Sgro Out... Martin Liberal Government = same old cronies

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Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-16-2005 16:01:

Sgro Out... Martin Liberal Government = same old cronies

IS anyone convinced yet that the Paul Martin government isnt any better than Chretien was?

Will we finally see some change when the next election is called?

I hope so

Posted by Fir3start3r on Jan-16-2005 17:56:

Well....Klein seems to know what he's doing at least...
(For those that don't know, Ralph Klein is the Premier of the Province of Alberta that has an $8 Billion dollar surplus in his coffers)

Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-16-2005 17:56:

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Well....Klein seems to know what he's doing at least...

i wish we could elect him as PM.

Seriously. Here is a guy with vision and the balls to act.

Posted by Fir3start3r on Jan-16-2005 17:59:

I should have frickin' moved to Calgary when I was going to...

Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-17-2005 00:41:

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r
(For those that don't know, Ralph Klein is the Premier of the Province of Alberta that has an $8 Billion dollar surplus in his coffers)

isnt that because of all the oil tho? how much has he done for that?

Posted by zig on Jan-17-2005 01:04:

How did he manage an 8 billion surplus?...it seems amazing in any western currency..just cutbacks or more efficiencies...or oil as St_Andrew mentioned......?

Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-17-2005 01:41:

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Originally posted by St_Andrew
isnt that because of all the oil tho? how much has he done for that?

Oil or not it doesnt matter since Ontario has a huge manufacturing and finance sector with even higher paying jobs. Ontario has an even stronger revenue base but the socialists seem to piss it all away on stupid pet projects and waste.

Posted by St_Andrew on Jan-17-2005 04:49:

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Originally posted by Jayx1
Oil or not it doesnt matter since Ontario has a huge manufacturing and finance sector with even higher paying jobs. Ontario has an even stronger revenue base but the socialists seem to piss it all away on stupid pet projects and waste.

well i would agree that ontario doesnt have the best government of the world... but 8 billion dollar surplus out of nothing more than what ontario has, well then that guy is a fucking genius or he is just a dumbass who has way to much incomes and too few expensives?

Posted by zig on Jan-17-2005 04:55:

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Originally posted by zig
How did he manage an 8 billion surplus?...it seems amazing in any western currency..just cutbacks or more efficiencies...or oil as St_Andrew mentioned......?

mmmm ?

Posted by Dj Tomer on Jan-17-2005 05:39:

I still remember when Klein came to my school in grade 9, and we had some ceramony type thing in the gym. He spent the whole time staring at the presenter girl's rack (which was quite huge). Then there was the time he went to a homeless shelter and got in a fight with a few homeless people.

I'm pretty sure you'd have to have a pretty bad premier to not make money in Alberta. Not saying he's doing a bad job or anything, but he doesn't deserve too much credit for our surplus.

Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-17-2005 06:03:

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Originally posted by St_Andrew
well i would agree that ontario doesnt have the best government of the world... but 8 billion dollar surplus out of nothing more than what ontario has, well then that guy is a fucking genius or he is just a dumbass who has way to much incomes and too few expensives?

It means that they have brought the spending under control and now they have money to spend on social services. Klein has announced billions in new health care spending for one. And hes about to reform the way health care is given in Alberta. Because the way it works in Canada now DOESNT WORK.

Ontario's government is beyond crappy. Here is a bunch of cronies with no vision other than stupid rules to force people to wear bike helmets and raise health taxes while cutting health services. At least when the Ontario tories had to make cuts they were superficial and at least when they cut they also cut taxes, not raised them.

Posted by malek on Jan-17-2005 20:30:

are you kidding me?? Alberta sole success is riding on high oil prices and the agreement they got with Ottawa to keep 100% of Oil revenus!

You need to be really stupid not to accumulate surpluses with the current oil prices... of course he's not stupid, but he hasn't done anything special, he's just riding the wave... and that success will be temporary to either oil prices crashing (not happening) or depletion of the resources (will happen).

Just look at Norway, another small country (almost the same population as Alberta) is riding the high oil prices wave, its 2005 budget has a 15 billion Euro surplus. But instead of lowering the taxes like Mr. Klein, the govt is puting that money into retirement funds to bonify the people's pension plans!

P.S.: excluding oil revenus for Norway, brings the budget to a 8.1 billion Euros defecit.

Posted by Fir3start3r on Jan-17-2005 23:42:

There's no denying Alberta's natural resources are a good reason for their success.
But didn't Klien cut taxes even before oil turned to gold?

Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-18-2005 04:39:

you have to think how badly the ontario liberals would squander any sort of bonus revenues. I bet they would still raise taxes and put the excess money into some sort of slush fund to buy votes.

Posted by malek on Jan-18-2005 14:50:

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Originally posted by Jayx1
you have to think how badly the ontario liberals would squander any sort of bonus revenues. I bet they would still raise taxes and put the excess money into some sort of slush fund to buy votes.

as if the conservatives did any better... they cut so much into the "meat" of the programs. One result of this is that you guys have way more homeless people in Toronto, even though its the richest city in Canada.

Posted by Jayx1 on Jan-18-2005 20:25:

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Originally posted by malek
as if the conservatives did any better... they cut so much into the "meat" of the programs. One result of this is that you guys have way more homeless people in Toronto, even though its the richest city in Canada.

the homeless problem has nothing to do with the province. Did you know that the city of Toronto spends almost $30 G per year PER HOMELESS PERSON to keep them on the streets? Now tell me thats solving the problem!

The homeless problem is due to the charter of rights and freedoms which recinded the vagrancy law and thus allows the crazy people to roam the streets because its their "right" to do so.

Also we seem to be a magnet for all the disfuntional people in society. Why does Toronto have more homeless than say Winnepeg or Calgary? Because all of your homeless have migrated here.

the majority of homeless in Toronto are not poor in the true sense of the word. They are homeless because they either do not have the mental capacity to operate in society, have some sort of substance abuse, or are escaping an abuse situation.