumcised boy is to be abandoned by his parents and community. 17:14

# God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family.19:24

# Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

# Abraham makes his servant swear that he won't let Isaac marry a Canaanite. 24:3

# Isaac tells Jacob not to marry a Canaanite. 28:1

# Jacob's sons can't stand the idea of their sister marrying someone who is uncircumcised. 34:14

# "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

# After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

# After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
Exodus

# God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

# God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

# After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." 12:29

# No stranger, foreigner, or uncircumcised person can eat the passover. 12:43, 45, 48

# Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

# The Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14

# God favors Israelites "above all people." 19:5

# The first commandment ("Thou shalt have no other gods before me.") condemns those who worship any other than the biblical god. 20:3

# "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

# "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

# Don't even mention the names of the other gods. 23:13

# Do not allow others to worship a different god. Conquer them and destroy their religious property. 23:24

# God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

# Stay away from those who worship a different god. 23:32

# Don't let any strangers attend your animal sacrifices. 29:33

# Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

# Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

# God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor.... And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

# God drives out the pagan tribes and commands the Israelites to destroy their altars and places of worship. 34:11-14

# God, "whose name is Jealous", will not tolerate the worship of any other god. 34:14

# Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3
Leviticus

# Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2

# Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22

# Don't eat anything with blood, observe times, round the corners of your head, mar the corners of your beard, make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, or print any marks on you. 19:26-28

# Stay away from wizards and people with familiar spirits. 19:31

# Stay away from people with familiar spirits and don't "go a whoring" after them either. 20:6

# If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

# People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

# Handicapped people cannot approach the altar of God. They would "profane" it. 21:16-23

# No stranger or slave can "eat of the holy thing." 22:10

# Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30

# A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23

# God describes the torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it," "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children," and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons and daughters." 26:16-39

# Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16
Numbers

# God shows his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51, 3:10, 3:38

# Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

# God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4

# "And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burned the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1

# "And while the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

# Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God has the ground open up and swallow Korah and his family. And then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn 250 men (friends of Korah?) to death. 16:20-49

# After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50

# "And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3

# God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35

# After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5

# When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

# God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17

# Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! [Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins. (31:28-29)] 31:1-54

# God tells Moses to exterminate the residents of Canaan and destroy all of their religious symbols and possessions. 33:50-52
Deuteronomy

# God destroyed the followers of Baalpeor. 4:3

# The first commandment ("Thou shalt have no other gods before me.") condemns those who worship any other than the biblical god. 5:4

# If you worship the wrong god, God will get jealous and kill you. 6:15

# God forbids marriages with those of other tribes. 7:3

# If you do show any mercy to such strangers, "give your daughters to any of them, or "take" any of their daughters, then you'll get God so angry that he'll "destroy thee suddenly." 7:4

# God prefers the Israelites to everyone else. It's not that he's prejudiced, he just like them better. 7:6

# Destroy the altars, images, and places of worship of those with different religions. 7:5

# God will kill those who hate him. 7:10

# God's favorite people will never be infertile (neither will their cows!) and will never get sick. (God will send infertility and diseases on the other guys.) 7:14-15

# God commands his people to "consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity on them." 7:16

# God orders the destruction of all other places of worship. 12:2-3

# Kill those of other faiths. Reject their beliefs and do not learn about them. 12:30

# Prophets and dreamers are to be executed if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5

# If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." If Bible-believers followed this one, they would have to kill many of their own family and friends. 13:6-10

# If you hear of a city where another god is worshiped, then destroy everyone in the city (even the cattle) and burn it down. (Watch out Salt Lake!) 13:12-16

# Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7

# Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13

# Wizards, witches, astrologers, and new age folks are all "an abomination unto the Lord." 18:10-12

# False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

# God won't let bastards attend church. Neither can the sons or daughters of bastards "even to the tenth generation." So if you plan to attend church next Sunday be ready to prove that your genitals are intact and don't forget your birth certificate and genealogical records for at least the last ten generations. Don't laugh. This stuff is important to God. 23:2

# No Moabite will ever be allowed into the congregation of the Lord. 23:3, 6

# God commands the Israelites to "blot out the rembrance of Amalek from under heaven." A few hundred years later God orders Saul to kill of the Amalekites "both man and woman, infant and suckling." (1 Sam.15:2-3) 25:19

# "And the Lord will put all these curses upon thine enemies." See Dt.28:16-64 for some of the curses God has in mind. 30:7
Joshua

# Keep yourselves from "the accursed thing". Whatever that is. But be sure to save all the silver and gold for God! 6:18-19

# If you happen to see "the accursed thing," don't touch it. If you do, you, your family, and all of your animals must be burned. 7:15

# "And Joshua ... took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his sheep... And all of Israel stoned them with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." This is because Achan "took of the accursed thing" -- whatever that means. But why would God require that Achan's sons and daughters (and even his animals) be stoned to death along with him? The Bible doesn't say. But it does tell us that "the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger" when Achan, his children, and his animals were stoned to death and their dead bodies burned. This story tells us about the loving kindness of the biblical God. 7:24-16

# "When ye have taken the city [Ai] ... ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD. 8:8

# Joshua and his army, per God's instructions, slaughter "all the inhabitants of Ai." 8:22-26

# "For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly." Notice that God hardens their hearts so that he can have an excuse to kill them. 11:20

# God is jealous and will never forgive you for your sins. And if you worship other gods, "He will turn and do you hurt, and consume you." 24:19-20
Judges

# God gets angry when the Israelites reject him and decide to worship other Gods. 2:12
1 Kings

# Note that Solomon is told to stay away from foreign women. Why? Because they have different ("strange") religious beliefs, and God disapproves of mixed-faith marriages. 11:2

# Elijah orders the people to kill all prophets of Baal. 18:40

# Naboth is stoned to death for blaspheming god and the king. 21:13

# Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
2 Kings

# Ahaziah was sick and sent messengers to Baalzebub to ask if he would recover. God was jealous of the attention given to his competitor and tells Ahaziah that he will die for asking the wrong god. 1:4, 17

