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Posted by fbgdavidson on Jan-17-2005 20:19:

Dunno Difference between a mix, a remix, a dub, a re-work, a remake, and edit etc

I'm no music producer, are they all much of the same?

A re-work I would have guessed is taking something like Viton & Stel - Wooden Swordz and doing what Nikola Gala did.....although that was a remix. Is say Eric Prydz - Call On Me a remake?

An edit I presume is a shortening, as edit would suggest and a little production associated with it.....

The others just confuse me a touch


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-17-2005 20:24:

"Mix" is just another word for "version". A remix is a version of the track by another artist, essentially the same track but produced by another artist. A dub is a track with the higher frequencies removed. A re-work is the same production but re-arranged as a general rule. A remake is a track totally remade, this can be in the form of a remix, a new mix by the original producer or a cover version by a different artist. An edit is simply a different length of a mix to it's original version. Done.


Posted by Ory on Jan-17-2005 20:28:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
"Mix" is just another word for "version". A remix is a version of the track by another artist, essentially the same track but produced by another artist. A dub is a track with the higher frequencies removed. A re-work is the same production but re-arranged as a general rule. A remake is a track totally remade, this can be in the form of a remix, a new mix by the original producer or a cover version by a different artist. An edit is simply a different length of a mix to it's original version. Done.


Sometimes artists remix their own tracks. Sander van Doorn, for one. Also, in most cases, mix = remix.


Posted by n0bben on Jan-17-2005 20:33:

hm

usually, a mix is done by the same producer who did the track, and a remix is by another producer. not always, though, and i have no clue why.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-17-2005 20:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
Sometimes artists remix their own tracks. Sander van Doorn, for one. Also, in most cases, mix = remix.


Yes, but these are usually just mixes, as producers give them names to avoid confusion. In the rare cases otherwise, just take Remix without a specific producer to be an alternative version by the producer.


Posted by Ory on Jan-17-2005 20:35:

quote:
Originally posted by n0bben
hm

usually, a mix is done by the same producer who did the track, and a remix is by another producer. not always, though, and i have no clue why.


Meh. Sometimes it's printed "mix", sometimes "remix".


Posted by Sunsnail on Jan-17-2005 20:38:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
"Mix" is just another word for "version". A remix is a version of the track by another artist, essentially the same track but produced by another artist. A dub is a track with the higher frequencies removed. A re-work is the same production but re-arranged as a general rule. A remake is a track totally remade, this can be in the form of a remix, a new mix by the original producer or a cover version by a different artist. An edit is simply a different length of a mix to it's original version. Done.


thank-you


Posted by Subtle on Jan-17-2005 20:47:

fucking hate the words remake and re-work.. artist trying to sound original in there names using these ridicolus name on a track..

Dub = vocals removed or significant lead sounds stripped down or removed..

Mix = should only be used in similarity of this: "Armin van Buuren`s Rising Star Mix" or "Lemon 8 Inner Sanctuary Mix) for example..

Remix is a track produced by someone else or re-produced by the named artist..a re-work and remake is excactly the same as a remix..

edit it is a kind of "light remix".. where the artist cant take as much credit of the production as calling it their own production..


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jan-17-2005 20:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
Dub = vocals removed or significant lead sounds stripped down or removed..


It's higher frequencies. Why do people always insist on some abstract definition of this? A dub is a track with no high notes or pitches left in it. Simple as.


Posted by dj_lane on Jan-17-2005 21:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
Remix is a track produced by someone else or re-produced by the named artist..a re-work and remake is excactly the same as a remix..


Ummm... a re-work isnt the same as a remix

the line goes down like this

Remix/Mix > Rework/Remake > Re-Edit > Edit > Reconstruction > Original


It all depends on the level of change or new additions/interpretations done to the track, for instance,

To reconstruct would be to only change a little bit, whereas a Remix is a total complete structure change, but using original themes

I suppose it goes by opinion


Posted by swisstoni_uk on Jan-17-2005 21:11:

Is that including vocals? a significant amount of dubs have vocals removed, your definition doesnt mention vocals unless your including this under "no high notes or pitches"


Posted by Floorfiller on Jan-17-2005 21:16:

pretty much you can just say whatever you want...you can make...

Tiesto - Suburban Train (Floorfiller's Remaked Redited Remixed Original Version Re-Take Superfantastico Ultra Dub)

if you wanted...


