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How Much for the Clone?
Wired News Report

Story location: http://www.wired.com/news/technolog...2,66131,00.html

12:14 PM Dec. 23, 2004 PT

The first cloned-to-order pet sold in the United States is named Little Nicky, a 9-week-old kitten delivered to a Texas woman saddened by the loss of a cat she had owned for 17 years.

The kitten cost its owner $50,000 and was created from DNA from her beloved cat, named Nicky, who died last year.

Yet while Little Nicky frolics in his new home, the kitten's creation and sale has reignited fierce ethical and scientific debate over cloning technology, which is rapidly advancing.

Commercial interests already are cloning prized cattle for about $20,000 each, and scientists have cloned mice, rabbits, goats, pigs, horses -- and even the endangered banteng, a wild bull that is found mostly in Indonesia.

Cloning a cat? What's wrong with people nowadays? Clone a relative! It would live longer and eat more. Wait, did I just call a clone an "it"? Am I wrong? Are the clones consider people too or will be consider people too? To me, with the little knowledge I have, clones are things. Things that are not wroth $50,000.

Not only do you know little about clones you know little about spelling words correctly. "wroth" worth.

OMFG, don't start over one word, first of all and second of all, who cares he mad a good funny post, lol. Clones in my opinion are things beceause they can't possibly have a soul and be the same person because that person is GONE you know what i mean? Also the clone grows up different from the original unless every aspect and every event in the original's life is duplicated which is impossible, literally. The cat is kinda a cool idea provided he doesn't turn into an evil gremlin once he touches water :P

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Originally posted by ierxium Cloning a cat? What's wrong with people nowadays? Clone a relative! It would live longer and eat more. Wait, did I just call a clone an "it"? Am I wrong? Are the clones consider people too or will be consider people too? To me, with the little knowledge I have, clones are things. Things that are not wroth $50,000.

the major backside with cloning is not that the person will be an it (they wont), but that the diversity of the race will be smaller and that the evolution will stop.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew the major backside with cloning is not that the person will be an it (they wont), but that the diversity of the race will be smaller and that the evolution will stop.

Cloning technology will probably lead to DNA engineering in the far future (I know they do it on vegetables and such, but would probably be 'slightly' more complicated on animals and humans) which could steer evolution in whatever way we'd see fit, kinda like that crappy movive... what was it called? gattica?


Anyway, cloning a frigin' pet is really a waste of the technology in my opinion. Just get a new cat that kinda looks like the old one, and give it the same name if you have to. Personally I think there's nothing wrong with cloning endangered species (First time i've heard of that), since their extinction is our fault, might as well try and fix it ourselves.

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Originally posted by x-filer Not only do you know little about clones you know little about spelling words correctly. "wroth" worth.

It would take a wiser person than me to point that out. I'm guessing that's you. So please inform me on all you know about cloning, specially everything relating to ethics. And about the typing error, I apologize, I know a typing error like the one I made can lead some people into confusion. But I'm glad you figured out what I was trying to say.

Without any relevent biological knowledge, I am pretty confident in suggesting that anything cloned (animals, plants, humans) will not be a "thing" but whatever it was they were cloned from. A cloned human will be, funnily enuf, a human

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Clones in my opinion are things beceause they can't possibly have a soul

A soul eh? Didn't get taught about them in biology class! Tell me, was that statement based on scientific information, or did you just make it up from your own religious experiences?

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Originally posted by George Smiley A soul eh? Didn't get taught about them in biology class! Tell me, was that statement based on scientific information, or did you just make it up from your own religious experiences?

Lol, I think cloning should be proof to people of the fact that there's no such thing as a soul

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer Cloning technology will probably lead to DNA engineering in the far future (I know they do it on vegetables and such, but would probably be 'slightly' more complicated on animals and humans) which could steer evolution in whatever way we'd see fit, kinda like that crappy movive... what was it called? gattica?

what would really be wrong in DNA engineering? as long as we understnad what we are doing (which im not sure if we will ever but oh well) i dont have any problem whatsoever with it.

and gattica is flawed imo

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Originally posted by St_Andrew what would really be wrong in DNA engineering? as long as we understnad what we are doing (which im not sure if we will ever but oh well) i dont have any problem whatsoever with it. and gattica is flawed imo

never got into that movie since I was breaking up with my girlfriend during it... but that's a different story

I personally think there is nothing wrong with it as well. I agree that the technology might be very far ahead of our times, but if we could ever do it, it could end all disease and increase our life expectancy and quality. Of course, it will probably only be available for the wealthy and end up screwing middle and lower classes over, and i guess genetic prejudice would follow, since the elite are so tolerant.

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Originally posted by George Smiley Without any relevent biological knowledge, I am pretty confident in suggesting that anything cloned (animals, plants, humans) will not be a "thing" but whatever it was they were cloned from. A cloned human will be, funnily enuf, a human A soul eh? Didn't get taught about them in biology class! Tell me, was that statement based on scientific information, or did you just make it up from your own religious experiences?