# Jehu shows off his zeal for the Lord by murdering "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria, till he had destroyed him according to the word of the Lord." 10:16-17

# Jehu lied to the followers of Baal so that he could trap and kill them. 10:19

# Jehu, when he finishes his animal sacrifices, orders his men to "Go in, and slay them, let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword." 10:25

# God is greatly pleased with all of Jehu's killings, saying "because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart [Jehu murdered them all], thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." 10:30

# Destroy the religious buildings of those of other faiths and kill their ministers. 11:18

# God sent lions to devour the foreigners in Samaria because "they feared not the Lord," and even worse "they knew not the manner of the God of the land." Well that'll teach them about God's manners. 17:25-26

# Josiah, apparently with God's approval, kills "all the priests of the high places" and sacrifices them to God on their altars. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 23:20
2 Chronicles

# Whoever that does not seek the God of Israel should be executed. 15:13

# Hate the sinner -- or God will pour his wrath out on you. 19:2
Ezra

# The Israelites offend God by "taking" foreign wives and thereby corrupting "the holy seed." 9:2

# Ezra tells the men that they must abandon their wives and children if they are to avoid God's wrath. 10:2-3, 10-12
Nehemiah

# Nehemiah rebukes the men for marrying "strange wives." To punish them he "contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair." 13:25-27
Psalms

# God will hit heathens with a rod of iron and "dash them in pieces." 2:8

# Christians often say that one should love the sinner but hate the sin. Perhaps, but God hates sinners and plans to destroy them. 5:5-6

# Atheists are fools who never do anything good. 14:1, 53:1

# The Psalmist praises God for driving out and afflicting "the heathen" with his own hand. 44:2

# The Psalmist asks God to kill all "the heathen" and not show them any mercy. 59:5

# God will laugh at the heathen as he kills them. 59:8

# A prayer for God to kill those who don't know him. 79:6

# The psalmist excels at hating. He hates people with a "perfect hatred." 139:19-22
Isaiah

# No astrologer, stargazer, or prognosticator will be able to save those that God plans to burn to death. 47:13-14

# "God's servants" will have it good; everyone else will suffer big time. 63:13-16
Jeremiah

# The worshipping of other gods is called wickedness. 1:16

# Those who don't follow or know God are "poor" and "foolish." 5:4

# God will kill those who believe and preach the wrong doctrines. 5:12-13

# God "will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts" because they refuse to do whatever the hell he asks them to do. 6:19

# God says that there are some people that you just shouldn't bother praying for. And if you do he won't listen anyway. 7:16

# God is angered by children who gather wood, fathers who make fires, and women that make bread for the "queen of heaven" (Mary?) and other gods. 7:18

# Don't trust anyone. Not even your neighbors, family, or friends. Those who believe differently than you are all liars and evil doers. 9:4-6

# "Learn not from the heathen." 10:2

# Jeremiah prays for the destruction of the people that don't call on God's name. 10:25

# Those who don't follow the Old Testament laws are cursed by God. 11:3

# God will break those who worship other gods as though they were made of clay, killing so many that there will not be enough room to bury them all. 19:11-13

# If any nation does not listen to God, he "will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation." 12:17

# Worshipping other gods "is good for nothing." 13:10

# God will kill children if their parents worship other gods. 16:10-11

# God will enslave the people of Judah because they worshipped the wrong gods. 17:4

# Jeremiah asks God to bring evil upon his enemies and to "destroy them with double destruction." 17:18

# For worshipping "other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known," God will make parents eat their own children, and friends each other. Then he'll feed whoever's left over to the birds.

# If you don't honor the Sabbath, God will burn you to death unquenchable fire. 17:28

# God will break those who worship other gods as though they were made of clay, killing so many that there will not be enough room to bury them all. 19:11-13

# God will kill those who refuse listen to his prophets. 29:19
Ezekiel

# God is jealous of people's attention on idols, so he says these idols and altars will be destroyed and the people will pay for their "abominations." 6:4-9

# God again promises to destroy those that dare worship something or someone other than him. 14:6-8

# God planned to "pour out [his] fury" on the Hebrews in Egypt for worshipping idols or other gods. 20:7-10

# "The day ... of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen." God plans to wipe out the heathen. When? Soon. Really soon. 30:3

# God's got a hardcore grudge against the "uncircumcised." 32:21-32

# Worshipping idols and other gods is "detestable." 37:23

# God will not allow any uncircumcised foreigners into the sanctuary and, for any priests who worshipped idols, God will lift his "hand against them, ... and they shall bear their iniquity." 44:9-13
Daniel

# Nebuchadnezzar, after first trying to burn to death the three Hebrews, now decrees that everyone who says anything against the Hebrew god "shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill." This is an example of the loving kindness and tolerance that supernatural belief inspires in humans. 3:29

# King Darius makes a decree, "that in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel." 6:26
Hosea

# It's not clear in the KJV, but "people" and "strangers" are translated as "aliens" and "foreigners" in other versions. This would mean part of the reason for Ephraim's bloody fate is association with other races. 7:8-9

# Because the Samaritans chose to worship another deity, God promises to dash their infants to pieces and their "women with child shall be ripped up." 13:16
Amos

# God promises to destroy those who worship other gods. 7:9

# God will eliminate anyone who prays to a different god on the day of his wrath. 8:14
Obadiah

# God will take care of the heathen. "They shall be as though they had not been." 16
Micah

# Other cultures' religious beliefs and symbols are associated with prostitutes, and should be destroyed. 1:7

# God will strengthen the Israelites so they can "beat in pieces many peoples" and give the booty to God. 4:13

# "Burn more witches! Destroy the images of gods who aren't me!" sayeth the Lord. 5:12-13
Zephaniah

# God will "cut off" all those who "have not sought the Lord" or who worship another god.1:4-6

# God "will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel."1:8

# God doesn't have night-vision, so he needs candles when he comes to punish these people that say, "The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil": atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, etc. 1:12
Zechariah