Posted by Ory on Jan-17-2005 21:17:

quote:
Originally posted by swisstoni_uk
Is that including vocals? a significant amount of dubs have vocals removed, your definition doesnt mention vocals unless your including this under "no high notes or pitches"


Vocals = usually high frequencies.


Posted by RIPassion on Jan-17-2005 21:20:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
It's higher frequencies. Why do people always insist on some abstract definition of this? A dub is a track with no high notes or pitches left in it. Simple as.


Great job trying to formulize, but the word only holds true to the definitions people give it. Last time I checked, the rank 1's dub of symsonic had higher frequencies than the original.


Posted by Nsonic on Jan-17-2005 21:21:

i thought a remix was a production by another artist using samples from the original

remake = cover?
rework would be a rearrangement?

an edit is usually done for songs that need to be shortened for radio or a video (radio edit, video edit)
but im pretty sure ive seen [video dub] somewhere

and theres also
-extended version
-album version/edit

whats a re-rub?


oh, and speccfically,
whats the difference between a
-main mix
-club mix/edit
-vocal edit
-original mix/version

i see those a lot, so theres gotta be a definition for each.
original, obviously the original
vocal, added vocals?
club, less vocals, more continuous beat?
...

oh, and sme artists go under an alias to make songs then remix it using their original name
e.g
Saltwater - The Legacy (Alphazone remix)
saltwater and alphazone are the same people
..fancy bastards



EDIT> wtf... 4 posts while i typed that


Posted by Adee on Jan-17-2005 21:51:

randy katana - in silence (txitxarro mix) - anohter example of remix by the same artist *another case of mix=remix*. I think they love the alias part, trance has the most alias`d artists in the hole edm.


Posted by woscar on Jan-17-2005 22:14:

Dub

I thought a dub was a song without vocals.


Posted by Cobalt on Jan-17-2005 22:36:

A dub has two overlapping definitions. The first is a partial or total removal of vocals from a vocal original, the second is a deeper take on the original which, yes, usually has higher frequencies stripped away.

A track that lacks vocals of the original, with no other differences, can be properly called either an instrumental or a dub, though the former is more appropriate. A remix or mix of a track that focuses on a lower, deeper sound is also a dub. But what you will never, ever find, though, is a dub with more vocals than the original.


Posted by Icesotope on Jan-18-2005 14:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Subtle
fucking hate the words remake and re-work.. artist trying to sound original in there names using these ridicolus name on a track..



Same goes to reconstruction.


I don't like Bootlegs and Whitelabels too


Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jan-18-2005 16:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Ory
Meh. Sometimes it's printed "mix", sometimes "remix".


same thing


Posted by woscar on Jan-18-2005 16:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Icesotope
Same goes to reconstruction.


I don't like Bootlegs and Whitelabels too


What are those? I've heard them several times before but I don't knw what they are.


Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jan-18-2005 16:47:

as far as im concerned a dub is a mix without vocals.. not a mix without high freuqnecies :S

remake, usually a modernised and completely reproduced version of a track. basically a remix but usually using no original audio parts (although often they probably do..)

edit: anything that involves changing the structure of a track to suit different needs, be it chopping the track up in an audio sequencer, or shuffling it all about as midi. basically same sounds, different structure.

re-work, i would say this is a producers attempt to make a better version of another producers track without changing the style too much. for example, luana, is f&ps rework of my original track, entangler! its pretty much the same style and similar sounds, just much better quality and a nicer structure.

like i said as far as im concerned a mix and remix mean the same thing, i dont know if they actually do or not but if so, i dont think anyone really knows what the difference is lol. ive been calling my remixes of tracks "mixes" and visa versa?!?!

so ... thats what i think!


to be honest it doesnt really matter! lol they are all pretty much the same thing


Posted by Mike_Foyle on Jan-18-2005 16:53:

quote:
Originally posted by woscar99
What are those? I've heard them several times before but I don't knw what they are.


a bootleg is an unliscenced remix or mashup. a whitelabel is the name given to a limited-edition, test, or promotional CD or Vinyl (usaully with a white label on it!)


Posted by Adee on Jan-18-2005 18:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
as far as im concerned a dub is a mix without vocals.. not a mix without high freuqnecies :S


nope your wrong take this example e-craig-the beat goes on (e-craig hard dub) it has vocals


Posted by beats and beeps on Jan-18-2005 19:40:

Edit, or Re-Edit means "look at me I can use hot cues."



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