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Napster deal means end of free music
By summer you'll be forced to pay fees to download tunes Shane McCune The Province; with News Services

National Post / Joshua Wasserman uses Napster to download music into his home computer over the Internet.

Time is running out for free music from Napster.

Starting in June or July, you'll have to "upload" a subscription fee before you can download music from the popular website.

"We carried out market research among 20,000 Napster users. The willingness to pay is given," Bertelsmann AG chairman Thomas Middelhoff said yesterday.

The German media company owns BMG, which signed a $50-million deal with Napster to develop a fee-based system. In exchange, BMG dropped its copyright-infringement lawsuit against the Internet service last October.

So far the subscription service will offer only songs by BMG artists, but Napster is in talks to enlist other record companies, including Sony, EMI Group, Warner Music and Universal.

The announcement may please some music publishers and artists such as Metallica, who consider "free" downloads theft.

But it remains to be seen whether Napster users -- including 2.8 million Canadians, according to a recent survey -- will pay the still-undetermined subscription fee or simply switch to other free music sources, such as Gnutella, Scour, MP3.com, Aimster and news groups.

Kevin Kane, co-frontman of Vancouver's Grapes of Wrath, believes Napster should offer two zones -- free and fee.

"If you want to download songs off the new Grapes of Wrath record, maybe there would be two songs available in the free zone and the rest in the paid zone," said Kane, an avid Napster user.

Even members of The Tragically Hip -- whose latest disc, Music@Work, was leaked on the Internet before its official release -- are not keen on Napster's plan.

"To clip the wings of the free interchange of creative and musical ideas over the Web is not a positive thing," said bassist Gord Sinclair.

Hugh Roberts, music department manager at A&B Sound in downtown Vancouver, said it's impossible to determine Napster's role in the recent slump in North American CD sales, let alone the consequences of the subscription scheme.

"I don't think it's Napster that's doing anything horrible to music," he said yesterday. "It's just been a lousy couple of years for music."

Jack Schuller is president of Vancouver's Festival Distribution, a small independent specializing in folk and roots music. He said free downloads haven't hurt his artists that much, and subscription fees aren't likely to help them.

"The music that we distribute is more album-oriented," so fans aren't as likely to download single songs, he said. But he added that the people hurt most by digital pirating -- small-time songwriters who depend on royalties from CD sales -- probably won't benefit from Napster revenues as much as big stars like Bryan Adams.

"The Other Issue Is . . . People Getting the Idea That Intellectual Property Has No Value," Schuller Said. "That Is the Core of the Thing That Makes Me Uncomfortable With Napster."

I have to say that really sucks

dont worry Scour will be back out by then
http://www.scour.com

yeah i know that would suck. especially since they would probably only have BMG music in there and i don't think they include trance. so no more live sets and such to download. i hope scour will be back soon with no fees attached.

You guys are all forgetting one thing....Napigator and open nap servers which are not controlled by napster...hopefully these guys won't threaten(yeah right) these independent servers with litigation..but i'm sure the open nap servers and all the independent napster servers will be up and running we're just gonna have to use napigator...

I would not advise upgrading to any further releases of the napster client..


Mizzzz

No don't upgrade, and honestly I really couldn't care less if napster disappeared off the face of the earth today. There will ALWAYS we another way to work around napster. I rarely use it now. One word - Hotline. peez.

hey biz u might want to try a program called bearshare..i know it sounds lame but it was built on the gnutella client..and it actually works very well...

Mizzz

found this over at the winamp forums

quote:

Originally posted by a-arse I was on napster today and this was said by a 'napster representive': There is going to be a Napster online store. You can d/l entire albums by subscription basis. The ability to share amongst one another will not change. You will pay a subscription amount if you want the added fuctionality of getting licensed software from our distributers.

My conjecture is the untold part is probably:
Napster isn't responsible for enforcing copyright issues. If the copyright holder wants to stop the user from trading the content, they complain to Napster and the user gets banned.

The fact remains that programs like MediaEnforcer that are used to collect the information for banning users are bots prohibited by the Napster TOS.