# God will "smite the heathen" with a plague. 14:18
Malachi

# God hates the Edomites, and his hatred will last forever. 1:4
Matthew

# Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

# "the children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

# Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

# "Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." 10:33

# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

# Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 12:30

# Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

# Jesus refuses to heal the Canaanite (Mk.7:26 says she was Greek) woman's possessed daughter, saying "it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs." 15:22-26

# The ever-so-kind Jesus calls the Pharisees "hypocrites, wicked, and adulterous." 15:2-3

# Jesus condemns the Jews for being "the children of them which killed the prophets." 23:31

# This verse blames the Jews for the death of Jesus and has been used to justify their persecution for twenty centuries. 27:25
Mark

# Jesus becomes angry at those who said that he had "an unclean spirit," so he announces the unforgivable sin: "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost." 3:29

# Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

# Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. 7:25-29

# Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
Luke

# Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9

# Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 11:23

# God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47

# In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words of Jesus: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
John

# People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36

# The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

# John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the Jews persecuted Jesus and "sought to slay him." 5:16, 18

# John says that Jesus "would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." 7:1

# No one could speak openly about Jesus "for fear of the Jews." 7:13

# Jesus says we must believe in him or we will "die in our sins." 8:24

# Jesus calls his opponents (the Jews) the sons of the devil. 8:44

# Once again, "the Jews" are accused of trying to kill Jesus. 11:8

# If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48

# John blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 19:7, 12, 14-15

# Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

# John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says tht the disciples hid in locked room "for fear of the Jews." 20:19
Acts

# Peter blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 3:14-15

# Peter wrongly claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all nonchristians) must be killed. 3:23

# God will torture forever those who don't know the password to heaven. 4:12

# Once again, Peter accuses the Jews of murdering Jesus. 5:30

# Stephen blames the Jews for persecuting the prophets and murdering Jesus. 7:51-52

# After Saul "increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews," the "Jews took counsel to kill him." 9:22-23

# The Jews are again blamed for the death of Jesus. 10:39

# Herod beheads James the brother of John and imprisons Peter "because he saw it pleased the Jews." 12:1-3

# Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11

# The Jews of Antioch, after seeing Paul's success in preaching, were envious and blasphemed God. Paul then declares them to be "unworthy of everlasting life." 13:45-46

# Once again "the Jews stirred up" trouble and "raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts." 13:50

# "The unbelieving Jews" stir up trouble again for Paul and incite the people to try to stone him to death. 14:2-5

# In Thesssalonica, "the Jews which believed not, moved with envy" stir up trouble for Paul and his friends. 17:5

# The Jews hate the word of God and are always just stirring up trouble. 17:13

# "And when they [the Jews of Corinth] opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he [Paul] shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads." (Have a nice day?) 18:6

# "The Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat." 18:12

# Poor Paul complains, once again, of being mistreated by "the Jews." 20:19

# The Jews, once again, incite the people to kill poor old Paul 21:27, 31

# The Jews form a grand conspiracy to kill Paul. They vow not to eat until the job is done. 23:12-15

# Claudius saves Paul from being killed by the Jews. 23:27

# Those pesky Jews caught Paul and and tried to kill him. But he got away. Darn! 26:21
Romans

# "The wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 1:18

# Paul claims that the existence and nature of God is self-evident; thus, unbelievers are "without excuse." 1:20

# With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28

# Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" and should be killed. 1:31-32

# "He that doubteth is damned ... Whosoever is not of faith is sin." 14:23

# Shun those who disagree with your religious views. 16:17
1 Corinthians

# "Put away from among yourselves that wicked person." 5:9-11

# Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10

# Those who don't love Jesus are to be "anathema" (damned). 16:22

# Gentiles sacrifice to devils. If you have gentile friends, then you are friends with devils. 10:20
2 Corinthians

# "The god of this world" has blinded the minds of nonbelievers. 4:3-4

# Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. 6:14-17

# Christians cannot be freethinkers, since all their thoughts and imaginings must be brought into captivity in obedience to Christ. 10:5
Galatians

# Those who disagree with Paul's religious views are damned. 1:8-9

# Those who try to follow the law are cursed 3:10

# "I would they were even cut off which trouble you." Gosh, that doesn't sound very nice. But I wonder what Paul meant by "cut off". The New Revised Standard Version translates this verse as: "I wish those who unsettle you would castrate themselves!" 5:12

# Witches, idol worshippers, and heretics will not go to heaven. (Guess where they'll be going.) 5:20-21
Philippians

# Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. 2:10-11

# "Beware of dogs ... beware of the concision." I'm not sure who Paul is calling "dogs" here. Some say he is referring to Jews -- to those of "the concision", as opposed to Christians, who are of the "true circumcision". In any case, Paul is expressing hostility and intolerance toward his fellow human beings. 3:2
1 Thessalonians

# Paul accuses "the Jews" of killing Jesus, persecuting the prophets, displeasing God, and being "contrary to all men." He concludes that the wrath of God will "come upon them to the uttermost. 2:14-16
2 Thessalonians

# Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9

# God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12

# Those who disagree with Paul are to be shunned. 3:6, 14
1 Timothy

# Paul delivered Hymenaeus and Alexander unto Satan so "that they might learn not to blaspheme." Apparently (see 2 Tim.2:16-18 and 4:14-15) their "blasphemy" was disagreeing with Paul. 1:20

# Paul advises his followers to stay away from those who discuss important matters -- especially if they disagree with him. 6:1

# Paul advises his followers to stay away from those who discuss important matters -- especially if they disagree with him. 6:1

# Paul instructs Timothy to avoid science, especially that which disagrees with him ("science falsely so called"). Other versions translate this phrase as "false knowledge", which may be more correct. However many fundamentalist Christians still use this verse ("science falsely so called") to justify their rejection of any idea, scientific or otherwise, they believe contradicts the bible. 6:20
2 Timothy

# "If we deny him [Jesus], he will deny us." Fair is fair! 2:12

# Paul condemns Hymenaeus and Philetus for disagreeing with him about the timing of the resurrection. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.4:14-15) 2:16-18

