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The word UPLIFTING!

ok, I am sick and tired of the words spread on the net "uplifting trance" "uplifting track" "uplifting melodic trance" etc. etc. etc.

I mean, isnt every kind of music uplifting? if u like POP u will find the tracks u like uplifting, the same is with rock, hip-hop, jazz etc, there is no such things as uplifting trance,or uplifintg melodic trance, I mean trance is uplifitng for u, IF u like the tune, and for those who doesnt like progressive house, cause they dont find it uplifting, the reason may simply be.. u dont like it..

if I listen to a good rock tune, its uplifiting to me, the same with another progressive track that i like.. simply cause i like it and it gets me in a good mood..

Uplifting is very simple another word for good/superb..

(i havent put my flame suit on, but flame away)

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Originally posted by Subtle if I listen to a good rock tune, its uplifiting to me, the same with another progressive track that i like.. simply cause i like it and it gets me in a good mood..

i agree.





btw, do you know any uplifting tracks?

"Uplifing" is a word that describes an emotional state. What is "uplifting" to one person might not be to someone else, therefore that word cannot be used to name a genre of music.

"Melodic" means of, relating to, or containing melody. All trance is melodic, therefore the word "melodic" cannot be used to name a subgenre or even a group of tracks that sound similar.

This is common sense, or so I thought. Then again there are a lot of stupid people out there.

I agree that "uplifting _____" isn't a genre, but I think that the adjective can be used objectively. Certain tracks are uplifting, i.e., they are cheerful and happy, whereas others are not. Of course there's a degree of subjectivity here, as personal taste cannot be disputed; regardless one could not say, e.g., that Delerium - Innocente is uplifting.

i think it would make more sense to classify tunes by what they AREN'T

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Originally posted by starglider I agree that "uplifting _____" isn't a genre, but I think that the adjective can be used objectively. Certain tracks are uplifting, i.e., they are cheerful and happy, whereas others are not. Of course there's a degree of subjectivity here, as personal taste cannot be disputed; regardless one could not say, e.g., that Delerium - Innocente is uplifting.

I find the build up.. the open-hi hats.. the driving percussions after the chorus uplifting!

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Originally posted by Radagast "Melodic" means of, relating to, or containing melody. All trance is melodic, therefore the word "melodic" cannot be used to name a subgenre or even a group of tracks that sound similar.

You say this like it is obvious fact, but it is not so. Definitions are not static; whereas your statement may have been true twelve years ago, trance has evolved and expanded to the point where the subcategorization of tracks into various subgenres is beneficial.

Melodic trance is, quite simply, trance centered around a melody. This differs from progressive trance and tech trance, for example, where the focus is elsewhere. These genres can be given different names, but they cannot be denied.

I was thinking about posting a similar topic. Uplifting can be applied to various genres in EDM. What most people mean to say is epic, instead of uplifting. It is very vague and too general to call something uplifting.

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Originally posted by starglider You say this like it is obvious fact, but it is not so. Definitions are not static; whereas your statement may have been true twelve years ago, trance has evolved and expanded to the point where the subcategorization of tracks into various subgenres is beneficial. Melodic trance is, quite simply, trance centered around a melody. This differs from progressive trance and tech trance, for example, where the focus is elsewhere. These genres can be given different names, but they cannot be denied.

No. You're wrong. The definition hasn't changed. Melodic is melodic. All trance is melodic. You're probably talking about ambient trance.

Most people here would call Leama & Moor - Requiem For A Dream melodic trance. Well it's not. It's ambient trance.

Don't be daft. A lot of genres are a long way from uplifting, especially aggressive, dark and angry genres.

I don't like the word epic either. Not all melodic trance is epic, nor is it uplifting. I really don't think there's a better way to describe the genre.

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Originally posted by Radagast No. You're wrong. Definitions do not change. Melodic is melodic. All trance is melodic. You're probably talking about ambient trance.

Definitions must change, or we must introduce new definitions, otherwise we can't hope to define music. Music changes, no? Then we must have a way to describe it.

Melodic is melodic, yes. All trance is melodic, yes. Distinctly different types of trance can, however, be recognized based on their musical properties, and thus categorized accordingly. The fact that you apparently wish to deny this process does not make it any less valid.

