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Zabiela on a budget
Basically I have seen Zabiela live, own his cd's and hence the 'making of alive' thingy.
I love his stuff but basically I cannot afford a DJM 600 and 2xcdj 1000's.
Am i wrong in thinking zabiela doesnt need the cdj 1000 for almost all of his tricks? Because any cdj that loops and has a jog wheel to scratch surley will suffice? And a lot of the loops he uses seem to be sequenced through the EFX500 anyway.
So first of all, why couldnt you use 2 turntables, 1 axis 9 and a EFX 500? The axis 9 can scratch, can seamlessly loop, what else does it need to do?
I dont own an axis 9 either (yet), is the scratch ability not good enough?
Finally, my mixer a behringer VMX300. I am perfectly happy with my mixer and it does indeed have a single send and return pair of phono/RCA's. Now is that going to limit me?
As I understand it (actually its easier if i put it how someone elso has allready put it)
"the Send outputs simply send whatever the PFL/Headphones are monitoring. Unlike more expensive mixers therefore, you cannot apply effects to one music channel, whilst cueing up the next track on the headphones. The moment you change the PFL/cueing buttons to monitor another channel, zap! That's the channel that the effects unit will see, effect, and send back to your mix, thereby letting the audience hearing what you were cueing up for the next track."
So with the limitingness of my mixer will these tricks be possible. I dont really understand,
Could i do what zabiela does when he.
Loops a sound on his cdj,
Uses the transform effect to chop it up
then simeltaneously scratches with one side of the EFX to create like a flanging effect, while simeltaneously scratches with the jog wheel of the cdj to scratch the sample.
All of this over the top of say a record on another channel on the vmx 300.
Any help greatly appreciated.
I'd reccomend two CDJ-800's and the EFX500.
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| Originally posted by nrjizer I'd reccomend two CDJ-800's and the EFX500. |
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| Originally posted by CraSHer[UK] I could do that. |
A mixer, regular turntables, and an efx is all you need.
locked grooves.
JZ is the man, but I think now too many are trying to emulate his style, no offense.
You can do all that stuff with turntables and an EFX 500. However, you won't get an SD card with all your hot cues saved on it.
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| Originally posted by sym JZ is the man, but I think now too many are trying to emulate his style, no offense. |
http://www.dmcworld.com/technics2004/videos.asp <---2004 champ & I wouldn't be suprised if some of you havn't already seen it. 2002 is a good one too
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| Originally posted by Ken_Allen http://www.dmcworld.com/technics2004/videos.asp <---2004 champ & I wouldn't be suprised if some of you havn't already seen it. 2002 is a good one too |
Skill is nothing without execution.
Fact is, as awesome and insane as these DMC style turntablists are, I've yet to see any of them incorporate these kind of tricks into an EDM set like Zabiela has. Dave Clarke, and Donald Glaude are incredible turntablists, but no one else has combined that with the EFX (except Hawtin, but I don't think he's much of a turntablist). Not to mention he has a great style of music.
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| Originally posted by Nou Ummm, you already won troll of the year award in that other thread, you dont need to come in here and start shit. Dont you have some homework to do, dont wanna fail 7th grade math do you? Please get the fuck out. Now that I have stated my disgust of you, I will go on to defend Zabiela, yea, if you compare him to DMC champs he aint nearly as talented, but he does something different, he puts together whole new sounds out of different songs, you dont even notice what he is doing half the time, and thats the point. Turntablists come out and try to make it sound like they are doing something, thats the point. When you listen to something from Zabiela has done it sounds like a normal tracks, but really its a whole lot more. |
I agree zabiela is awesome with efx but I don't see where you guys get the scratching from? 
Theres not really much scratching
Oh & Nuo...I don't think you need to even start shit. I even put the .
That shows that people can't express their own opinions. Why is it that I am the only one ever getting bashed to hell whenever I express my opinions? I don't think my age matters because if I said I was 24 you all wouldn't give a rats ass and wouldn't bash me. Weird
who said we were amazed??? I just think it's fun to add in some cutting into a edm set. It's boring to listen to some of these dance dj sets (including mine) b/c it's always the same 4/4 and same places to mix out of and into every time. I for one been taking a liking to turntablism lately and im plaining on competing at GC's spin-off latter this year.
