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Large Scale Professional Project

Please be aware that before I posted this, I did look for rules regarding such posts, but didn't come across any. If this type of post is prohibited, please delete it, as it could be considered a conflict of interests.

In the past few weeks, I�ve finally started to get a project off the ground that I�ve had in mind for a fairly long time. I�ve hired a few designers to come up with a logo for the project, along with someone to design and implement the backend of the web site.

The project, named Talk Trance (http://www.talktrance.com) is expected to be launched within January 2005, and will cater for the trance community. At the moment, we�re looking at such things as exclusive features, services to upcoming talent, but most importantly, a medium for trance followers to express their feelings and opinions on an endless variety of issues via a professional discussion community.

The business plan we�ve put together also accounts for a record label within 2005, if the project takes off as expected. So, as you can make out, we�re aiming high.

As it stands, we�re fairly thin on the ground regarding personnel, and that�s the purpose of this thread. If you�ve got a strong interest in trance, and feel that you�ll be able to bring something unique to the table, then please, contact us and we�ll see what we�re able to sort out.

If not, then please keep your eye on this project and hopefully we�ll provide content that you�ll be able to enjoy once we�ve launched.

You can contact the team on the following e-mail address � [email protected].

Thank you for your time.

i think there are too many people trying to set up more and more trance related projects like this. the scene isnt big enough for everyone to set up a successful record label and community devoted to trance, there is simply not enough interest.

Plus who cares about trance anymore? Trance is dead. Its all progressive nowdays! Get hacked.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle i think there are too many people trying to set up more and more trance related projects like this. the scene isnt big enough for everyone to set up a successful record label and community devoted to trance, there is simply not enough interest.

Mike,

We've done our research; hence we're now trying to take advantage of the opportunities that we've discovered.

It also depends on the quality of product that you�re putting out there - if the quality is excellent, that, in itself, will generate interest.

Give us a chance.

So in other words you have ideas but no one to make them reality?

I see you're building on a solid base there.

I'd help but I don't like the colours on the site, no black

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery So in other words you have ideas but no one to make them reality? I see you're building on a solid base there.

Sorry?

I don't see where I implied that.

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Originally posted by Rijs Sorry? I don't see where I implied that.

"As it stands, we�re fairly thin on the ground regarding personnel, and that�s the purpose of this thread."

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Originally posted by Ian^ I'd help but I don't like the colours on the site, no black

We're trying to differentiate from other sites, such as TA, that are currently very popular.

Mainly because if we tried to offer the same type of community, we wouldn't be able to compete with such established sites.

im not convinced this is a realistic project mate, simply because there are loads just like it already, and its not bringing anyone anything new, all it would be doing is splitting the already small comminity of trancers into lots of even smaller groups! if that makes sense.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery "As it stands, we�re fairly thin on the ground regarding personnel, and that�s the purpose of this thread."

When I say fairly thin on the ground, I'm not insinuating that we don't have talented individuals on board, because we do.

We're just looking for a helping hand, along with an idea or two.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle im not convinced this is a realistic project mate, simply because there are loads just like it already, and its not bringing anyone anything new, all it would be doing is splitting the already small comminity of trancers into lots of even smaller groups! if that makes sense.

That is a worry, but we're hoping to introduce innovative ideas to grasp the trance community. We believe that we're able to do just that.

Now, whether or not, in reality, we are, that's a risk we're going to have to take.

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Originally posted by Rijs That is a worry, but we're hoping to introduce innovative ideas to grasp the trance community. We believe that we're able to do just that. Now, whether or not, in reality, we are, that's a risk we're going to have to take.

well my suggestion is to come up with some innovative and original ideas which arent offered anywhere else before you get this going, because right now its nothing new, its a small scale trance addict with plans to start a record label... now really, who is going to use these boards when they have a well established site like trance addict? no one... because it offers nothing that trance addict doesnt. im sure you can think of something to make it different, something new, not just another place to talk about trance.. because seriously.. there are already way too many. to be honest with you it would be a waste of your money as far as im concerned. dont take this offensively its just my opinion, and its still cool of you to try and offer something to the trance community, i just dont think this is going to work.

I have to agree with Mike..every week on TA there is someone somewhere offering some sort of new service for trance fans im not so convinced that there are enough hardcore trance fans to populate all of these sites on a regular basis to make it a viable proposition..anyway i think most members here like it here on TA and will only be casual users of other sites if they even bother to register for membership at all..anyway only my tuppence worth..good luck with it anyway

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Originally posted by Rijs In the past few weeks, I�ve finally started to get a project off the ground that I�ve had in mind for a fairly long time. I�ve hired a few designers to come up with a logo for the project, along with someone to design and implement the backend of the web site.