# "The Lord knoweth them that are his." This verse was used by the Catholic Church during the inquisition to justify killing those suspected of heresy. (Kill them all, for `the Lord knows them that are His'." ) 2:19

# Paul says that God will bring evil on Alexander the coppersmith. Why? Well, because Alexander did Paul "much evil." He even blasphemed by disagreeing with Paul. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.2:16-18) 4:15
Titus

# To Paul, Jews are unruly liars "whose mouths must be stopped." 1:10-11

# According to Paul, the people of Crete are "always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies." 1:12

# Heretics are to be rejected since they are subverted, sinners, and condemned by God. 3:10-11
Hebrews

# Every skeptic and nonbeliever has "an evil heart of unbelief." 3:12

# It is impossible for fallen-away Christians to be saved. (Didn't the author know about confession or the finality of being saved?) 6:4-6

# Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29

# If you don't believe the same things as the author of Hebrews, then it's impossible to please God. 11:6
James

# Whoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God. 4:4
1 Peter

# Things may get rough for Christians, but it will really be hell for nonbelievers. 4:17-18
2 Peter

# The basic message of Christianity is "believe or be damned" and from this flows intolerance toward all nonchristians. But, as these verses show, Christian intolerance is often directed toward believers as well. Each group of Christians accuses the others of being "false teachers" of "damnable heresies" who will soon be damned to hell. 2:1-3

# God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
1 John

# "Love not the world." Stay away from those who believe differently than you. 2:15

# Every nonchristian is liar and an antichrist. 2:22, 4:2-3

# Christians are alive; nonchristans are dead. 5:12

# Christians are "of God;" everyone else is wicked. 5:19
2 John

# The nonchristian is "a deceiver and an antichrist." 1:7

# "Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." 1:9

# Don't associate with nonchristians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 1:10
Jude

# Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don't believe in him. 1:5
Revelation

# False Jews are members of "the synagogue of Satan." 2:9

# God will make "the synagogue of Satan [that would be the Jews] ... come and worship before thy feet." (Whose feet? Well, the feet of Christians, of course!) 3:9

# God's favorites just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. 6:10-11

# 144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4

# All liars, as well as sorcerers, idolaters, and those who are fearful or unbelieving will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8


Posted by St_Andrew on Dec-20-2004 03:03:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
You people just don't get it.

They can never merge. The goal of Islam is to conquer the world. They don't have missionaries or ways to to convert people through reason.


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well, the quran doesnt say the same thing as the "encyclopedia Britannica", and the quran is what makes sense to quote in this context right?


Posted by NeoPhono on Dec-20-2004 04:16:

Re: What would the consequences be if Christianity and Islam were merged?

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
What would the consequences be if Christianity and Islam were merged?


Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

That's right...total protonic reversal.


Posted by occrider on Dec-20-2004 05:03:

Their offspring would be the poster child for abortion.


Posted by bass drive on Dec-20-2004 13:41:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Jihad means "holocaust of non-Muslims", according to Encyclopedia Britannica, "Jihad is a religious duty imposed by Muslim law for the spread of Islam ... Muslims are under obligation to wage war against all non-Muslims".


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I am quite sure, Jihad means the duty of all muslims to fight against people invading any part of muslim land

you can't trust those versions of online quaran, they are probably wrong..


Posted by Krypton on Dec-20-2004 15:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Reverend_Trance
That is impossible. There one BIG issue that you can not get over.

Allah, a single God vs. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, a triune God.

They are all the same God but in 3 different forms. Mohommad was a prophet compared to Jesus, who was the Son of God. The Triune god will be hard to over come.

They all worship the same God. The Jews believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Musliums believe in the God of Abraham and his other son, Ishmeal, which was completed by Mohammad. The Christians believe in the fulfilment of the prophesy that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, while the Jews still wait.
They are similar in beginnings, but what they have become can not be reconciled.


So what are you trying to say?

quote:
For the record, Christianity HAS already merged with other religions. Consider the practices of European pagans and how we still observe them today (Christmas, Halloween, etc.).

Or in South America, where traditional practices are allowed within Catholicism.

Christianity is tolerant, perhaps too tolerant.


the cathothic church has become very flawed throughout the ages. that is why the protestant reformation occured. they have put tradition, good works, and rules over anything jesus taught. catholicism has the worship of saints and of the virgin mary, who is given way more credit than she deserves, which does mix in with paganism worshiping more than one god, but many. thats why its called "roman catholicism", being rome was once pagan.

on the protestant side of christianity, they have not merged with any other religion, each denomination just has a different style of church, the way they worship, and teach.

christianity is tolerent in many ways, and in other ways is not. they are told out of the bible to defend the faith, and exert influence in their surroundings just like any other group might. the cultural revolution back in 50's, 60's, 70's was fought fiercely by christians, but to little avail. each decade, they lose more and more influence. it is their belief that the end of the world is near. all this has been prophecied thousands of years ago, so their belief is well-founded.


Posted by Krypton on Dec-20-2004 15:32:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
oh, so you cant find that in the bible

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

Genesis

# God likes Abel's dead animals better than Cain's fruits and vegetables. Why? Well, no reason is given, but it probably has something to do with the amount of pain, blood, and gore involved. 4:3-5

# God gives Abraham and his descendants all of the land of Canaan "forever". This promise is still used to justify the the unending battles over the land in the Middle East. 13:14-15, 17:8

# An uncircumcised boy is to be abandoned by his parents and community. 17:14

# God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family.19:24

# Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26

# Abraham makes his servant swear that he won't let Isaac marry a Canaanite. 24:3

# Isaac tells Jacob not to marry a Canaanite. 28:1

# Jacob's sons can't stand the idea of their sister marrying someone who is uncircumcised. 34:14

# "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7

# After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10

# After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
Exodus

# God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26

# God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7

# After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." 12:29

# No stranger, foreigner, or uncircumcised person can eat the passover. 12:43, 45, 48

# Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13

# The Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." 17:14

# God favors Israelites "above all people." 19:5

# The first commandment ("Thou shalt have no other gods before me.") condemns those who worship any other than the biblical god. 20:3

