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DMJ 600s BPM counter...reliable?

I have never used BPM counters before to mix as my mixer doesnt have them. My beatmatching skill isnt perfect yet but I would like to start mixing in more records in my sets..like 1 every 2 mintues. I am performing in a club that has a DMJ 600 and since it has BPM counters, I was wondering to what extent I could rely on those to beatmatch faster. Like once the BPMs are equal on the reader, do u stil have to make minor adjustments with the pitch?

Train your ear grass hoppa and BPM counter usless.

I had a DJm for a few months and as far as I can remember the BPM counter was extremely precise. i never used it, but I remember comparing the BPM readout to the bpm readout of my cdj1000 and they were 100% in sync.

THEY ARE NOT PRETTY PRECISE!!!

they are temperamental bastards, they take ages to FIND the bpm, then decides to change on its own after 4 seconds to something completely wrong.

when its right, its useful for effects, but not useful at all for mixing (as with any other beat counter). at the end of the day, it only goes to 1 whole BPM, many more small movements will be required to get it beatmatched anyway. you will honestly do it quicker using your ears, instead of waiting for the thing to stop flashing and to get it right.

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Originally posted by tu_face THEY ARE NOT PRETTY PRECISE!!! they are temperamental bastards, they take ages to FIND the bpm, then decides to change on its own after 4 seconds to something completely wrong. when its right, its useful for effects, but not useful at all for mixing (as with any other beat counter). at the end of the day, it only goes to 1 whole BPM, many more small movements will be required to get it beatmatched anyway. you will honestly do it quicker using your ears, instead of waiting for the thing to stop flashing and to get it right.

yup, they often jump from 140 to 176 or summay equally daft during the break + thus rendering the bpm linked fx useless unless you know the approx setting by ear

Useful if you are matching effects that need a bpm but other than that.
Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by zizack ..the bpm readout of my cdj1000 and they were 100% in sync.

Of course it was... they are made by the same company, and thus... use the same logic in computing the BPM.

They are pretty close, but use it more of as a range not as the exact bpm, you cant mix by just looking at the numbers :/, try rather by ear then if you are within a few half beats then should be able to line it up or vise versa

its more of a guide but shouldnt be followed to down to the wire.

i trust my ear over the numbers

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Originally posted by onceler Of course it was... they are made by the same company, and thus... use the same logic in computing the BPM.

not always totally true. the bpm counter in an efx500 seems to work a lot better than the one in a djm600, even though i would have thought they were the same unit.

It is very precise, I also remember using it with 2 cdj-800's and they were the same perfectly sync. But dont use the bpm counter cover it up, what will you do if you get invited to play and all they have are turntables or cd players without bpm counter or no bpm on a mixer?

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Originally posted by onceler Of course it was... they are made by the same company, and thus... use the same logic in computing the BPM.

I think that matters too. On my Numark axis9 i can get a bpm reading of 125.2 or something like that, while the same track on my pioneer dmp-555 will read 93 bpm or something totally different. Their readouts are almost never simular.

the beat counter on the axis9 is amazing (for a beat counter).. you can tell it which peaks it needs to follow.

I was just thinking that a beatcounter is more versatile as a beatcount guesstimator - you get the general idea of what BPM the track should be at and get the fine little details of matching afterwards.

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Originally posted by tu_face the beat counter on the axis9 is amazing (for a beat counter).. you can tell it which peaks it needs to follow.

That's why i trust the numark's beat counter over the pioneer. Either way, it's not a good idea to use bpm counters while mixing.

I've been known to use a tap counter to catalogue my records but I don't bother getting the exact BPM. Thats what your ear is for. I don't like even looking at the BPM counters on mixers while I'm using them it messes with my beatmatching.

They can't be as bad as the TTX1 BPM counters

We should all agree that bpm counters suck in general. They're only useful when sorting records.

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Originally posted by dj chex They're only useful when sorting records.

or using effects

I usually tap the BPM for effects but then again I don't spin any 4 to the floor styles its all brokenbeat.

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Originally posted by bass.exe My beatmatching skill isnt perfect yet but I would like to start mixing in more records in my sets..like 1 every 2 mintues.

a new song every 2 minutes? what exactly are you planning to spin

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I usually tap the BPM for effects but then again I don't spin any 4 to the floor styles its all brokenbeat.

although most breakbeat uses 4/4 time signature.


try not to use bpm counters for beatmatching & mixing. youd be faster marking the bpms on each of your records so you know the general direction to pitch them

razzi.

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Originally posted by razzi a new song every 2 minutes? what exactly are you planning to spin

sounds like techno madness to me!

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although most breakbeat uses 4/4 time signature.

Thats why I find it easier to tap in the tempo manually than to wait for the DJM to find the peaks and calculate the BPM.

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Originally posted by tu_face sounds like techno madness to me!

Correct! im actually starting to use 3 turntables so I am trying to mix in a new record every 2 mins. Need to train my ears some more.

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Originally posted by bass.exe Correct! im actually starting to use 3 turntables so I am trying to mix in a new record every 2 mins. Need to train my ears some more.

Sounds like a great time to me.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue I was just thinking that a beatcounter is more versatile as a beatcount guesstimator - you get the general idea of what BPM the track should be at and get the fine little details of matching afterwards.

Or a handy tool to measure how banging the set is getting.

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