Gee it's funny how little you know. Did you read anything after the soul part? If you don't believe in souls then you believe in physical and not the metaphysical therefore, you blieve in the inherent human trait. That is, improvement and progression. If you clone something it does not posses memories or anything else from the original subject's prior years, hence therefore; the clone will be nothing like the original because it wouldn't go through the same struggles, hardships, and just plain events like the original and will not progress to become the same person but rather a plain genetical copy...much like a twin...nothing more.

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra Gee it's funny how little you know. Did you read anything after the soul part? If you don't believe in souls then you believe in physical and not the metaphysical therefore, you blieve in the inherent human trait. That is, improvement and progression. If you clone something it does not posses memories or anything else from the original subject's prior years, hence therefore; the clone will be nothing like the original because it wouldn't go through the same struggles, hardships, and just plain events like the original and will not progress to become the same person but rather a plain genetical copy...much like a twin...nothing more.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

What the hell do you think a clone is?!

(A cloned human would be created by a cell from a human, it would be biologically identical, BIOLOGICALLY, it would start off life as all humans...as two cells which turn into a baby, and from there it grows up however it grows up)

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer Personally I think there's nothing wrong with cloning endangered species (First time i've heard of that), since their extinction is our fault, might as well try and fix it ourselves.

The problem is working with a limited gene pool. Less diversity in a gene pool leads to a greater chance of mutations or defects. It would be cool, but there are more risks involved.

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra the clone will be nothing like the original

wtf? so a clone would be nothing like its original? just like a twin would be nothing like its twin sister/brother? the genes would be exactly the same, experiences do change things, but the genes also play a very important role and the clone would be very much like its original, although not exactly the same.

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Originally posted by George Smiley LMFAO!!!!!!!!! What the hell do you think a clone is?! (A cloned human would be created by a cell from a human, it would be biologically identical, BIOLOGICALLY, it would start off life as all humans...as two cells which turn into a baby, and from there it grows up however it grows up)

and what do you think a soul of person is? LMAO IT HAS NOTHING
NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION in terms of feelings and motives and understanding of society. Bioligcly is one thing the clone wouldn't anything like the original by the way he acts and shit. Genes mean nothing if you clone your girlfriend or wife and wait X ammount of years till she becomes you girl's age she will be alike in a very few ways.

http://edition.cnn.com/CNNI/Program..._techwatch.html

I can understand why someone would want to have their pet cloned after its dead but I don't think it makes much sense to. Its not going to be a carbon copy of the pet, the only thing that would be the same is the genetic-makeup. It won't even look exactly the same because the fur coloration will be different. So why go to all that trouble when you can just get another freakin cat?

In other debate, do animals have emotions?

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra and what do you think a soul of person is? LMAO IT HAS NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION in terms of feelings and motives and understanding of society. Bioligcly is one thing the clone wouldn't anything like the original by the way he acts and shit. Genes mean nothing if you clone your girlfriend or wife and wait X ammount of years till she becomes you girl's age she will be alike in a very few ways.

Thats what he said. . .

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra and what do you think a soul of person is? LMAO IT HAS NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION in terms of feelings and motives and understanding of society. Bioligcly is one thing the clone wouldn't anything like the original by the way he acts and shit. Genes mean nothing if you clone your girlfriend or wife and wait X ammount of years till she becomes you girl's age she will be alike in a very few ways.

Who exactly, is claiming a clone will be mentally identical to the original?!

regardless of that, this lady should be shot for cloning her cat for 50k, if she was my grandma id give her some words for takin 50k away from my inheritance so she could clone her fn cat... she thinks like she drives.. old and stupid

ITS A CAT BUY A NEW ONE FOR FREE

If a person isn't mentally the same as the original why would you clone him/her, imbecile?! YOU WILL NOT GET THE SAME PERSON BACK. NOT talking about animals. And for 50 thousand I can buy a fucking lion not some retarded cat.

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra If a person isn't mentally the same as the original why would you clone him/her, imbecile?! YOU WILL NOT GET THE SAME PERSON BACK. NOT talking about animals. And for 50 thousand I can buy a fucking lion not some retarded cat.

Why would you clone somebody (something) if it weren't mentally identical? Well, for a start, so we can smoke as many fags as we want and have two perfectly compatable lungs ready to be donated to us when we are diagnosed with lung cancer...

There are hundreds of reasons why we may want to clone people, and none of them are probably for the reasons you think (to make somebody mentally identical which anyone can work out is impossible anyway) So, why dont you do a search on the internet and look at why people want to clone people, you may even be able to find a really short article that explains it very slowly if your lucky!

Google a clone..give it ten years..whip your credit card out..send off your dna..dont know how they will deliver though..probably fed ex

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Originally posted by George Smiley Why would you clone somebody (something) if it weren't mentally identical? Well, for a start, so we can smoke as many fags as we want and have two perfectly compatable lungs ready to be donated to us when we are diagnosed with lung cancer... There are hundreds of reasons why we may want to clone people, and none of them are probably for the reasons you think (to make somebody mentally identical which anyone can work out is impossible anyway) So, why dont you do a search on the internet and look at why people want to clone people, you may even be able to find a really short article that explains it very slowly if your lucky!

theres a difference between cloning parts of people and cloning a whole person

Animals have emotions. But those emotions are not the same as those of humans.

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