# "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18

# "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20

# Don't even mention the names of the other gods. 23:13

# Do not allow others to worship a different god. Conquer them and destroy their religious property. 23:24

# God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27

# Stay away from those who worship a different god. 23:32

# Don't let any strangers attend your animal sacrifices. 29:33

# Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33

# Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14

# God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor.... And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28

# God drives out the pagan tribes and commands the Israelites to destroy their altars and places of worship. 34:11-14

# God, "whose name is Jealous", will not tolerate the worship of any other god. 34:14

# Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3
Leviticus

# Two of the sons of Aaron "offered strange fire before the Lord" and "there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord." 10:1-2

# Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22

# Don't eat anything with blood, observe times, round the corners of your head, mar the corners of your beard, make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, or print any marks on you. 19:26-28

# Stay away from wizards and people with familiar spirits. 19:31

# Stay away from people with familiar spirits and don't "go a whoring" after them either. 20:6

# If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13

# People with "familiar spirits" (witches, fortune tellers, etc.) are to be stoned to death. 20:27

# Handicapped people cannot approach the altar of God. They would "profane" it. 21:16-23

# No stranger or slave can "eat of the holy thing." 22:10

# Don't do any work on the day of atonement or God will destroy you. 23:29-30

# A man curses and blasphemes while disputing with another man. Moses asks God what to do about it. God says that the whole community must stone him to death. "And the children of Israel did as the Lord and Moses commanded." 24:10-23

# God describes the torments that he has planned for those who displease him. The usual stuff: plagues, burning fevers that will consume the eyes, etc. but he reserves the worst for the little children. He says "ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it," "I will send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children," and "ye shall eat the flesh of your sons and daughters." 26:16-39

# Anyone who blasphemes or curses shall be stoned to death by the entire community. 24:16
Numbers

# God shows his hospitality with the admonition: "The stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death." 1:51, 3:10, 3:38

# Two of Aaron's sons are killed by God for "offering strange fire before the Lord." 3:4

# God tells the people to expel from camp "every leper, every one that hath an issue, and whoever is defiled by the dead." So by God's instructions, the sick are abandoned and left to suffer and die alone. 5:1-4

# "And when the people complained, it displeased the Lord: and the Lord heard it." (He had his hearing aid on.) He then burned the complainers alive. That'll teach them. 11:1

# "And while the flesh [of the quails] was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague. "The Bible isn't too clear about what these poor folks did to upset God so much; all it says is that they had "lusted." 11:33

# Because of a dispute between Korah and Moses, God has the ground open up and swallow Korah and his family. And then, just for the hell of it, God has a fire burn 250 men (friends of Korah?) to death. 16:20-49

# After God killed Korah, his family, and 250 innocent bystanders, the people complained saying, "ye have killed the people of the Lord." So God, who doesn't take kindly to criticism, sends a plague on the people. And "they that died in the plague were 14,700." 16:41-50

# "And the Lord hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities." This verse demonstrates the power of prayer: If you ask God, he will destroy entire cities for you. 21:3

# God delivers the Amorites into Moses' hands. (You're in God hands with Moses.) So Moses does the usual thing, killing everyone "until their was none left alive." 21:34-35

# After the people "commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab," Moses has them all killed. Then God tells Moses to hang their dead bodies up in front of him; God says that this will satisfy him. 25:1-5

# When one of the Israelite men brings home a foreign woman, "Phinehas (Aaron's grandson) sees them and throws a spear "through the man .. and the woman through her belly." This act pleases God so much that "the plague was stayed from the children of Israel." But not before 24,000 had died. 25:6-9

# God tells Moses how to care for his neighbors by saying: "Vex the Midianites, and smite them." 25:16-17

# Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins -- Wow! [Even God gets some of the booty -- including the virgins. (31:28-29)] 31:1-54

# God tells Moses to exterminate the residents of Canaan and destroy all of their religious symbols and possessions. 33:50-52
Deuteronomy

# God destroyed the followers of Baalpeor. 4:3

# The first commandment ("Thou shalt have no other gods before me.") condemns those who worship any other than the biblical god. 5:4

# If you worship the wrong god, God will get jealous and kill you. 6:15

# God forbids marriages with those of other tribes. 7:3

# If you do show any mercy to such strangers, "give your daughters to any of them, or "take" any of their daughters, then you'll get God so angry that he'll "destroy thee suddenly." 7:4

# God prefers the Israelites to everyone else. It's not that he's prejudiced, he just like them better. 7:6

# Destroy the altars, images, and places of worship of those with different religions. 7:5

# God will kill those who hate him. 7:10

# God's favorite people will never be infertile (neither will their cows!) and will never get sick. (God will send infertility and diseases on the other guys.) 7:14-15

# God commands his people to "consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity on them." 7:16

# God orders the destruction of all other places of worship. 12:2-3

# Kill those of other faiths. Reject their beliefs and do not learn about them. 12:30

# Prophets and dreamers are to be executed if they say or dream the wrong things. 13:1-5

# If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tries to get you to worship another god, "thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death." If Bible-believers followed this one, they would have to kill many of their own family and friends. 13:6-10

# If you hear of a city where another god is worshiped, then destroy everyone in the city (even the cattle) and burn it down. (Watch out Salt Lake!) 13:12-16

# Kill everyone who has religious beliefs that are different from your own. 17:2-7

# Anyone who will not listen to a priest or a judge must be executed. 17:12-13

# Wizards, witches, astrologers, and new age folks are all "an abomination unto the Lord." 18:10-12

# False prophets are to be (you guessed it) executed. How do you know who is a false prophet? By whether or not their predictions come true. (Watch out Jehovah's Witnesses!) 18:20

# God won't let bastards attend church. Neither can the sons or daughters of bastards "even to the tenth generation." So if you plan to attend church next Sunday be ready to prove that your genitals are intact and don't forget your birth certificate and genealogical records for at least the last ten generations. Don't laugh. This stuff is important to God. 23:2

