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Final Scratch 2?

What's the deal with Final Scratch 2? Has anyone ever used it and can give their opinion on it? Personally I think it's a great concept, you can save a lot of money by downloading MP3s instead of buying records. I just have no clue how it performs.

Before people start jumping to conclusions, do you mean MP3s from like Kazaa and shit, or paid from Beatport and the like?

Ya I mean MP3s from kazaa and stuff. I guess a lot of people would argue that most MP3s are encoded at low quality.

even though i was a fs1.1 user and im waiting for ssl to arrive, i still perfer the discrete sound of vinyl.

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Originally posted by aleksd Ya I mean MP3s from kazaa and stuff. I guess a lot of people would argue that most MP3s are encoded at low quality.

If you love this music, don't you think you should support the artists and buy either CDs, Vinyl or the MP3 from an online site?

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Originally posted by DannyO If you love this music, don't you think you should support the artists and buy either CDs, Vinyl or the MP3 from an online site?

+1
If you're drop some $ on FS and decks etc. you might want to think about paying for music too

I transfer all my vinyl to digital and have literally spent thousands of dollars on the gear I use to do it, not to mention all my time and the cost of the vinyl. I would never put my digital files online for sharing.

I've had several people ask if they can copy my collection and a few actually get offended when I told them no like they were just asking as a courtesy. If I knew the person had the actual record I would have no problem giving them the AIFF but to just giving anyway the artists music is totally wrong.

The market for our style of music is so small that large scale steeling of the music could do very serious damage. If you download a track while you waiting for the record you ordered to online to get to you that is one thing. But if you plan to actually use that file and never pay the artist you should reconsider.

OK end of my preaching.

Keith

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Originally posted by DannyO If you love this music, don't you think you should support the artists and buy either CDs, Vinyl or the MP3 from an online site?

+2

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Originally posted by Keith Chambers I transfer all my vinyl to digital and have literally spent thousands of dollars on the gear I use to do it, not to mention all my time and the cost of the vinyl. I would never put my digital files online for sharing. I've had several people ask if they can copy my collection and a few actually get offended when I told them no like they were just asking as a courtesy. If I knew the person had the actual record I would have no problem giving them the AIFF but to just giving anyway the artists music is totally wrong. The market for our style of music is so small that large scale steeling of the music could do very serious damage. If you download a track while you waiting for the record you ordered to online to get to you that is one thing. But if you plan to actually use that file and never pay the artist you should reconsider. OK end of my preaching. Keith

+0.5,

i agree for the most part, but there's stuff i've been searching hi and low and sometimes having it as a mp3 file until you can actually
find it on vinyl is nice. Stuff i have on mp3 like "Remember Chicago" is very hard to find on vinyl, and can help motivate me to find it's origional pressing.

guys stop preaching about the ethics of mp3s - he wants to know about FS2..

well i've had FS2 since the start of december. i can't call myself a Final Scratch user simply because it hasn't worked yet!

you need a firewire card for your notebook in order to connect the scratchamp. typical of stanton, the amp is VERY VERY picky of what card you use. i have bought 2 different cards and neither worked. stanton recommended a firewire card with a Texas Instruments chipset. ive ordered one and am now waitin on it gettin shipped.

ive heard people complain recently that they experience frequent audio dropouts even tho they run high-spec computers. stanton apparently are working on the solution to this. yea right lol.

if this card doesnt work or FS2 is runnin like shit im switching to SSL which is from what i hear 100% reliable and if it messes up, the techs have a solution for you within a day.

think carefully about your next step friend. oh and btw the rest of the guys are right. support your artists and buy their mp3s instead of downloading them. on the plus side you'll get better quality than you will off kazaa rips!

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Originally posted by Basstard guys stop preaching about the ethics of mp3s - he wants to know about FS2.. well i've had FS2 since the start of december. i can't call myself a Final Scratch user simply because it hasn't worked yet! you need a firewire card for your notebook in order to connect the scratchamp. typical of stanton, the amp is VERY VERY picky of what card you use. i have bought 2 different cards and neither worked. stanton recommended a firewire card with a Texas Instruments chipset. ive ordered one and am now waitin on it gettin shipped. ive heard people complain recently that they experience frequent audio dropouts even tho they run high-spec computers. stanton apparently are working on the solution to this. yea right lol. if this card doesnt work or FS2 is runnin like shit im switching to SSL which is from what i hear 100% reliable and if it messes up, the techs have a solution for you within a day. think carefully about your next step friend. oh and btw the rest of the guys are right. support your artists and buy their mp3s instead of downloading them. on the plus side you'll get better quality than you will off kazaa rips!

Stanton has always had problems w/ technical support on their products. When i owned fs 1.1, it was no problem to get it working, but getting it working stable was another story. I tried it on 3 different chipsets, via kt333a, intel 845mp mobile, intel 865pe, and on a g4 powerbook and every pc had done the same scratchamp disconnecting issues reguardless of any software version out there. I e-mailed them religiously and posted on their now debunk forums requesting a rma for the pile of crap soundcard. They didn't reply. So thankfully the place i bought it from allowed me to bend their rules and return it for my money back. Then after about a month of returning final shit, they e-mailed me a rma number and shipping address. Way to go Stanton....

