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Posted by djRocket on Jan-10-2005 01:31:

ok different types of trance

I know that there are different subgenres to trance (ie psy trance). However I have no idea what they sound like and/or how they differ from just trance. Could someone please list the subgenres of trance and two or three songs from that subgenre? That would be cool thanks

Posted by josh rising on Jan-10-2005 01:32:

Here, I'll take euro trance.

EURO TRANCE
Orion Too - Hope And Wait
Breeze & Styles - Chemical Love
Kira - I`ll Be Your Angel

Posted by R.j. on Jan-10-2005 01:39:

Psytrance:
Psycraft - Top Gun
Chiad - Zero burner

Progressive:
Rhythm Unlimited - Reflections (Flash Brothers Remix)
The MFA - 2 Billion Year Journey
Pig & Dan - The Basement

Posted by Cobalt on Jan-10-2005 01:59:

Goddamn, I really need to finish the guide I've been working on.

Expect February right now, I think.

As for the original post, use the search function. You'll find many threads on the subject. Or reference Ishkur.

Posted by Cobalt on Jan-10-2005 02:01:

quote:
Originally posted by R.j.
Progressive:
Rhythm Unlimited - Reflections (Flash Brothers Remix)
The MFA - 2 Billion Year Journey
Pig & Dan - The Basement

Not to be confused with Progressive Trance, which is (mostly) a genre to itself separate from Progressive (House).

Posted by Ti0 on Jan-10-2005 02:29:

According to these differences, in what subgenre would you set Markus Schulz Mixes made on the GDJB ?

Posted by Cobalt on Jan-10-2005 02:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Ti0
According to these differences, in what subgenre would you set Markus Schulz Mixes made on the GDJB ?

An accessible and marketable offshoot of progressive house, variously called American Progressive, Miami Progressive, or McProg.

Posted by Ti0 on Jan-10-2005 02:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Cobalt
An accessible and marketable offshoot of progressive house, variously called American Progressive, Miami Progressive, or McProg.

thx m8! I was a little time considering GDJB to be trance music, but i realised that it was way too different music than the one played in ASOT, which i consider to be trance.

Posted by Cobalt on Jan-10-2005 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Ti0
thx m8! I was a little time considering GDJB to be trance music, but i realised that it was way too different music than the one played in ASOT, which i consider to be trance.

American Prog has some weird similarities to Armin-style epic trance, so you're not entirely wrong at relating the two. American Prog is essentially house-based, but has twinkly, flighty melodies of 32+ bars like epic.

Keep in mind that epic trance on ASOT is only one subgenre of the entire trance genre, just a very popular and well-marketed one.

Posted by Ti0 on Jan-10-2005 02:54:

Ok, nice point up ! I see you know a lot of this ! Thx again !

Posted by Snooper on Jan-10-2005 02:57:

quote:
Originally posted by tieann
Here, I'll take euro trance.

EURO TRANCE
Orion Too - Hope And Wait
Breeze & Styles - Chemical Love
Kira - I`ll Be Your Angel

I wouldn't call that euro-trance, more like euro-dance or just pop-dance. I wouldn't say that Euro-trance is a subgenre within trance, it's what psy people usually call what we would define as "regular trance" in opposition to psy or goa-trance. Armin van Buuren and John 00 Fleming is good examples of euro-trance artists in the true meaning of the term.

Psy-trance:

The Muses Rapt - Spiritual Healing
Cosmosis - Spores From Space
Green Nuns Of The Revolution - Conflict

Goa trance:

Hallucinogen - LSD
Subcouds - On Red
Blue Planet Corporation - Overbloody Flood

Although there are many subgenres within these too of course. Actually, I think it would be more fair to say that psy/goa is a genre of it's own than a sub-genre of trance....

Posted by AlphaStarred on Jan-10-2005 03:02:

quote:
Originally posted by Snooper
I wouldn't call that euro-trance, more like euro-dance or just pop-dance. Euro-trance is not a subgenre within trance, it is what psy people usually call what we would define as "regular trance" in opposition to psy or goa-trance. Armin van Buuren and John 00 Fleming is good examples of euro-trance artists in the true meaning of the term.

hehe..unfortunately that's likewise become with J00f, though some of his sets he plays some wicked trance, prog-psy, whilst in his older sets and compilations he includes some wicked prog. house, prog. trance imo..

Posted by Snooper on Jan-10-2005 03:12:

quote:
Originally posted by AlphaStarred
hehe..unfortunately that's likewise become with J00f, though some of his sets he plays some wicked trance, prog-psy, whilst in his older sets and compilations he includes some wicked prog. house, prog. trance imo..

Yeah, J00F includes some psy in his sets sometimes, but he's mostly known for "regular trance", and that's why the psy-heads were so upset when an "euro-trance-artist" like him did a remix of the goa classic Mahadeva....

