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Reup Reup you're outta your mind...

...so what's Keeping our folks in the military?

Thoughts?
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They get to travel and get paid for it.....

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Originally posted by occrider The CIA's duties are NOT to support the President's agenda by providing analyses that solely corroborate his ideological position which allows his agenda to "win". Their job is to provide comprehensive, objective analyses that pertains to the facts rather than the ideological desired state. By purging your intelligence agency of dissenting voices and sending warnings to all others who may share similar objections in their analyses of the intelligence, you move closer to an intelligence agency of yes-men that is most fittingly head by the individual in my avatar, than an intelligence agency who provides the facts regardless of its impact on the President's own personal agenda or anyone's agenda. This is common sense here ...

no one joins the military for the travel and ESPECIALLY PAY...950 a month? i'd get more than that in micky D's and all the food i want :P

Well guess we haven't figured out what's keeping them in.

On a more serious note, they can't figure how to get them in to start with at the moment.


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Originally posted by smokeape Reup Reup you're outta your mind... ...so what's Keeping our folks in the military? Thoughts? [[[smoke]]]

Nobody would join the army only for the money, they just do it to defend their country

they target poor areas and give false hopes...

Im not joining for sure!

Its also a way of getting free college education isnt it?

Would it surprise anybody that enough arnt joining up..just look at the daily news...eeh...career choice flip burgers or join the army...at the moment id pick burgers...the red stains on your uniform after your shift aint blood...

They join cuz their losers who dont know what to do with their lives and they have also given up on life so they join the military. Alos cuz they get to kill ppl without being arrested.

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra no one joins the military for the travel and ESPECIALLY PAY...950 a month? i'd get more than that in micky D's and all the food i want :P

You obviously don't talk to people in the military then. In fact you are so dead wrong you couldn't be more wrong if you called Armin van Buuren a good Dj...

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Originally posted by NYGblue You obviously don't talk to people in the military then. In fact you are so dead wrong you couldn't be more wrong if you called Armin van Buuren a good Dj...

how much money do soldiers get then? I know if ur in the Navy Seals the starting salary is 238,000 and thats a lot. They dont desearve that type of money when they dont do shit. The navy seals are a bunch of sissies and fucking ****s. They are so overrated.

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Originally posted by x-filer how much money do soldiers get then? I know if ur in the Navy Seals the starting salary is 238,000 and thats a lot. They dont desearve that type of money when they dont do shit. The navy seals are a bunch of sissies and fucking ****s. They are so overrated.

Generally speaking soldiers aren't paid WELL but that is according to rank. Non-coms don't tend to have much to begin with so they are happy to make money and get benefits. Commissioned officers tend to make a decent living with benefits.

I have also talked to many navy personnel who joined the Navy specifically for the adventure and the possibility of visiting ports of call or being assigned overseas.

Also many people join the military to take advantage of the G.I. Bill which provides them with money they wouldn't otherwise have for college after serving for a period of a few years.

I am not advocating joining the army, personally I come from a family that scoffs at such things (we are hispanic serving in the army isn't considered honorable). Despite that I also have a huge problem with the whole groupthink mindcontrol thing they put you through. I mean soldiers aren't robots but I don't need or want that lifestyle and culture. BUT I can't deny the benefits and rewards a young person most definitely receives by serving in the military.

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Originally posted by smokeape Well guess we haven't figured out what's keeping them in. [[[smoke]]]

I'm going to answer yours with another question.

What keeps the youths in South Central Los Angeles (and other places) in gangs like the Crips and Bloods ? (not the best analogy but it still works)

The need for acceptance? Fellowship? Camaraderie? Structure? Adventure? Excitement?

I'm sure there's a lot more to it, but I'm not in their shoes so I can only speculate upon the reasons.