Hired ?

Since when did posting a thread on Deviant Art's forums offering $50 as a competition prize to design a logo for your site become known as hiring designers ?

And don't be accusing us again of monitoring your net activities as u did to Swamper in the help redesign TA section of the forums, ppl that use TA's forums do use other sites and other forums.
I am a member of Deviant Art's forums and because of my interest in trance, your thread on there of course attracted my attention as it related to trance.

A lot of members on deviant art's forums are not exactly impressed with you either as can be seen by the replies in your thread there.

You are trying to come across as professional but instead you are showing yourself as someone trying to use other ppl's talents to make yourself look good.
I for one am not impressed with you, your site or your attitude on these forums or deviant art's forums.

I've not seen you make any sort of contribution to these forums, most of your posts have just been about getting your site off the ground.
The posts you made in the Help Redesign TA section were hardly contributory either as you expected monitery rewards for your design which judging by your attitude on deviant art, you prolly got the design from one of the members there, paid them $50 for as a winning entry in one of your comps and then expect to charge Swamper a fair bit more for.

The above is of course my conclusion and may not be accurate, but it would seem to me as if that would be the direction you would chose to take.

hhmmm that sort of puts a different complexion on things....

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Originally posted by Wicked Neo Hired ? Since when did posting a thread on Deviant Art's forums offering $50 as a competition prize to design a logo for your site become known as hiring designers ? And don't be accusing us again of monitoring your net activities as u did to Swamper in the help redesign TA section of the forums, ppl that use TA's forums do use other sites and other forums. I am a member of Deviant Art's forums and because of my interest in trance, your thread on there of course attracted my attention as it related to trance. A lot of members on deviant art's forums are not exactly impressed with you either as can be seen by the replies in your thread there. You are trying to come across as professional but instead you are showing yourself as someone trying to use other ppl's talents to make yourself look good. I for one am not impressed with you, your site or your attitude on these forums or deviant art's forums. I've not seen you make any sort of contribution to these forums, most of your posts have just been about getting your site off the ground. The posts you made in the Help Redesign TA section were hardly contributory either as you expected monitery rewards for your design which judging by your attitude on deviant art, you prolly got the design from one of the members there, paid them $50 for as a winning entry in one of your comps and then expect to charge Swamper a fair bit more for. The above is of course my conclusion and may not be accurate, but it would seem to me as if that would be the direction you would chose to take.

your being a bit harsh i think.. fair play for doing his bit.. if he offered a reward of $50 then at then end of the day hes hiring someone to do the art for him.. anyway good luck i hope stuff goes well but i think you need to take on board some of the points raised here

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Originally posted by Wicked Neo Hired ? Since when did posting a thread on Deviant Art's forums offering $50 as a competition prize to design a logo for your site become known as hiring designers ? And don't be accusing us again of monitoring your net activities as u did to Swamper in the help redesign TA section of the forums, ppl that use TA's forums do use other sites and other forums. I am a member of Deviant Art's forums and because of my interest in trance, your thread on there of course attracted my attention as it related to trance. A lot of members on deviant art's forums are not exactly impressed with you either as can be seen by the replies in your thread there. You are trying to come across as professional but instead you are showing yourself as someone trying to use other ppl's talents to make yourself look good. I for one am not impressed with you, your site or your attitude on these forums or deviant art's forums. I've not seen you make any sort of contribution to these forums, most of your posts have just been about getting your site off the ground. The posts you made in the Help Redesign TA section were hardly contributory either as you expected monitery rewards for your design which judging by your attitude on deviant art, you prolly got the design from one of the members there, paid them $50 for as a winning entry in one of your comps and then expect to charge Swamper a fair bit more for. The above is of course my conclusion and may not be accurate, but it would seem to me as if that would be the direction you would chose to take.

I don't have time to reply to every single point you've raised (although I will do later on today), but we've also hired three further vector designers to create a logo, because DA will not be able to cater for all of our needs.

Quickly, the response on DA has been nothing but positive within my 'contest'.

I look forward to responding to all of your points.

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Originally posted by zig hhmmm that sort of puts a different complexion on things....

Zig,

He has no idea what he's talking about regarding my situation.

I'll set him, and everyone else, straight later today.