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| Originally posted by Ken_Allen That shows that people can't express their own opinions. |
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| Originally posted by zizack an ignorant one at best. And like everyone else said already, its retarded to try and compare Zabiela to DMC turbtablilists. They are pruely turntabilists. He is out on tour spinning all over the world, appealing to clubbers who want to hear EDM...he's just personalizing the music he spins which is refreshing these days. He's not a scratch DJ and he doesn't claim to be, so why compare him to them? But it's getting kind of funny how now all of a sudden everybody is all psyched to go out and buy cdjs and FX units to copy what he is doing. |
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| Originally posted by sym JZ is the man, but I think now too many are trying to emulate his style, no offense. |
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| Originally posted by memusa Well you have to admit that Zabiela's efx style and Sasha's live remixing style ARE the future. Just mixing track after track will be considered nothing special in 10 or 15 years. |
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| Originally posted by sym In all honesty, I would love to emulate Zabiela's style, and I see myself stepping in that direction, but I think instead of trying to emulate, we should all be trying to move forward, perhaps taking hints from them, but at the same time keep trying to move the music forward, experiment with different genre's, and keep things interesting. That will do alot more than just having 1000 Zabielas, or 1000 Sashas. |
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| Originally posted by memusa Well you have to admit that Zabiela's efx style and Sasha's live remixing style ARE the future. Just mixing track after track will be considered nothing special in 10 or 15 years. |
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| Originally posted by nrjizer You sure you don't mean "now?" |
No, the dumbass populace will always vote for the digestable sound of the time.
Actually I take that back, considering Tenaglia and Cox have been past winners. Let's hope people will get sick of this hyped up dutch shit soon enough.
Interesting debate...
And here is my two euros worth
You have some very strong opinions here and most carry some weight or truth.
As stated, of course James Zabiela isn't on the level of a DMC champion but let's face it, a DMC champion isn't on James Zabiela's level either.
My point is that you are not comparing like for like.
Spinning for a Dance floor and rockin' the crowd at the DMC final are two very different things, both equally impressive.
The DMC competition has evolved since 1986 the year that DJ cheese won. At that time a lot of the tricks were similar to some of the Zabiela stuff that you will see. The reason for this was that the DJs were more musically orientated at that time. Using decks more as samplers rather than a tool for scratching.
One Dutch DJ (And forgive me for forgetting his name) is reported to have thrown his decks on the floor in dismay after seeing DJ Cheese win just by scratching when his own set was more harmonically based like a dance floor DJ. Needless to say he came back the following year with his own stylez and cuts.
So only for a brief period of time was the DMC comp ever graced by DJs who work dancefloors.
The thing that I find exciting about JZ is that he has that creative edge to his tricks. That musical creativity that a good DJ has anyways.
Now don't be knocking the boys like Tiesto and Armin. While Tiesto may not have the best DJing skill on the planet, these guys have an amazing ear for music and not to mention access to tracks that will be big long before anyone else does.
Comparing the styles:
Turntablism - You can definately tell that the DJ is doing this. The whole mentality of turntablism is 'look at me, I'm the man... let's see if you can do better'. And that's the way it's supposed to be, nothing strange in that and party what gives it it's charm. But truly a DJ's DJ.
Zabiela's style - This style is more discreet. 'Let's see if they notice this' sort of thing. Keep in mind that it still has to sound good. You still have to believe that the song was meant to be that way or think 'Wow, is this a new remix'. Refreshing and different from the usual DJ's and great entertainment. Again more of a DJ's DJ as most people (Average clubber) don't actually know what JZ is famous for, they will just think he is the same as Tiesto etc.
The Armin and Tiesto style - Truly the DJ's of the people. They have a fantastic ear for music. Clear if nothing else by the quality of their productions and understanding of what makes people work it on the dancefloor. These boys also play tracks that are less fiddle friendly. Big room trance does not respond well to cutting scratching and overkill with effects. To make it as this sort of a DJ though you have to have productions and ideas to back you up.
Keep in mind though that the parameters for what a DJ should and shouldn't do are always changing so what is true this year may have totally changed this time next year. Due to music styles, technology and so on.
No one has mentioned the X factor that all these guys have and that is the ability to understand the crowd and know what will get them going. That is what real DJing is about, how you go about is what's known as style.
And besides if a lot of these guys want to copy JZ, just think what will happen when they start putting their own creative touch to this. This is how turntablism devoloped to what it is today. If no one copied anyone we would still all be cutting and scratching like Chad Jackson (Legend in his own time but out of date by today's standards).
Another long Nem post comes to an end.
Cheers
Nem
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| Originally posted by sym Jay Z is a DJ, he plays music but incorporates certain tricks. |
if i remember correctly... its a djm500 in the video, not a 600
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