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Originally posted by NYGblue Generally speaking soldiers aren't paid WELL but that is according to rank. Non-coms don't tend to have much to begin with so they are happy to make money and get benefits. Commissioned officers tend to make a decent living with benefits. I have also talked to many navy personnel who joined the Navy specifically for the adventure and the possibility of visiting ports of call or being assigned overseas. Also many people join the military to take advantage of the G.I. Bill which provides them with money they wouldn't otherwise have for college after serving for a period of a few years. I am not advocating joining the army, personally I come from a family that scoffs at such things (we are hispanic serving in the army isn't considered honorable). Despite that I also have a huge problem with the whole groupthink mindcontrol thing they put you through. I mean soldiers aren't robots but I don't need or want that lifestyle and culture. BUT I can't deny the benefits and rewards a young person most definitely receives by serving in the military.

And what are these benefits your talking about...pay plus expenses?
Houseing and healthcare etc...just curious

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Originally posted by zig And what are these benefits your talking about...pay plus expenses? Houseing and healthcare etc...just curious

Housing, food, healthcare, retirement benefits for extended service, the GI Bill... there is more... im no expert...

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Originally posted by NYGblue Housing, food, healthcare, retirement benefits for extended service, the GI Bill... there is more... im no expert...

and approx...how many troops are in the american military at any one time..all areas..navy..airforce etc

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Originally posted by zig and approx...how many troops are in the american military at any one time..all areas..navy..airforce etc

I dont know you would have to look that up.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I'm going to answer yours with another question. What keeps the youths in South Central Los Angeles (and other places) in gangs like the Crips and Bloods ? (not the best analogy but it still works) The need for acceptance? Fellowship? Camaraderie? Structure? Adventure? Excitement? I'm sure there's a lot more to it, but I'm not in their shoes so I can only speculate upon the reasons.

Crips and Bloods ain't being deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and getting maimed/killed. LIke your comment about Acceptance, Fellowship, Camaraderie, Structure, Adventure, or Excitement? Maybe a combo. What about money and job security? What about the fact there's no equivalent civilian job for an Infantry Grunt beyond general laborer?


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Originally posted by smokeape Crips and Bloods ain't being deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and getting maimed/killed. LIke your comment about Acceptance, Fellowship, Camaraderie, Structure, Adventure, or Excitement? Maybe a combo. What about money and job security? What about the fact there's no equivalent civilian job for an Infantry Grunt beyond general laborer? [[[smoke]]]

Well actually a lot of people receive special training with technical equipment that could be applied to civilian life. But yeah a frontline soldier hasn't gained any skills in the military useful to the outside world. Oh well... you choose the life you lead.

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Originally posted by smokeape Crips and Bloods ain't being deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and getting maimed/killed.

As I said, it wasn't the best possible analogy. However, Crips and Bloods willingly risk life and limb to be a part of something that doesn't guarantee them success or job security.

Anyway, how can you honestly think about job security when your occupation puts you in the direct line of fire?

In regards to money, the only wealthy in the military are the top brass of the Commissioned Officers.

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Originally posted by x-filer They join cuz their losers who dont know what to do with their lives and they have also given up on life so they join the military. Alos cuz they get to kill ppl without being arrested.

wow....do you fuckin' hug trees too?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r wow....do you fuckin' hug trees too?

Yet you both have implemented stereotypes.

Or was that intentional?

LOL

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Yet you both have implemented stereotypes. Or was that intentional? LOL

sort of a mirrored response I guess...

we'll see if he 'gets' it...

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Originally posted by Trancer-X As I said, it wasn't the best possible analogy. However, Crips and Bloods willingly risk life and limb to be a part of something that doesn't guarantee them success or job security. Anyway, how can you honestly think about job security when your occupation puts you in the direct line of fire? In regards to money, the only wealthy in the military are the top brass of the Commissioned Officers.

NIce post.

No, it wasn't a good analogy as I pointed it out. Crips and Bloods are gangsters fighting for god knows what. American soldiers are fighting for god and country. Many grunts have a family to support on their base back home and that can always be considered a primary reason why they choose to fight to begin with. They carry a rifle and fight, but as far as job skills, it's about like hunting in the civilian world (but that's a hobby). Since there's no real equivalent job out there in civilian life, they really have no job skills to sell themselves on outside of the military unless they want a security job or like position and stretch their job experience. I'm not trying to rationalize that this could be the reason why soldiers reenlist in the military, but only to point out factors which would make them want to reenlist.


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