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Originally posted by Rijs Zig, He has no idea what he's talking about regarding my situation. I'll set him, and everyone else, straight later today.

will that setting straight come with cake ?

Ill look forward to the cake and the reply..

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Originally posted by Rijs The project, named Talk Trance (http://www.talktrance.com) is expected to be launched within January 2005.

::Poops on Rij's Chest::

cheers

geez what coincedence.. I came across your posts in YaXay Forums, Deviant Arts and DI.Fm Forums becuase i'm a member in those forums mike..

Seriously i don't mind reading you promotion in YaXay (Design Offers, Sales, and Requests Forum) and Deviant Arts for that greens you offer.
Tell you the truth, i was a little intrested in it because i'm a GFX artist myself. But then i suddenly felt no confidence when i saw what's the people responce in Digitallyimported.Fm (actually there's no responce there) and specially Tranceaddict..

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Originally posted by Icesotope geez what coincedence.. I came across your posts in YaXay Forums, Deviant Arts and DI.Fm Forums becuase i'm a member in those forums mike..

you talking to me? i didnt understand...

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Originally posted by Wicked Neo Hired ? Since when did posting a thread on Deviant Art's forums offering $50 as a competition prize to design a logo for your site become known as hiring designers ? And don't be accusing us again of monitoring your net activities as u did to Swamper in the help redesign TA section of the forums, ppl that use TA's forums do use other sites and other forums. I am a member of Deviant Art's forums and because of my interest in trance, your thread on there of course attracted my attention as it related to trance. A lot of members on deviant art's forums are not exactly impressed with you either as can be seen by the replies in your thread there. You are trying to come across as professional but instead you are showing yourself as someone trying to use other ppl's talents to make yourself look good. I for one am not impressed with you, your site or your attitude on these forums or deviant art's forums. I've not seen you make any sort of contribution to these forums, most of your posts have just been about getting your site off the ground. The posts you made in the Help Redesign TA section were hardly contributory either as you expected monitery rewards for your design which judging by your attitude on deviant art, you prolly got the design from one of the members there, paid them $50 for as a winning entry in one of your comps and then expect to charge Swamper a fair bit more for. The above is of course my conclusion and may not be accurate, but it would seem to me as if that would be the direction you would chose to take.

Wicked Neo,

You're entitled to your opinion, but when there are the number of inaccuracies like in the above post, I don't see how valid it is on the matter.

I've previously addressed your initial argument, however, again, I feel that questioning my actions to be a little wrong. What I do, as an individual and as a businessman, has little to do with you, nor should it concern you. I currently have three individuals working on a logo for the project, DA (as you rightly pointed out) is one of them. There's no secret behind it, because I feel that there is nothing for me to be ashamed of regarding this situation.

Your comment regarding DeviantART and their members' response to my offer is, again, ill-founded. There's not been one negative response relating to the contest. Basically, if I'm paying an individual $50 for 10-15 minutes work within Illustrator, it's not exactly bad business practice. Again, it's their choice as to whether they wish to participate within the contest, there's no gun pressed against their heads.

I come across as a businessman, quite simply. I use people's talents to benefit myself, because I pay them to do just that. Now, if there's something wrong with that, again, please reiterate.

I am not too bothered whether you're impressed with me, or my attitude. The fact is, yet again, it shouldn't concern you. I've paid people to do a job for me, there's no injustice there as it's the way in which the world works. Again, feel free to tell me differently. I hope you're also not impressed with large multi-national corporations who sub-contract aspects of their work out to other firms, because, essentially, that's what I'm doing here.

The final point you've made is one that really took me by surprise. If you've cared to actually look within the specific forum, you'll have noticed that I've already created three mock web designs for the new TA. If that's not a contribution, then I don't know what is. I'd also like you to note that I've never addressed money when posting these designs, because I'm not here for that.

Again, you have no idea regarding my designing abilities. I can work with Photoshop, I can work with ImageReady, but I'm not able to use Illustrator - which is why I sub-contract my vector work. Why would I pay someone $50 for a design, to pass off as my own, to try and 'earn' money, especially when there's no assurance that the design would be used?

You're trying to hardest to interpret me as a bad guy here, while all I'm trying to do is turn an idea of mine into reality, using methods that have been used for years, i.e. paying individuals for their services.

Your opinion is not accurate, not in the slightest bit.

May I ask that, in future, before you decide to go all out to degrade an individual, using slanderous comments to do so, you either do your research, or talk to the individual privately, so you're not left with egg on your face when the truth is revealed. I mean, all you had to do was ask!

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