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producers/remixers who are boring because they don't vary their sound

for me PUSH ..

I really like some of their productions, e.g. journey of life, tranceformation BUT at the same time their tracks sound so boring because the tracks have almost all the same structure and melody.. This is also the reason why I haven't bought their album! On one hand I think it is good to have a unique sound, but using always the same samples gets really really boring in some time. IMO many Djs get unpopular because of this (I think of F. Corsten right now)..

the album is actually very good, you should check it out.

a remixer is naturally a producer by default..

I was just thinking MIKE (aka Push, one guy). I've heard countless productions of his under countless aliases, and they all are just a bit too similar. And I don't give a crap about his work as Artist X, I've never heard it and I doubt I ever will.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I was just thinking MIKE (aka Push, one guy). I've heard countless productions of his under countless aliases, and they all are just a bit too similar. And I don't give a crap about his work as Artist X, I've never heard it and I doubt I ever will.

you're a weak nigga

Probspot
Envio
Sonicvibe
Ronald Van Gelderen


There are however some dj/s producers who've had spells using similar sounds etc & been very succesful off it, tiesto's sound that was in most of the magikal tunes, Ferry's bassline that was evident in most 99/00 stuff etc. It's not a case of some sounds being boring, its the quality in the finish of the track what makes it good or bad

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Originally posted by Ian^ Probspot Envio Sonicvibe Ronald Van Gelderen There are however some dj/s producers who've had spells using similar sounds etc & been very succesful off it, tiesto's sound that was in most of the magikal tunes, Ferry's bassline that was evident in most 99/00 stuff etc. It's not a case of some sounds being boring, its the quality in the finish of the track what makes it good or bad

+1

also add Luke Chable and James Holden to the second successfull list

Chable, Gabriel & Dresden, Probspot...

All too obvious.

Ron van den Beuken

I agree on Push. But still he is a brilliant producer and responsible for some awesome tracks.
For Ferry I do not agree, I think Ferry varies his sound more than Armin van Buuren.

probspot!
i really like some of his productions/remixes but at the end, they all sounds very similar!

i have to disagree on push, imo he is one of the few persons who chooses to replace his sounds every time. The thing that remains is his style, but styles never change. The only style that changes is Tiesto's style, but that has got more to do with the person he chooses to create his next track for him.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I was just thinking MIKE (aka Push, one guy). I've heard countless productions of his under countless aliases, and they all are just a bit too similar. And I don't give a crap about his work as Artist X, I've never heard it and I doubt I ever will.

So basically, you say everything he does sounds the same, but if there are productions that sound completely different (and thereby completely undermining what you claim), you don't want to know? Pretty short-sighted if you ask me, and not to mention contradictory and...well...plain pathetic

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Originally posted by Jasperovitsj So basically, you say everything he does sounds the same, but if there are productions that sound completely different (and thereby completely undermining what you claim), you don't want to know? Pretty short-sighted if you ask me, and not to mention contradictory and...well...plain pathetic

Shut up fanboy. I'm not going out of my way to prove myself wrong about Push. If he's only ever varied his sound on a couple of obscure records, it doesn't count, because he's still made about a hundred other records that do sound the same and that's all non-fans will know. And, to be honest, I doubt anything he's done sounds very different to his trademark template.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Shut up fanboy. I'm not going out of my way to prove myself wrong about Push. If he's only ever varied his sound on a couple of obscure records, it doesn't count, because he's still made about a hundred other records that do sound the same and that's all non-fans will know. And, to be honest, I doubt anything he's done sounds very different to his trademark template.

Impressive discussion skills, your arguments are so valid and well-thought. "It doesn't count" because you say it doesn't...

Anyway, I'm not gonna deny that a ;ot of Mike-stuff sounds similar, but there's still something like a typical producer-style. And if you took the time to actually listen to some of those so-called obscure records, you'd find that there are more than just a few tracks that sound different from what he usually does. This really pisses me off you know, people ranting about "Everything he does sounds the same", while they in fact don't know half of what he's effectively done...

BTW, if I follow your way of thought, same things goes for Ferry, Tiesto, Armin,... heck, for almost any existing producer!?

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Originally posted by Jasperovitsj Impressive discussion skills, your arguments are so valid and well-thought. "It doesn't count" because you say it doesn't... Anyway, I'm not gonna deny that a ;ot of Mike-stuff sounds similar, but there's still something like a typical producer-style. And if you took the time to actually listen to some of those so-called obscure records, you'd find that there are more than just a few tracks that sound different from what he usually does. This really pisses me off you know, people ranting about "Everything he does sounds the same", while they in fact don't know half of what he's effectively done... BTW, if I follow your way of thought, same things goes for Ferry, Tiesto, Armin,... heck, for almost any existing producer!?

No. My favourite producers altered their style significantly over their career. And the reason I single Push out among trance producers is he makes loads of records under loads of aliases, all sounding the same. Why not just stick to being MIKE, rather than Push/Plastic Boy/Solar Factor/whatever.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J No.My favourite producers altered their style significantly over their career.

Being?

The Prodigy, Leftfield, The Future Sound of London, The KLF.

But, if we're talking trance, Ferry Corsten has changed his style from epic/anthem trance to electro-tinged trance, Tiesto has gone from uplifting to tech-trance, Mauro Picotto has covered almost every style of trance before going to full-time techno.

NuNRG (sooooo damn boring), Signum, BK (excellent producer though), PvD, Gabriel n Dresden, andain, Randy Katana, Cosmic Gate all are guilty of this but most are still damn good producers.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The Prodigy, Leftfield, The Future Sound of London, The KLF.

I agree. Ya just can't say those producers you named there haven't changed their style. I mean, come on, Leftfield... they had influences from all sorts of genres on one album.

If you are a true MIKE fan, you can hear the changes and different nuances between all of his aliases. To the average person who has only recently stumbled across MIKE, you will eventually see it too.

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Originally posted by Ory I agree. Ya just can't say those producers you named there haven't changed their style. I mean, come on, Leftfield... they had influences from all sorts of genres on one album.

Yeah, look at the difference between Leftism and Rhythm & Stealth. The KLF went from producing trance to chill-out to stadium house in 5 years. The Prodigy haven't produced two tracks that sound the same, and FSOL have gone from old-skool rave, through ambient, into some techno and are now doing weird psychedelic chill-out stuff. I think I can safely say none of those artists can ever be accused of producing records that sound the same.

Good artists who've changed sounds several times:
Oliver Lieb
Susumu Yokota
Eat Static

Good artists who've had mostly the same sound for a long time:
Carl Craig
Larry Heard
Plaid

Artists whose style changed but got worse I think after the fact:
Sven V�th
Commander Tom
Pascal F.E.O.S.


For example. Bored.

I agree on Push, most of his tracks do sound kinda the same, tho there are some positive examples. i love his remix of ayu - connected for example. also the armin vs. m.i.k.e. doesn't sound very push-y too

as for the thread u'd have to name "producers" like pulsedriver, rocco, a.s.o. but i suppose that's not meant here, so here are my nominees

Blank & Jones (at least in the last time)
Ron van den Beuken
Antillas

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Originally posted by n0bben whoa. then i rather stick to the boring stuff, seeing what their "new styles" have brought us

Picotto has evolved in a good way

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