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Posted by bass.exe on Dec-27-2004 18:25:

Mixing from the first beat

do u guys all mix your records in from the first beat? as in is the volume is up on the cued channel when u let the record go? I would really like to do this consistently but I find it hard when the record is loose or tight as the torque will vary depending on the record meaning the beat will be slightly off...any tips?

Posted by onceler on Dec-27-2004 18:29:

I can prob. count on 1 hand the number of times I have mixed like that since I started djing.

Posted by djxtension on Dec-27-2004 19:40:

I never do this, unless there really is no other way or the effect is just too cool to not do it.

Posted by Vero on Dec-27-2004 19:43:

ya, to start your mix on the very first beat is tough, ive tried it, but never really pulled it off perfectly.

Posted by thek on Dec-27-2004 20:27:

the only way it is easier to do is:

during the song you are mixing into is playing, find out where your pitch fader needs to be and get them in time perfectly. then at the point which you want to mix, rock the needle back and forth like 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 to the beat (played fowards on the 1 and 3 beats), then after the 4th beat, slide the crossfader into the middle and push the record off.

sorry that explination wasn't very clear...

Posted by bass.exe on Dec-27-2004 20:44:

Ive actually thought of a way to do this..tell me if this works :
I record my vinyl using Sound Studio in aif format, then copy the first cycle of the track and paste it at the beginning meaning I can use this � extra cycle �to adjust it, then mix it in starting from where the first beat would be by replaying the modified aif through final scratch or cdj.

Posted by Zack Roth on Dec-27-2004 21:01:

I've never even attempted it. You would have to have absolutely flawless timing when letting go of the record. I don't think I've ever seen a DJ attempt it.

Posted by Zild on Dec-27-2004 21:04:

I mix alot of hip-hop like that but never any trance. I just cue it in phrase while whacking the crossfader to the middle. Its important to get on the pitch fader quickly just in case you were a little early or a little late with the cue.

Posted by wiregen on Dec-27-2004 21:09:

On vinyls I "scratch" in--which always works well...I always mix in the first beat majority of the time..CDJ-1000s are 10x easier though...lol

Posted by sym on Dec-27-2004 21:36:

It's not that hard, but it does go wrong alot. I can usually do it within a degree of accuracy, and than adjust it to being perfect in the next couple of beats.

The track is to just constantly be cueing the record back and forth over the first beat and just know the playing song well. Than it's just a matter of a good release.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-28-2004 01:05:

I sometimes cue in from an earlier point in the tune, but keep the channel volume off. Then when I hit the first beat of the end of the first track, I just slam the volume up of the second so it sounds like I start mixing from there when I actually don't.

Posted by beats and beeps on Dec-28-2004 01:14:

I do it when it sounds good, which sometimes is surprisingly often when youre mixing more minimalistic stuff. Its a peice of cake on a cdj though.

Posted by Freak on Dec-28-2004 02:22:

yes when i am playing hip hop/r&b and various urban stuff.
ocassionally use it in housey stuff but not very often.

Scratch it in, then drop it on the first beat and be ready to make a minor correction if needed.

Not hard to do on vinyl-ditto for cd

Posted by 3xx3r7 on Dec-28-2004 02:35:

I can do it about 60% successfully.

Posted by memusa on Dec-28-2004 06:53:

quote:
Originally posted by beats and beeps
Its a peice of cake on a cdj though.

Not really. I mix on cdjs and it doesn't go perfect every time. There's always a song where the beat is slightly off. It is easier, I'll give you that.

Posted by tu_face on Dec-28-2004 12:29:

i only ever really do this if i have been fannying around and havent got time to get it in properly. there is the odd tune with a cool intro that i will do it with.

Posted by Nemesis44 on Dec-28-2004 13:18:

quote:
Originally posted by sym
It's not that hard, but it does go wrong alot.

i.e. it's actually quite hard...

It takes a lot of practice to get this right, but it can actually be done. Not the sort of thing you need to do though.

Cheers
Nem

Posted by dj chex on Dec-28-2004 17:58:

When i attempt it i need to get my release just right. Meaning, if i release the vinyl too soon/fast it will start slightly before it should and vice-versa. I try to practice releasing before i try to mix from the first beat. And that usually helps, but keep your hand on the pitch fader and ride it out carefully so it's not noticable.