The list of artists whose tunes will get you banned will probably grow much larger.

Artists who use services like copyright.net seem to hide from the ire of banned users and a boycott of their songs by using a third party to do the dirty work of the banning.

This new tactic may help shield the artist from boycott and fan ire, but sustains the objectionable trade of the artists material by hiding this objection from the Napster Community.

Again, just my opinion.

hircos...

um what ? ok you lost me after about the first line. Anyway i just think that the whole charging a subscription fee is fucked up, i can understand it, but theres ways around it i'm sure. p.s. why are people suggesting to not get new versions of napster ?

Peace

i guess if we had newer versions of napster they can easily stop us from sharing/downloading music with their program if we don't pay.

New versions of the software might have certain functions programmed in to limit your connections to servers or other stuff.. I'm not sure if any of those OpenNap programs use any of the napster libraries to access anything but that may be one factor too..

...I rarely ever upgrade a version of something unless there's a feature in it that makes it worthwhile.... I'm still running a version of mIRC that's 3 years old, an ICQ from 1999 and a text file viewer from 1994

ICQ is classic of how software becomes bloatware -- keep on adding tons of useless, crappy features and in the end reducing functionality and making the overall product a friggin memory hog.

...There are pros & cons to Napster becoming subscription-based... I won't sign up because I know the content on there will be 99% crap - none of the stuff most of us want...

well the opennap server software is based on the napster protocol but it also has links with the irc server software too.
the people who made opennap have said they arnt sure how napster link there servers they've tried running various programs and its still a mystery.
to run your own napster server its one of the easiest things to do i can reinstall mine in less than 15 mins you dont need a static ip or anything just patience it can begood and it can be crap but aint everything in life.
napster are struggling to keep there user database especially at there forums because theres been a few pleas from them to us on a diff. forum asking what it would take to get people back.
1 thing napster has to remember like the music industry the fans or users will say when it should end. respect the users, they will get more dont give a shit and neither will there users

as long as Swamp keeps this site free, i dont care

Napster wasnt ideal anyway eversince it didnt support resuming anymore & with my conn, i really needed that...

I wish i could say that i don't upgrade my software regularly, but when you're an IT manager u have to keep everything current on servers and workstations because ultimately they work out various bugs and functionality issues, now when it comes to napster, it seems to me the added functionality is actually to implement their future plans without letting users know...in other words shady...


Mizzz

Re: hircos...

quote:

Originally posted by agi um what ? ok you lost me after about the first line. Anyway i just think that the whole charging a subscription fee is fucked up, i can understand it, but theres ways around it i'm sure. p.s. why are people suggesting to not get new versions of napster ?

the reason why you shouldnt upgrade to any version higher than beta 7 is pretty simple napster use a trojan backdoor on your computer they always have well since about beta 5, its the auto upgrade bit any program that can start auto upgrading is a trojan, you dont have a choice if they start it, and although some people say you can still use napigator to connect to opennap servers with the newer versions, it is virtually impossible.
from beta 8 onwards napster install on your comp 2 files,
one called vmp3.nvm and the other vwma.nvm these are like copyright files making napster totally in the clear if you get caught for sharing copyrighted files, it wont or its hard to down grade without these files.

and like Gek says people like swamper etc. having these kind of sites then good music will still be available.

At first I thought they were just going to charge u like once a month and u'd be able to download all the songs still. But then I heard that only certain labels were gonna put their artists songs on there and now it completly sucks. Hopefully alot of trance artists are cool with the idea of MP3s, because w/o trance on Napster it's gonna suck big time.

i sure hope they do, cuz else, theyd be only in the game for the money, and that sux!!

music shouldnt be made for money, but because its good!!

Geez I got no tech knowledge what so ever so I didn't understand some of the posts but about napster, it sux what's gonna happen!!! I dun think I'd want anything from BMG or the other crappy labels out there...