Just go with ssl. Rane posts the new updated software free on their forums, unlike Stanton whom wants you to spend $50 for any updates, and it also runs stable like a rock on my 1.6ghz p4-m w/ no audio dropouts like i've experienced w/ fs-1.1-1.5

well said chex!

yup i hope to go djstore.co.uk let me send back FS2 in exchange for SSL!

Serato Scratch Live pwns Final Scratch 2

Virtual dj is way better, don't be fooled by the price just believe it.

Final scratch was just the first program introduced timecode vinyl, but now is history.
And indeed stanton is a huge company with good marketing, but Atomix is a flexible team and very quick to updates.
Just see for yourself the progress of the program during the latest year

http://www.virtualdj.com/products/v...dj/history.html

and then look for the final scratch or other programs updates at the same time.
Note.. these updates are free from day one, while you have to pay for final scratch major updates.

The biggest thing is final scratch uses a dedicated soundcard interface setup. VDJ gives you the option of choosing the soundcard you need and you can upgrade later. If you are just mixing and want left and right deck separate ouputs then a standard 4 channel card will do. I fyou are looking for scratvhing then a 4 channel maya will do but the you can go into a pro 8 channel out and go wild which is not available with the final scratch.

Final scratch 2 is just come out and is already behind.

btw... i buy cds then rip them to the pc.

Well thanks guys for the replies, I didn't even know of SSL, but now I do

Also about the downloading issue. I didn't mean to say getting Final Scratch will put an end to buying recordss. I have like thousands of MP3s on my computer that I've collected before getting into mixing. For me to go and purchase every record would cost me and arm and leg, way more than Final Scratch or SSL. However mixing a great set on MP3 first allows you to be selective as to which records you want to buy, I love buying records, but I want to make sure I can make use of them 100% right away; not every record can be mixed together flawlessly.

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Originally posted by aleksd not every record can be mixed together flawlessly.

tell that to the tiesto 1337s

I'm using DJDecks, it's similar to FinalScratch and uses it's vinyl. Very good solution and costs very unexpensive, much more cheaper than original FS.

i have final scratch 2, its on my 17 inch powerbook.. i download mp3s off of beatport.
they come in at 320 kbps... they sound wickedly good

imo

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Originally posted by dallas i have final scratch 2, its on my 17 inch powerbook.. i download mp3s off of beatport. they come in at 320 kbps... they sound wickedly good imo

thats what i do cept i use virtual dj.

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Originally posted by TranceSpeeder Virtual dj is way better, don't be fooled by the price just believe it. Final scratch was just the first program introduced timecode vinyl, but now is history. And indeed stanton is a huge company with good marketing, but Atomix is a flexible team and very quick to updates. Just see for yourself the progress of the program during the latest year http://www.virtualdj.com/products/v...dj/history.html and then look for the final scratch or other programs updates at the same time. Note.. these updates are free from day one, while you have to pay for final scratch major updates. The biggest thing is final scratch uses a dedicated soundcard interface setup. VDJ gives you the option of choosing the soundcard you need and you can upgrade later. If you are just mixing and want left and right deck separate ouputs then a standard 4 channel card will do. I fyou are looking for scratvhing then a 4 channel maya will do but the you can go into a pro 8 channel out and go wild which is not available with the final scratch. Final scratch 2 is just come out and is already behind. btw... i buy cds then rip them to the pc.

I love Virtual DJ.

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Originally posted by Nou the only problem with virtual dj is that it dosnt have a phono pass through.... so you have have to disconnect the phono cable on the tt and plug it into the mixer if you want to play a vinyl track.

with the maya 44 usb u can do that couse i do it all the time.

i have a 17" powerbook g4 and am currently waiting for FS2 to come in the mail... will i have a problem with my laptop and this prodcut?

-keith

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Originally posted by keithos27 i have a 17" powerbook g4 and am currently waiting for FS2 to come in the mail... will i have a problem with my laptop and this prodcut? -keith

more than likely not.

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Originally posted by Nou I will guess that you WONT have a problem becuase the powerbook is apple, and since apple controls all the types of controllers (your firewire being the one in question) it is most likely the same one they used to test fs2 on the apple systems... now if stanton was lame (and they might be) and tested fs on a apple tower with a 3rd party firewire card then u might be in trouble.... but i seriously doubt that happened. anyways... dont quote me on this.

good point, thanks.

I don't really understand the appeal of Final Scratch (other than 24 bit file support) when SSL works great and Rane is known for their awesome customer support. Doesn't it make sense to bet on the winning horse?

I have a 17in Powerbook and SSL. It works awesome!

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Originally posted by Keith Chambers I don't really understand the appeal of Final Scratch (other than 24 bit file support) when SSL works great and Rane is known for their awesome customer support. Doesn't it make sense to bet on the winning horse? I have a 17in Powerbook and SSL. It works awesome!

+1

Im not even sure if final scratch can actually play 24/96 files. It sounds like it could be a little fishy, like some of the "24/96" soundblasters that can only do 16/48 but have DSPs that are "capable" of doing 24/96. Ie, sb extigy, audigy.

Plus, most audio files you'll use are 16/44 anyway, so there's almost no need for the higher bitrate and samplerate.

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