# No Moabite will ever be allowed into the congregation of the Lord. 23:3, 6

# God commands the Israelites to "blot out the rembrance of Amalek from under heaven." A few hundred years later God orders Saul to kill of the Amalekites "both man and woman, infant and suckling." (1 Sam.15:2-3) 25:19

# "And the Lord will put all these curses upon thine enemies." See Dt.28:16-64 for some of the curses God has in mind. 30:7
Joshua

# Keep yourselves from "the accursed thing". Whatever that is. But be sure to save all the silver and gold for God! 6:18-19

# If you happen to see "the accursed thing," don't touch it. If you do, you, your family, and all of your animals must be burned. 7:15

# "And Joshua ... took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his sheep... And all of Israel stoned them with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." This is because Achan "took of the accursed thing" -- whatever that means. But why would God require that Achan's sons and daughters (and even his animals) be stoned to death along with him? The Bible doesn't say. But it does tell us that "the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger" when Achan, his children, and his animals were stoned to death and their dead bodies burned. This story tells us about the loving kindness of the biblical God. 7:24-16

# "When ye have taken the city [Ai] ... ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD. 8:8

# Joshua and his army, per God's instructions, slaughter "all the inhabitants of Ai." 8:22-26

# "For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly." Notice that God hardens their hearts so that he can have an excuse to kill them. 11:20

# God is jealous and will never forgive you for your sins. And if you worship other gods, "He will turn and do you hurt, and consume you." 24:19-20
Judges

# God gets angry when the Israelites reject him and decide to worship other Gods. 2:12
1 Kings

# Note that Solomon is told to stay away from foreign women. Why? Because they have different ("strange") religious beliefs, and God disapproves of mixed-faith marriages. 11:2

# Elijah orders the people to kill all prophets of Baal. 18:40

# Naboth is stoned to death for blaspheming god and the king. 21:13

# Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
2 Kings

# Ahaziah was sick and sent messengers to Baalzebub to ask if he would recover. God was jealous of the attention given to his competitor and tells Ahaziah that he will die for asking the wrong god. 1:4, 17

# Jehu shows off his zeal for the Lord by murdering "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria, till he had destroyed him according to the word of the Lord." 10:16-17

# Jehu lied to the followers of Baal so that he could trap and kill them. 10:19

# Jehu, when he finishes his animal sacrifices, orders his men to "Go in, and slay them, let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword." 10:25

# God is greatly pleased with all of Jehu's killings, saying "because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart [Jehu murdered them all], thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel." 10:30

# Destroy the religious buildings of those of other faiths and kill their ministers. 11:18

# God sent lions to devour the foreigners in Samaria because "they feared not the Lord," and even worse "they knew not the manner of the God of the land." Well that'll teach them about God's manners. 17:25-26

# Josiah, apparently with God's approval, kills "all the priests of the high places" and sacrifices them to God on their altars. Note that this is a guy who "did what was right in the eyes of the Lord" (2 Kg.22:2). 23:20
2 Chronicles

# Whoever that does not seek the God of Israel should be executed. 15:13

# Hate the sinner -- or God will pour his wrath out on you. 19:2
Ezra

# The Israelites offend God by "taking" foreign wives and thereby corrupting "the holy seed." 9:2

# Ezra tells the men that they must abandon their wives and children if they are to avoid God's wrath. 10:2-3, 10-12
Nehemiah

# Nehemiah rebukes the men for marrying "strange wives." To punish them he "contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair." 13:25-27
Psalms

# God will hit heathens with a rod of iron and "dash them in pieces." 2:8

# Christians often say that one should love the sinner but hate the sin. Perhaps, but God hates sinners and plans to destroy them. 5:5-6

# Atheists are fools who never do anything good. 14:1, 53:1

# The Psalmist praises God for driving out and afflicting "the heathen" with his own hand. 44:2

# The Psalmist asks God to kill all "the heathen" and not show them any mercy. 59:5

# God will laugh at the heathen as he kills them. 59:8

# A prayer for God to kill those who don't know him. 79:6

# The psalmist excels at hating. He hates people with a "perfect hatred." 139:19-22
Isaiah

# No astrologer, stargazer, or prognosticator will be able to save those that God plans to burn to death. 47:13-14

# "God's servants" will have it good; everyone else will suffer big time. 63:13-16
Jeremiah

# The worshipping of other gods is called wickedness. 1:16

# Those who don't follow or know God are "poor" and "foolish." 5:4

# God will kill those who believe and preach the wrong doctrines. 5:12-13

# God "will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts" because they refuse to do whatever the hell he asks them to do. 6:19

# God says that there are some people that you just shouldn't bother praying for. And if you do he won't listen anyway. 7:16

# God is angered by children who gather wood, fathers who make fires, and women that make bread for the "queen of heaven" (Mary?) and other gods. 7:18

# Don't trust anyone. Not even your neighbors, family, or friends. Those who believe differently than you are all liars and evil doers. 9:4-6

# "Learn not from the heathen." 10:2

# Jeremiah prays for the destruction of the people that don't call on God's name. 10:25

# Those who don't follow the Old Testament laws are cursed by God. 11:3

# God will break those who worship other gods as though they were made of clay, killing so many that there will not be enough room to bury them all. 19:11-13

# If any nation does not listen to God, he "will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation." 12:17

# Worshipping other gods "is good for nothing." 13:10

# God will kill children if their parents worship other gods. 16:10-11

# God will enslave the people of Judah because they worshipped the wrong gods. 17:4

# Jeremiah asks God to bring evil upon his enemies and to "destroy them with double destruction." 17:18

# For worshipping "other gods, whom neither they nor their fathers have known," God will make parents eat their own children, and friends each other. Then he'll feed whoever's left over to the birds.