There should be a napster just for electronic music, if all the good labels came together and if we did have to pay a fair and reasonable and low price, it would be win-win for both the peepz who listen to music and for the ones who make it (we end up paying too much for cds and the stores anyhow, it should end up cheaper if we could have just the music)... anyways it's gonna suck when napster goes down, that's when us tranceaddicts really gotta stick together...

latez...

napster wont go at this moment you have 351 active servers online now and only maybe 80 of those are napsters

question

Do people here actually get MOST of their trance from napster? cause i certainly don't. i couldnt tell you how many times nobody on napster has had stuff i am looking for. i only use napster to get popular music - and in response to the comment about an electronic music napster, that wouldn't be all that much better, cause then it would just be commercial pop trance or whatever, a lot of good that would do us. i suggest everyone concerned with this look into these:
hotline, gnutella, aimster, and of course our reliable tranceaddict.com, cause napster is done, and it has been for awhile now. peace.

Beta 8 sucks!!

I could care less about paying a fee as long as I still got the music I'm getting now. You can't just walk into any music store and get the trance that we talk about on this forum. It's not about the money with me, it's about the music that I wouldn't have access to anymore.

Also, Napster 2.0 Beta 8 sucks!!! I upgraded from Beta 7 and I wish I hadn't. It always messes up the sound on my comp and the internal player is fucked up too. Is there any way that I can 'down'grade back to Beta 7??

I agree with kristineclub, I wouldn't mind paying as long as it's for good music... napster started off with commercial stuff but now has lots of what I look for.. maybe I listen to all commercial who knows!!! Whatever tho, I think that it maybe hard to find a good solution but it's worth trying...

latez...

Well time for me to add my $.02 if anyone cares

I don't give a rats ass what happens to napster or any other file sharing mediums for that matter... right now is a big transitional period, and the outcome won't depend on which point-to-point sharing software we can or do use. Even if napster, audiogalaxy, scour (once its up again), gnutella, etc all were shut down, we could still go back to good old FTP and IRC I'm just gonna sit back and watch until we have a plan that makes (most) artists and music listeners happy. Note that making record companies happy isnt that important :P But nonetheless I'm sure their unpleasantness will stick around for some time.

I don't have a problem with paying for music, despite the fact that I haven't paid for 90% of what I have on my hd and on cd In fact, I think my music-buying-karma will be realigned once I get tables and start buying expensive vinyl :P What I do have a problem with is paying $14 to a record company and $1 to an artist when buying a cd. So when napster becomes subscription based, I highly doubt I'll pay, and if I do, only when I KNOW artists are getting at least a 50% or so cut.

BTW check out http://www.everything2.org/index.pl...tnode_id=456282... something called the street performers protocol, good idea IMHO.

audiogalaxy / satelite

Fuck napster here comes audiogalaxy

Audiogalaxy Satellite is a real-time transaction-based file-sharing system for MP3 users. This program uses a Web-based interface to let users search for artists, tracks, and albums and download the tracks onto their hard drives. The client program is small and simple, designed for minimal CPU and memory resources. Satellite automatically selects the closest user with the file you want, reducing external bandwidth usage. Files currently offline can also be selected for download, and once somebody who has the file comes online, your transfer will begin. If your download is interrupted, the Satellite Auto-Resume function will find an alternate users with the same file and complete the download.


You know what this all means!! NO more transfer errors!! W000TAGE!! thats fckng amazing ive been using this program for like a month now and i think its almost as good as napster. But in the future when we have to pay for napster and the limited amount of mp3s....Audiogalaxy will be better!!

Also a very good thing besides no more transfer errors is that there are soooo many users! its unbelievable.

check it out.... http://www.audiogalaxy.com
its kinda hard to start.... but eventually it will kick your ass!!!!


Have fun now :-)

Audiogalaxy is good... but not perfect. The website seems to be down alot, and incomplete files are still a problem if only 1 or 2 copies exist on the network. Because if those people log off, yer screwed :P Also, I usually have better luck finding rarer songs on napster... but I admit audiogalaxy can't be beat for downloading popular songs that 100 users have, auto-resume is a good thing

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