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Question about Iraqi casualties

Ok, so I have no idea what the number of Iraqi civilian casualties is right about now, since the US invaded, but I was thinking about this last night.

Once the number of Iraqi casualties exceeds the number of americans who died in the 9/11 attacks, do you think Iraq would have a viable reason to attack the US? I dont mean fight them in Iraq like they are doing now, but actually try to attack american soil (although that scenario is quite unlikely). One could argue (well, many ARE), that the US invasion is not that different from the terrorist acts that occured on 9/11.

Also, have you noticed how the war was the only thing on the news back in march, but now you wouldn't even know about it if you watched the news or read the paper. I guess once things started going wrong the US didn't want us to know about it as much or something...

Here this might help you out abit.

>>>link here<<<

ahhhh, damn
see, this is what happens when the media is controlled by the government...

ok, canada has to take over the US and fast

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer ok, canada has to take over the US and fast

What do the Iraqi casualties in Iraq have to do with Americans who died on 9/11 as the two aren't connected?

Also if you factor in how many Iraqis have died by Iraqi hands since the war, perhaps they should be attacking the militants in iraq instead of the US soldiers as the militants are intentionally killing innocent iraqis and the Americans are just trying to rebuild the country and get the hell out.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil What do the Iraqi casualties in Iraq have to do with Americans who died on 9/11 as the two aren't connected?

Would those Iraqis have died if those American's hadn't?

So far I have to say that 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq are similar in that both have accomplished absolutely nothing but causing more violence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Stor...1338749,00.html

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer So far I have to say that 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq are similar in that both have accomplished absolutely nothing but causing more violence.

No, they are different. 9/11 was against innocent American civilians going to work or walking down the street as a chunck of building fell on them. Iraq and Afgahanistan were offensives against the leadership of the nations. Our bombs are not perfect but intelligence and smart weapons reduces these casualities considerably.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance No, they are different. 9/11 was against innocent American civilians going to work or walking down the street as a chunck of building fell on them. Iraq and Afgahanistan were offensives against the leadership of the nations. Our bombs are not perfect but intelligence and smart weapons reduces these casualities considerably.

First of all, 10,000 civilians, or whatever the real figure is, is intollerable even if you kill 100,000 soldiers doing so. and secondly, was Iraq really offensive against the leadership of the states? what have they done since the Gulf war to provoke this war?

Tomer,

Should the USA not have attacked the Axis powers during WWII because more Germans/Italians/Japanese civilians died than did ally civilians?

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer First of all, 10,000 civilians, or whatever the real figure is, is intollerable even if you kill 100,000 soldiers doing so. and secondly, was Iraq really offensive against the leadership of the states? what have they done since the Gulf war to provoke this war?

Here is a quote from myself from the Invasion for oil thread:

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Even though he killed his own people (Kurds, Marsh Beduoins, etc. Even though he kicked out weapons inspectors. Even though he violated the First Iraqi War Treaty. Even though UN Resolution 1441 supported this, not just the USA Even though over 100,000 dead have been found Even though he bribed many European officals in the Oil For Food Program He was just a misunderstood nice guy.

That 100,000 dead have been found in mass graves and there are still more than need to be found. The guesses range from 500,000 to 1 million killed or disappeared in Saddam's regime.

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer Would those Iraqis have died if those American's hadn't? So far I have to say that 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq are similar in that both have accomplished absolutely nothing but causing more violence.

Perhaps it would have happened even without 9/11, we will never know because we are in a world in which 9/11 happened.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance Our bombs are not perfect but intelligence and smart weapons reduces these casualities considerably.

ya those bombs have a mind of their own too I heard!!

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Originally posted by Yoepus Tomer, Should the USA not have attacked the Axis powers during WWII because more Germans/Italians/Japanese civilians died than did ally civilians?

You can't compare this to WWII. And anyway, the US didn't do anything untill they suspected that Hitler might plan to attack them as well.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer ya those bombs have a mind of their own too I heard!!

Laser guided bombs have an accuracy of 1 to 2 meters deviation from the target. I say that is pretty accurate compared to a dumb bomb dropped from a plane.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance Here is a quote from myself from the Invasion for oil thread: That 100,000 dead have been found in mass graves and there are still more than need to be found. The guesses range from 500,000 to 1 million killed or disappeared in Saddam's regime.

So? Do you really think that after the US introduces democracy the Iraqis will have it any better? The Shiite (sp) majority will act the same way towards the Sunni's, and now maybe even Iran will get in on the action (Trancer-X's post).

The point is, the US invaded under false pretenses (WMD's), and are soon going to leave Iraq no better then when they entered. They will however make some good money from infrastructure work and whatnot, which of course is supplied by american companies.

Point is:

Big mess --> "Liberation" --> bigger mess --> US getting the hell out (with some extra money)

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer You can't compare this to WWII.

Why not?

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And anyway, the US didn't do anything untill they suspected that Hitler might plan to attack them as well.

So why did they attack the Italians? what did the Italians ever do to the Americans??

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Originally posted by Dj Tomer The point is, the US invaded under false pretenses (WMD's), and are soon going to leave Iraq no better then when they entered. They will however make some good money from infrastructure work and whatnot, which of course is supplied by american companies. Point is: Big mess --> "Liberation" --> bigger mess --> US getting the hell out (with some extra money)

Bad intel from the Americans. French, British, Russians, etc. So hindsight is 20/20. I think that American/UK/Polish?Other Nationals will be there for the long term. This will not be an in and out thing.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance Laser guided bombs have an accuracy of 1 to 2 meters deviation from the target. I say that is pretty accurate compared to a dumb bomb dropped from a plane.

Bottom line it kills people

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Bottom line it kills people

So do planes flying into buildings, bullets, bonbs, sharp glass, HIV, Minnesota Vikings fans, suicide bombers, missles, heart attacks, strokes, choking on a chicken wing, etc.

Dear Lord! Death will get us all!!

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance Dear Lord! Death will get us all!!

Ya go run run,terrorists are coming

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Ya go run run,terrorists are coming

"Runs to get his gun" Come and kill me you terrorist motherf***ers! I am going to take one with me!

(Hey, I am an American. I have a shit-load of guns in the basement to prepare for World War III. )

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Originally posted by Yoepus So why did they attack the Italians? what did the Italians ever do to the Americans??

well, they were allied with hitler, and japan for that matter, who actually attacked the US.

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Why not?

Saddam never attacked the US.
Saddam didnt kill near as many inocent people as Hitler, or even near as many as many dictators that is currently in power today.
Saddam wasnt a threat to the world.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Saddam never attacked the US. Saddam didnt kill near as many inocent people as Hitler, or even near as many as many dictators that is currently in power today. Saddam wasnt a threat to the world.

Funny thing is Bush qualifies for all the above

surprised at you yoepus..not knowing the italians were allied to the nazis..there are many famous photographs and film of mussolini and hitler giving the nazi salute together in italy

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