# If you don't honor the Sabbath, God will burn you to death unquenchable fire. 17:28

# God will break those who worship other gods as though they were made of clay, killing so many that there will not be enough room to bury them all. 19:11-13

# God will kill those who refuse listen to his prophets. 29:19
Ezekiel

# God is jealous of people's attention on idols, so he says these idols and altars will be destroyed and the people will pay for their "abominations." 6:4-9

# God again promises to destroy those that dare worship something or someone other than him. 14:6-8

# God planned to "pour out [his] fury" on the Hebrews in Egypt for worshipping idols or other gods. 20:7-10

# "The day ... of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen." God plans to wipe out the heathen. When? Soon. Really soon. 30:3

# God's got a hardcore grudge against the "uncircumcised." 32:21-32

# Worshipping idols and other gods is "detestable." 37:23

# God will not allow any uncircumcised foreigners into the sanctuary and, for any priests who worshipped idols, God will lift his "hand against them, ... and they shall bear their iniquity." 44:9-13
Daniel

# Nebuchadnezzar, after first trying to burn to death the three Hebrews, now decrees that everyone who says anything against the Hebrew god "shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill." This is an example of the loving kindness and tolerance that supernatural belief inspires in humans. 3:29

# King Darius makes a decree, "that in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel." 6:26
Hosea

# It's not clear in the KJV, but "people" and "strangers" are translated as "aliens" and "foreigners" in other versions. This would mean part of the reason for Ephraim's bloody fate is association with other races. 7:8-9

# Because the Samaritans chose to worship another deity, God promises to dash their infants to pieces and their "women with child shall be ripped up." 13:16
Amos

# God promises to destroy those who worship other gods. 7:9

# God will eliminate anyone who prays to a different god on the day of his wrath. 8:14
Obadiah

# God will take care of the heathen. "They shall be as though they had not been." 16
Micah

# Other cultures' religious beliefs and symbols are associated with prostitutes, and should be destroyed. 1:7

# God will strengthen the Israelites so they can "beat in pieces many peoples" and give the booty to God. 4:13

# "Burn more witches! Destroy the images of gods who aren't me!" sayeth the Lord. 5:12-13
Zephaniah

# God will "cut off" all those who "have not sought the Lord" or who worship another god.1:4-6

# God "will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel."1:8

# God doesn't have night-vision, so he needs candles when he comes to punish these people that say, "The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil": atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, etc. 1:12
Zechariah

# God will "smite the heathen" with a plague. 14:18
Malachi

# God hates the Edomites, and his hatred will last forever. 1:4
Matthew

# Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

# "the children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

# Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

# "Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." 10:33

# Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

# Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 12:30

# Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

# Jesus refuses to heal the Canaanite (Mk.7:26 says she was Greek) woman's possessed daughter, saying "it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs." 15:22-26

# The ever-so-kind Jesus calls the Pharisees "hypocrites, wicked, and adulterous." 15:2-3

# Jesus condemns the Jews for being "the children of them which killed the prophets." 23:31

# This verse blames the Jews for the death of Jesus and has been used to justify their persecution for twenty centuries. 27:25
Mark

# Jesus becomes angry at those who said that he had "an unclean spirit," so he announces the unforgivable sin: "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost." 3:29

# Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

# Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. 7:25-29

# Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
Luke

# Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9

# Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 11:23

# God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47

# In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words of Jesus: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
John

# People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36

# The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

# John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the Jews persecuted Jesus and "sought to slay him." 5:16, 18

# John says that Jesus "would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." 7:1

# No one could speak openly about Jesus "for fear of the Jews." 7:13

# Jesus says we must believe in him or we will "die in our sins." 8:24

# Jesus calls his opponents (the Jews) the sons of the devil. 8:44

# Once again, "the Jews" are accused of trying to kill Jesus. 11:8

# If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48

# John blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 19:7, 12, 14-15

# Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

# John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says tht the disciples hid in locked room "for fear of the Jews." 20:19
Acts

# Peter blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 3:14-15

# Peter wrongly claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all nonchristians) must be killed. 3:23

# God will torture forever those who don't know the password to heaven. 4:12

# Once again, Peter accuses the Jews of murdering Jesus. 5:30

# Stephen blames the Jews for persecuting the prophets and murdering Jesus. 7:51-52

# After Saul "increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews," the "Jews took counsel to kill him." 9:22-23

# The Jews are again blamed for the death of Jesus. 10:39

# Herod beheads James the brother of John and imprisons Peter "because he saw it pleased the Jews." 12:1-3

# Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11

# The Jews of Antioch, after seeing Paul's success in preaching, were envious and blasphemed God. Paul then declares them to be "unworthy of everlasting life." 13:45-46

# Once again "the Jews stirred up" trouble and "raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts." 13:50

# "The unbelieving Jews" stir up trouble again for Paul and incite the people to try to stone him to death. 14:2-5

# In Thesssalonica, "the Jews which believed not, moved with envy" stir up trouble for Paul and his friends. 17:5

# The Jews hate the word of God and are always just stirring up trouble. 17:13

# "And when they [the Jews of Corinth] opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he [Paul] shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads." (Have a nice day?) 18:6

# "The Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat." 18:12

# Poor Paul complains, once again, of being mistreated by "the Jews." 20:19

# The Jews, once again, incite the people to kill poor old Paul 21:27, 31

# The Jews form a grand conspiracy to kill Paul. They vow not to eat until the job is done. 23:12-15

# Claudius saves Paul from being killed by the Jews. 23:27

# Those pesky Jews caught Paul and and tried to kill him. But he got away. Darn! 26:21
Romans

# "The wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 1:18

# Paul claims that the existence and nature of God is self-evident; thus, unbelievers are "without excuse." 1:20

# With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28

# Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" and should be killed. 1:31-32

# "He that doubteth is damned ... Whosoever is not of faith is sin." 14:23

# Shun those who disagree with your religious views. 16:17
1 Corinthians

# "Put away from among yourselves that wicked person." 5:9-11

# Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10

# Those who don't love Jesus are to be "anathema" (damned). 16:22

# Gentiles sacrifice to devils. If you have gentile friends, then you are friends with devils. 10:20
2 Corinthians

# "The god of this world" has blinded the minds of nonbelievers. 4:3-4

# Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. 6:14-17

# Christians cannot be freethinkers, since all their thoughts and imaginings must be brought into captivity in obedience to Christ. 10:5
Galatians