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Originally posted by starglider I don't like the word epic either. Not all melodic trance is epic, nor is it uplifting. I really don't think there's a better way to describe the genre.

There is nothing wrong with the word epic.

Epic: Surpassing the usual or ordinary, particularly in scope or size.

Which is a perfect description of epic trance.

Melodic trance is redundant. All trance is melodic. And all trance is not epic. Nor is all trance uplifting. These things have nothing to do with how epic is or is not a good word for a trance subgenre.

Not all trance is melodic.

Oh okay. Which trance track doesn't have some kind of melody?

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Originally posted by Radagast There is nothing wrong with the word epic. Epic: Surpassing the usual or ordinary, particularly in scope or size. Which is a perfect description of epic trance. Melodic trance is redundant. All trance is melodic. And all trance is not epic. Nor is all trance uplifting. These things have nothing to do with how epic is not a good word for a trance subgenre.

Epic is a poor word because it does not suggest a unique set of tracks. Any kind of trance can be epic, be it progressive, tech, ambient or otherwise. Beside,s, the word epic has other definitions than the one you mentioned. It's too vague.

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Originally posted by starglider Definitions must change, or we must introduce new definitions, otherwise we can't hope to define music. Music changes, no? Then we must have a way to describe it. Melodic is melodic, yes. All trance is melodic, yes. Distinctly different types of trance can, however, be recognized based on their musical properties, and thus categorized accordingly. The fact that you apparently wish to deny this process does not make it any less valid.

Simply because a trance track has "more melody" does not merit a new genre name.

Leama - Requiem For A Dream (Leama's Dream Mix) =! Melodic Trance
Leama - Requiem For A Dream (Leama's Dream Mix) = Ambient Trance

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Originally posted by Subtle

What kind of stupid topic is this? All music is not "uplifting". People listen to/create music for a bunch of different reasons; to express anger, joy, sadness, or just get totally brainfucked.

While you're at it, why not bitch about the word trance? Not all trance puts you in a trance, does it? No, because it's all subjective.

Fucking idiotic thread...

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Originally posted by Radagast Oh okay. Which trance track doesn't have some kind of melody?

Any track comprised of notes has a melody. Only percussive music does not have a melody, and even then, some percussion can be melodic. The use of the word melodic in any musical context is comparative. Melodic trance is melodic in comparison to other forms of trance. Be as pedantic as you like, because it doesn't stop the rest of the world using the word in context, correctly.

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Originally posted by starglider Epic is a poor word because it does not suggest a unique set of tracks. Any kind of trance can be epic, be it progressive, tech, ambient or otherwise. Beside,s, the word epic has other definitions than the one you mentioned. It's too vague.

As compared to less over the top, in your face, grandiloquent trance, epic trance is EPIC. The definition I used is the definition of epic that EPIC TRANCE connotates.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Any track comprised of notes has a melody. Only percussive music does not have a melody, and even then, some percussion can be melodic. The use of the word melodic in any musical context is comparative. Melodic trance is melodic in comparison to other forms of trance. Be as pedantic as you like, because it doesn't stop the rest of the world using the word in context, correctly.

Melodic = containing melody. All trance contains melody. Therefore no group or substyle of trance can be named melodic. End of story.

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Originally posted by Radagast As compared to less over the top, in your face, grandiloquent trance, epic trance is EPIC. The definition I used is the definition of epic that EPIC TRANCE connotates.

In fact, you've just contradicted yourself with this line of arguing. You either lose to Starglider, or me, take your pick.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Any track comprised of notes has a melody. Only percussive music does not have a melody, and even then, some percussion can be melodic. The use of the word melodic in any musical context is comparative. Melodic trance is melodic in comparison to other forms of trance. Be as pedantic as you like, because it doesn't stop the rest of the world using the word in context, correctly.

In comparison to *what* other trance? You still haven't given examples. Trance is based on having a melody.

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Originally posted by Ory In comparison to *what* other trance? You still haven't given examples. Trance is based on having a melody.

Why do I have to give examples? Some trance has a melody in it for scant moments, other trance has melody throughout. I'm not making a fucking list of examples, it's bloody obvious.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Why do I have to give examples? Some trance has a melody in it for scant moments, other trance has melody throughout. I'm not making a fucking list of examples, it's bloody obvious.

No, please give examples.

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