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Posted by igottaknow on Jan-19-2005 22:42:

Another Condi screwup

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...venezuela_us_dc

"The U.S. government must respect Venezuela's sovereignty and stop meddling if it wants to improve ties with its fourth-largest oil supplier, Foreign Minister Ali Rodriguez said on Wednesday. Rodriguez was responding to comments by Secretary of State-designate Condoleezza Rice who on Tuesday at her Senate confirmation hearing criticized President Hugo Chavez for what she called his autocratic measures at home and his negative influence in the region."

She hasn't even been confirmed yet and she's already trying to dislodge her foot out of her mouth. What a dumb bitch. I guess we can look forward to more of her sensative 'diplomacy' in the state department.

Posted by Q5echo on Jan-19-2005 23:05:

was she not supposed to criticize Chavez's autocratic measures at home and his negative influence in the region?

if you think that makes her a "stupid bitch" it's going to be a long four years for you.

Posted by wolverine16 on Jan-19-2005 23:19:

Yeah, it's only that Chavez was the democratically elected President of Venezuela and the Bush administration voiced in public their praise of the attempted coup to overthrow him when they thought the ousting was a success. Hooray for bringing freedom & democracy to the world...unless democracy doesn't agree with our oil trade! Lets see what happens in Iraq with their democracy if they come to decisions that don't reflect our views.

P.S. Chavez was also approved elected by the people to continue as President after that whole fiasco.

Posted by igottaknow on Jan-19-2005 23:26:

Even if she had a legitmate beef any knucklehead knows you work through diplomatic channels instead of saying inflamitory retoric when you haven't even gotten the position. Cowboy diplomacy at its finest. Like wolverine said bush backing a coup of an elected leader. Why does the bush administration hate freedom and democracy? Loved how they stood up for the hatian president. lol ahhh but thats another story.

Posted by NYGblue on Jan-19-2005 23:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
was she not supposed to criticize Chavez's autocratic measures at home and his negative influence in the region?

if you think that makes her a "stupid bitch" it's going to be a long four years for you.

Well he is a populist leader. But like many, he is POPULAR. He may not be the US's best friend (nor is that his role as leader of his country) but he certainly has the support of his people and he knows it.

With that said he is a fucking moron and running that country into the ground. Sad really.

Posted by ResonantDrag on Jan-20-2005 00:08:

quote:
Originally posted by NYGblue
With that said he is a fucking moron and running that country into the ground. Sad really.

are we still talking about chavez?

Posted by zig on Jan-20-2005 00:14:

quote:
Originally posted by ResonantDrag
are we still talking about chavez?

Nice one.....LOL

Posted by Q5echo on Jan-20-2005 00:18:

all right, first off, unless i'm missing something, you guys are using the word "coup" way too liberally (no pun intended). if your talking about the "recall" in August, then you have to make a huge assumption that that vote was valid. just what exactly do you guys know that the State Department doesn't. that's not really important. what is important is that there are no restrictions between our country and theirs, aside from the secuirty restrictions common to all. criticisms on a scale like this from both sides is healthy.

and igottaknow, don't get all "holier than thou" about inflamatory rhetoric between world leaders.

Posted by igottaknow on Jan-20-2005 00:29:

quote:
Originally posted by ResonantDrag
are we still talking about chavez?

post of the day

Posted by Yoepus on Jan-20-2005 01:22:

Senate seems to disagree with your opinion on Rice:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...e/senate_rice_7

Posted by wolverine16 on Jan-20-2005 01:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
all right, first off, unless i'm missing something, you guys are using the word "coup" way too liberally (no pun intended). if your talking about the "recall" in August, then you have to make a huge assumption that that vote was valid. just what exactly do you guys know that the State Department doesn't. that's not really important. what is important is that there are no restrictions between our country and theirs, aside from the secuirty restrictions common to all. criticisms on a scale like this from both sides is healthy.

and igottaknow, don't get all "holier than thou" about inflamatory rhetoric between world leaders.

No, the recall was in 2004, which was part of the aftermath of the strike/coup. The events of the military coup were from April 11 - April 14, 2002 and also another one was foiled early on in October 2002. The strike was directly related to the oil industry and the Bush administraton backed it and then tried to retract statements after it was discovered it failed.

Posted by zig on Jan-20-2005 01:54:

quote:
Originally posted by wolverine16
No, the recall was in 2004, which was part of the aftermath of the strike/coup. The events of the military coup were from April 11 - April 14, 2002 and also another one was foiled early on in October 2002. The strike was directly related to the oil industry and the Bush administraton backed it and then tried to retract statements after it was discovered it failed.

Correct....

Posted by zig on Jan-20-2005 02:16:

Has anybody seen the movie...?

Chavez:Inside the coup...In other countries it known as...The revolution will not be televised...do a google on Chavez inside the coup..lots of info there.

Its a feature length documentary on the coup and has been shown all over the world and won many awards..its very similar to the documentary made by the 2 french guys about 9/11...the guys that made the Chavez documentary were making a different film about Chavez and then events overtook them..the coup happened..and its all on film..its probably the most amazing documentary i have ever seen..well worth checking out..even if you have to buy the dvd..

Posted by igottaknow on Jan-20-2005 02:24:

If I was interviewing Condi for the job here some questions I throw at her:

- Why are you on the record telling bold face lies?

- What sort of patriot refuses to give testimony to 9/11 commission and then stone walls their questions?

- Do you still believe 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States' pdb is a historical document?

- What does it say about your credibility caught lying on the record about what you said to the American people about WMDs?

- Considering the current state of Iraq would you consider it a success since you were put in charge of it?

- As National Security Advisor for the six months prior to 9/11 what did you do to defend our country from terrorist attacks?

- Why again do you think you deserve to be Secretary of State? Oh don't answer that I think I know. The president wants to install his faithful lap dog to do his bidding.

Gee I hope I didn't impugn your character. Not that i thought you had much of a character to 'impugn'.