# Those who disagree with Paul's religious views are damned. 1:8-9

# Those who try to follow the law are cursed 3:10

# "I would they were even cut off which trouble you." Gosh, that doesn't sound very nice. But I wonder what Paul meant by "cut off". The New Revised Standard Version translates this verse as: "I wish those who unsettle you would castrate themselves!" 5:12

# Witches, idol worshippers, and heretics will not go to heaven. (Guess where they'll be going.) 5:20-21
Philippians

# Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. 2:10-11

# "Beware of dogs ... beware of the concision." I'm not sure who Paul is calling "dogs" here. Some say he is referring to Jews -- to those of "the concision", as opposed to Christians, who are of the "true circumcision". In any case, Paul is expressing hostility and intolerance toward his fellow human beings. 3:2
1 Thessalonians

# Paul accuses "the Jews" of killing Jesus, persecuting the prophets, displeasing God, and being "contrary to all men." He concludes that the wrath of God will "come upon them to the uttermost. 2:14-16
2 Thessalonians

# Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9

# God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12

# Those who disagree with Paul are to be shunned. 3:6, 14
1 Timothy

# Paul delivered Hymenaeus and Alexander unto Satan so "that they might learn not to blaspheme." Apparently (see 2 Tim.2:16-18 and 4:14-15) their "blasphemy" was disagreeing with Paul. 1:20

# Paul advises his followers to stay away from those who discuss important matters -- especially if they disagree with him. 6:1

# Paul advises his followers to stay away from those who discuss important matters -- especially if they disagree with him. 6:1

# Paul instructs Timothy to avoid science, especially that which disagrees with him ("science falsely so called"). Other versions translate this phrase as "false knowledge", which may be more correct. However many fundamentalist Christians still use this verse ("science falsely so called") to justify their rejection of any idea, scientific or otherwise, they believe contradicts the bible. 6:20
2 Timothy

# "If we deny him [Jesus], he will deny us." Fair is fair! 2:12

# Paul condemns Hymenaeus and Philetus for disagreeing with him about the timing of the resurrection. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.4:14-15) 2:16-18

# "The Lord knoweth them that are his." This verse was used by the Catholic Church during the inquisition to justify killing those suspected of heresy. (Kill them all, for `the Lord knows them that are His'." ) 2:19

# Paul says that God will bring evil on Alexander the coppersmith. Why? Well, because Alexander did Paul "much evil." He even blasphemed by disagreeing with Paul. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.2:16-18) 4:15
Titus

# To Paul, Jews are unruly liars "whose mouths must be stopped." 1:10-11

# According to Paul, the people of Crete are "always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies." 1:12

# Heretics are to be rejected since they are subverted, sinners, and condemned by God. 3:10-11
Hebrews

# Every skeptic and nonbeliever has "an evil heart of unbelief." 3:12

# It is impossible for fallen-away Christians to be saved. (Didn't the author know about confession or the finality of being saved?) 6:4-6

# Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29

# If you don't believe the same things as the author of Hebrews, then it's impossible to please God. 11:6
James

# Whoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God. 4:4
1 Peter

# Things may get rough for Christians, but it will really be hell for nonbelievers. 4:17-18
2 Peter

# The basic message of Christianity is "believe or be damned" and from this flows intolerance toward all nonchristians. But, as these verses show, Christian intolerance is often directed toward believers as well. Each group of Christians accuses the others of being "false teachers" of "damnable heresies" who will soon be damned to hell. 2:1-3

# God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
1 John

# "Love not the world." Stay away from those who believe differently than you. 2:15

# Every nonchristian is liar and an antichrist. 2:22, 4:2-3

# Christians are alive; nonchristans are dead. 5:12

# Christians are "of God;" everyone else is wicked. 5:19
2 John

# The nonchristian is "a deceiver and an antichrist." 1:7

# "Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." 1:9

# Don't associate with nonchristians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 1:10
Jude

# Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don't believe in him. 1:5
Revelation

# False Jews are members of "the synagogue of Satan." 2:9

# God will make "the synagogue of Satan [that would be the Jews] ... come and worship before thy feet." (Whose feet? Well, the feet of Christians, of course!) 3:9

# God's favorites just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. 6:10-11

# 144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4

# All liars, as well as sorcerers, idolaters, and those who are fearful or unbelieving will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8


christains arent told to to kill every believer they see, or go to a religious war. they are told to witness to them and spread the "good news". if someone rejects it, thats there choice, god gives us the free will.

in the old testament, there was no jesus. people were sinning, and there was nothing to pay for the cost of sinning. with that, god would become very angry with an unrepentant sinner. notice how he always showed mercy with repentant sinners, such as david, and moses, and adam and eve. so there was literal judgement on sinners back in those days. today, we have jesus who paid for it all. and instead of being judged here and now, we are to be judged on the day of judgement.


Posted by St_Andrew on Dec-20-2004 22:59:

quote:
Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
christains arent told to to kill every believer they see, or go to a religious war.


and muslims are?


Posted by Krypton on Dec-20-2004 23:14:

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
and muslims are?


have u ever read one page of koran?? show me one verse in the bible explicitly instructing the reader to wage wars against unbelievers in christianity.


Posted by ogvh5150 on Dec-21-2004 05:02:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
For the record, Christianity HAS already merged with other religions. Consider the practices of European pagans and how we still observe them today (Christmas, Halloween, etc.).

Or in South America, where traditional practices are allowed within Catholicism.

Christianity is tolerant, perhaps too tolerant.


Your confusing religion with Christianity.

Religion assimilated Christianity to make it more mainstream alongside religion. Not the other way around.

The Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge (religion) was more pleasing to the eye than the Fruit of the Tree of Life (faith).

quote:
Originally posted by St_Andrew
oh, so you cant find that in the bible

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html


Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.


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