Posted by Cobalt on Jan-10-2005 03:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Snooper
I wouldn't call that euro-trance, more like euro-dance or just pop-dance. I wouldn't say that Euro-trance is a subgenre within trance, it's what psy people usually call what we would define as "regular trance" in opposition to psy or goa-trance. Armin van Buuren and John 00 Fleming is good examples of euro-trance artists in the true meaning of the term.

"Eurotrance" does not simply mean trance from Europe. Armin is epic and Dutch trance. JOOF is progressive trance with some psy (maybe even progressive psy, if you want to go out on a limb).

I would define "Eurotrance" as Lasgo, Flip & Fill, DJ Sammy, etc. Basically eurodance mashed with blaring epic lines and saccharine vocals.

Posted by DjArTiN! on Jan-10-2005 03:30:

Is Yahel considered Psy-Trance or Goa-Trance?

Posted by AlphaStarred on Jan-10-2005 03:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Cobalt
JOOF is progressive trance with some psy (maybe even progressive psy, if you want to go out on a limb).

very seldom nowadays...he's wont to play mostly full-on psy along with some trance in his sets and the cd for Imag of late..

Posted by Cobalt on Jan-10-2005 03:54:

quote:
Originally posted by AlphaStarred
very seldom nowadays...he's wont to play mostly full-on psy along with some trance in his sets and the cd for Imag of late..

No, actually I agree. I thought that after posting. His style is much more energetic and psy-influenced than is used to be. Which I find rather nice, actually.

Posted by starglider on Jan-10-2005 04:21:

quote:
Originally posted by DjArTiN!
Is Yahel considered Psy-Trance or Goa-Trance?

Ugh, the psytrance versus goa trance issue is awful, but Yahel is really not either, for the most part. Some of his stuff could qualify as "morning trance" but most of it is not really psychedelic at all.

Posted by Laughingfennec on Jan-10-2005 11:16:

Yahel is not psytrance, some of his tracks could be heard as a bit goa trance...

by the way The muses rapt - Spiritual healing is not psytrance but more trance with some goa elements, same for Yahel.

Goa trance:

Chi-AD - Anno Domini
Hallucinogen - LSD
Total eclipse - Waiting for a new life
Chi-AD - Eye am the I
Etnica - Trip tonite
Etnica - Vimana

Psychedelic trance:

Dark nebula - Dark nectar
Battle of the future Buddhas - Neuroglider
Logic bomb - Halojaner
Toi doi - Replicant

In short psytrance is less melodic and much more twisted. Some Halluciniogen tracks are a mix between goa and psy. All the sound you can listen to nowaydays is psytrance, goa trance does'nt exist anymore.

Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-10-2005 11:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Snooper
Yeah, J00F includes some psy in his sets sometimes, but he's mostly known for "regular trance", and that's why the psy-heads were so upset when an "euro-trance-artist" like him did a remix of the goa classic Mahadeva....

yeah and the funny thing is that when Astral Projection released their latest album Ten with new remixes of their old classics even the most conservative psydudes realized that J00Fs remix of Mahadeva was far better than any other remakes

Posted by Laughingfennec on Jan-10-2005 11:28:

quote:
Originally posted by RebeL9
yeah and the funny thing is that when Astral Projection released their latest album Ten with new remixes of their old classics even the most conservative psydudes realized that J00Fs remix of Mahadeva was far better than any other remakes

lol you mean the remix of Mahadeva is better than the remixes of Nilaya, Power gen...sure those remixes ruined the original tracks, compared with them the remix of Mahadeva is quite good indeed (impossible to make better than the original though)

Posted by RebeL9 on Jan-10-2005 11:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Laughingfennec
lol you mean the remix of Mahadeva is better than the remixes of Nilaya, Power gen...sure those remixes ruined the original tracks, compared with them the remix of Mahadeva is quite good indeed (impossible to make better than the original though)

yeah exactly. most of the new remixes were plain boring israfullon with no heart at all. but Mahadeva was indeed powerful. I bet J00F won quite a big victory there

Posted by Cloudburst on Jan-10-2005 11:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Laughingfennec
Yahel is not psytrance, some of his tracks could be heard as a bit goa trance...

by the way The muses rapt - Spiritual healing is not psytrance but more trance with some goa elements, same for Yahel.

Goa trance:

Chi-AD - Anno Domini
Hallucinogen - LSD
Total eclipse - Waiting for a new life
Chi-AD - Eye am the I
Etnica - Trip tonite
Etnica - Vimana

Psychedelic trance:

Dark nebula - Dark nectar
Battle of the future Buddhas - Neuroglider
Logic bomb - Halojaner
Toi doi - Replicant

In short psytrance is less melodic and much more twisted. Some Halluciniogen tracks are a mix between goa and psy. All the sound you can listen to nowaydays is psytrance, goa trance does'nt exist anymore.

I still think artists like Astral and Astrix are Goa and artists like The Delta and X-Dream are Psy.

Posted by mety333 on Jan-10-2005 11:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Cobalt
Or reference Ishkur.

I wouldn't do that if I were you